my own reality is now in question

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Age
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Re: my own reality is now in question

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mack7963 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:47 pm
Age wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 10:41 pm
ONCE AGAIN, from the perspective at the atomic scale, or even from perspective at the sub-atomic scale, this size of a human body, STILL REMAINS ALWAYS AT up to less than 10 feet, ONLY.

Which means the so-called 'vast distance' that you speak of and are talking about, here, are, ACTUALLY, relatively NOTHING DISTANCES, compared to the Universe, or even the galaxy and the solar system, themselves.
so you're saying that at the atomic scale space has no meaning, explain.
WHY are 'you' TELLING 'me' what I am SAYING, but yet I have NO clue at all as to what you are even MEANING.

I have NEVER even REMOTELY SAID that 'the atomic scale space has no meaning'. And, in fact, I have NO CLUE NOR IDEA as to what 'that' even MEANS.
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Re: my own reality is now in question

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Age wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:53 pm
mack7963 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:47 pm
Age wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 10:41 pm
ONCE AGAIN, from the perspective at the atomic scale, or even from perspective at the sub-atomic scale, this size of a human body, STILL REMAINS ALWAYS AT up to less than 10 feet, ONLY.

Which means the so-called 'vast distance' that you speak of and are talking about, here, are, ACTUALLY, relatively NOTHING DISTANCES, compared to the Universe, or even the galaxy and the solar system, themselves.
so you're saying that at the atomic scale space has no meaning, explain.
WHY are 'you' TELLING 'me' what I am SAYING, but yet I have NO clue at all as to what you are even MEANING.

I have NEVER even REMOTELY SAID that 'the atomic scale space has no meaning'. And, in fact, I have NO CLUE NOR IDEA as to what 'that' even MEANS.
i think its maybe time to end our interaction, have a great day.
Age
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Re: my own reality is now in question

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mack7963 wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 3:15 am
Age wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:53 pm
mack7963 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:47 pm
so you're saying that at the atomic scale space has no meaning, explain.
WHY are 'you' TELLING 'me' what I am SAYING, but yet I have NO clue at all as to what you are even MEANING.

I have NEVER even REMOTELY SAID that 'the atomic scale space has no meaning'. And, in fact, I have NO CLUE NOR IDEA as to what 'that' even MEANS.
i think its maybe time to end our interaction, have a great day.
If that is what you think, then okay.
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Re: my own reality is now in question

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mack7963 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:42 am the other week i was thinking as to why we still rely on pixels for our computer displays, so i asked chat GPT why that is, its answer explained it fairly well and i was happy with that, then something chat GPT said popped back into my head, "light enters the eyes and those signals are sent to the brain which processes the image" so i asked Chat GPT "Does that mean that i don't see with my eyes"?, "yes" was the answer.
since then this realised thought has been constant and I'm not sure what to make of it, my entire life has been spent assuming that what i have seen was always through my eyes, now i am left wondering what i have been seeing my entire life, are all the people I've met real or just npc's i have placed in 'my' world, even the 'how do i know my entire history wasn't downloaded into my brain this morning, i hope someone can help me understand how to make sense of this.
Yes, what you see appears in your own mind.

It can be a trip to realise that because we are born and raised believing that the world we are seeing just is the world, not a surrogate impression within our own mind as matrix or substance or substrate.

You can only become aware of this if you aren’t constantly chasing things within that projected world. Chasing things in that projection naturally assumes those projections are real.

Your motivational systems have been hooked into that matrix, into that projection, and using them to drive your body, to guide it, because it can’t actually see the world outside. So it uses that projection as a standin, a map.

Now apply that same concept to your bodily sensations.

You think you are this body? Those are just sensations, projected in this mind. You aren’t the body, but your sense of self is projected into your body.


Look up the rubber hand illusion.
Your mind can project itself into objects without any neurological connection necessary.



Now, consider your speech. And by extension your thoughts.

Notice yourself thinking.

When you normally think, when you’re distracted (from what, you need to realise), it feels like you made those thoughts, you had those thoughts, you meant those thoughts. You project yourself as the thinker, the author of thoughts, the meaner of thoughts, the intender of thoughts.


But if you notice the thoughts as soon as they appear, who are you? Are you the thinker of thoughts? The intender of thoughts?

Or are you the observer of thoughts?

Now take away the thoughts.

What are you?
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