The Philosophy Discussion Forum

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:06 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 4:55 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 4:51 pm
Are U attempting to answer for everybody, including LuckyR?

No, a question is different from an answer. I'm asking questions that I want real answers to.

But will you ever be satisfied with someone else’s answer, or just your own answer?

I'd certainly have the beginnings of satisfaction if someone even attempted to answer the question.

I'm not sure there's any real difference between what atto is saying and what luckyR is saying. I mean, is there an empirical test for this? If scientists could track neural processes on enough detail, would that neural process prove LuckyR right and atto wrong, or vice versa?

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:59 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:06 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 4:55 pm

No, a question is different from an answer. I'm asking questions that I want real answers to.

But will you ever be satisfied with someone else’s answer, or just your own answer?

I'd certainly have the beginnings of satisfaction if someone even attempted to answer the question.

I'm not sure there's any real difference between what atto is saying and what luckyR is saying. I mean, is there an empirical test for this? If scientists could track neural processes on enough detail, would that neural process prove LuckyR right and atto wrong, or vice versa?

They’re both right according to their respective definitions of what binary decision means to them individually.

Who’s the middle man who’s going to act as adjudicator ?

The differences are in the argument I guess. For example, I’m not personally arguing with atto about who is right or wrong about the definition of what the binary decision making definition means to each subjective person. I simply agree with atto that every decision we make is a binary decision. Except to say I’m not speaking for everyone. As in “WE”

I’m speaking only for myself of course, as an individuated part of the collective “WE”

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:51 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:48 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 7:59 am

Prey? Are U cursed?

So.

Provide a decision U can make that has no ultimate binary value, a yes or no to that decision.

I go to get ice cream from 31 Flavors. I use (as do most folks) a multistep process involving several decisions to make my selection. There are 31 possible options, my first decision (which happens to be non binary ie 1:31), is to consider what I usually select, pistachio. I next make the binary decision not to. Next I make a second non binary decision to consider strawberry (1:30), finally I make the binary decision to get a strawberry cone. Nowhere did I make 29 other binary decisions to NOT pick chocolate, vanilla, rocky road etc. Those never entered my consciousness.

Tomorrow I go to my kitchen (which has a quart of strawberry ice cream in the freezer). I only consider having a strawberry cone, which of course is a binary decision.

These two scenarios are not identical.

Your description of decision making, only yes vs no, applies to simple, single step decisions where the potential final outcome can be known in some detail at the time of the decision making.

OMG. Wot part of the OP stating the ULTIMATE decision is binary is too complicated for U such that U feel the need to blab n blab on here?

"finally I make the binary decision to get a strawberry cone."

Dude! What part of "Every decision we make is BINARY" is too complicated for you such that you play the move the goalposts fallacy?

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:36 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:48 am

I go to get ice cream from 31 Flavors. I use (as do most folks) a multistep process involving several decisions to make my selection. There are 31 possible options.

Which choice to choose from a myriad of options,would always demand a final choice, which would demand a final decision regardless of what the choices outcome is decided.

You are not making a decision when choosing. Choosing freeze frames reality, as choosing demands a thought process. The outcome of thought processing, concludes only as a final binary decision. Ultimately, decisions made, are seamlessly made, and are always binary. To stop and think about choices and choosing is to freeze frame the actual seamlessness of life’s infinite flow.

The mind can complicate the simple, or, it can simplify the complicated. The mind is either on or off, yes or no. Binary rules.

Sure, if you (conveniently) limit the definition of "decisions" to "ultimate" decisions, meaning the final yes vs no step in the often complex process that is human decision making, then of course, under those (in my opinion overly) simplistic criteria, all such decisions are indeed binary.

So according to you, the creation of Hamlet boils down to Shakespeare "deciding" should I publish this final draft?

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 7:14 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:51 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:48 am

I go to get ice cream from 31 Flavors. I use (as do most folks) a multistep process involving several decisions to make my selection. There are 31 possible options, my first decision (which happens to be non binary ie 1:31), is to consider what I usually select, pistachio. I next make the binary decision not to. Next I make a second non binary decision to consider strawberry (1:30), finally I make the binary decision to get a strawberry cone. Nowhere did I make 29 other binary decisions to NOT pick chocolate, vanilla, rocky road etc. Those never entered my consciousness.

Tomorrow I go to my kitchen (which has a quart of strawberry ice cream in the freezer). I only consider having a strawberry cone, which of course is a binary decision.

These two scenarios are not identical.

Your description of decision making, only yes vs no, applies to simple, single step decisions where the potential final outcome can be known in some detail at the time of the decision making.

OMG. Wot part of the OP stating the ULTIMATE decision is binary is too complicated for U such that U feel the need to blab n blab on here?

"finally I make the binary decision to get a strawberry cone."

Dude! What part of "Every decision we make is BINARY" is too complicated for you such that you play the move the goalposts fallacy?

I'm still waiting for you to provide a non-binary decision that you've made. Ya know ya can't.

PS. If I could move goalposts Saints would occasionally win a football game.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 12:42 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 11:17 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 2:18 am ..ultimately.

What's the difference? What would it mean for decisions to not be binary?

Same difference, a non binary decision doesn’t exist.

An action is singular, which is not two, and thus is non-binary. Action is the end of dithering. The dithering is not a decision. Action is the decision. Not knowing this simple fact of life is the result of mistaking words for reality. The mistake has led to words and thoughts being mistaken for decisions. Words and thoughts comprise the dithering. They are not decisions. Actions determine the decision. Words and thoughts may or may not correlate with the decision.

A recent example of this is President Zelensky of Ukraine. He went to Washington with the words that he would agree to working on a peace deal. Those were just words, ruminations, dithering and perhaps confused. His actions proved his decision to be otherwise than the words. His actions defined his decision, not the words he said. Maybe not even the thoughts he thought. All that stuff is binary. As with all decisions, his actions were his non-binary decision.

Those afflicted with TDS get all worked up over Trump's words, then ignore the worth of the real decisions that he makes, decisions defined by his actions.

A more simple example: You only really know what people have decided by their actions. The same goes for dogs.

Between the idea and the action lies the mischief. Cut down on the mischief to reveal the non-binary decision, which is action.

The moment of release of the arrow is a non-binary decision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA2Enem ... NGwLtrFMgb

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 11:01 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 7:14 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 8:51 am

OMG. Wot part of the OP stating the ULTIMATE decision is binary is too complicated for U such that U feel the need to blab n blab on here?

"finally I make the binary decision to get a strawberry cone."

Dude! What part of "Every decision we make is BINARY" is too complicated for you such that you play the move the goalposts fallacy?

I'm still waiting for you to provide a non-binary decision that you've made. Ya know ya can't.

PS. If I could move goalposts Saints would occasionally win a football game.

Read more carefully.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 11:01 pm

I'm still waiting for you to provide a non-binary decision that you've made. Ya know ya can't.

Lucky’s not into triangulation. That’s why he can’t.

“An action is singular, which is not two, and thus is non-binary.”

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I too, once used to believe the above nonsense, until I realised I could actually change my mind.

No action is singular. There is no such action as a singular action. It. Takes two to tango, no action, only Re-action.

A car engine never starts itself, a car is going nowhere without a driver.

All decisions are binary made decisions.

It’s no good attempting to speak about the hole of a doughnut without making it all about the doughnut.

Non Binary - The No Count Dracula

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 10:38 am

You can act all by yourself. The cause for action requires two, you and something else. The action itself requires one. For example, you most likely perform the actions of potty time all by yourself. A singular act is one you perform all by yourself, and that act is a decision made currently, or habitually starting sometime in the past. Based on this, as you can see the "nonsense you once believed" was something else rattling around in your noggin. Now you have the freedom to change your mind and get in alignment with the way things are in reality.

I’ve changed my mind. I now know God exists. I now know how to see God.

I’ve made the binary decision to know God exists. It’s a yes God a true God and a 1 God for me now.

I could have decided no, but I decided yes. To the existence of God.





The rest of the philosophical nonsense that comes out of W’s mouth on this subject is irrelevant, to me anyway, so prattle on, I’ve no idea what you are talking about and neither do I care.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:32 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 11:01 pm

I'm still waiting for you to provide a non-binary decision that you've made. Ya know ya can't.

Lucky’s not into triangulation. That’s why he can’t.

Your silence speaks volumes.

LuckyR wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 3:51 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 9:32 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 11:01 pm

I'm still waiting for you to provide a non-binary decision that you've made. Ya know ya can't.

Lucky’s not into triangulation. That’s why he can’t.

Your silence speaks volumes.

Yes, because I’ve never been able to speak nonconceptually.