Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?

[Age]

He has NO idea what the Islamic Ideology wants..

Who is 'he'? And, what does the so-called 'islamic ideology' want, EXACTLY? (According to "attofishpi's" perspective.)

[attofishpi]

Autistic know-nothing freak with compulsive argumentative disorder can fuck off.

Hear hear.

MORALLY WRONG = Hamas

Morally wrong is every human that chants "from the river to the sea" <--- that means annihilating every Jew.

BUT, EVERY "jew" chanting, 'from the river to the sea', KILL EVERY "arab" or "muslim" IS PERFECTLY FINE and OKAY with the likes of ones like "attofishpi" and "accelafine".

I've never ever heard Jews chanting 'from the river to the sea', KILL EVERY "arab" or "muslim".

PROVIDE EVIDENCE or shut the fk up.

In fact, there are a lot of Muslims that live peacefully alongside the Jews within Israel and their families go back a long way in a peaceful relationship with the Jews - I have no issue with them, and clearly, nor do the Jews.

[Age]

1948? The history goes back long before then. The Muslims "Palestinians" refused EVERY land offering, and they lost land on every occasion - ALL along for them it was ALL or wot they got now. AND they still want it ALL - "from the river to the sea" - they're idiots.

If Israel truly wanted to wipe out the Arabs in Gaza - they could do it easy and they certainly wouldn't give prior notice to evacuate when they are about to launch an air strike on the HAMAS rats that hide among civilians.

You know shit about history. In 1948 the British gave part of Palestine to the Jews, which they had no right to do. Genocide and ethnic cleansing started in 1948. Israel is a settler colonial nation occupying Palestine. The Jewish people of Isreal are a parallel to white supremacy and the world court has found Natanyahoo to be guilty of genocide, and has an arrest warrant out for him, which both Isreal and the American House of Isreal won't abide by. Both America and Isreal are guilty of genocide but have such power as to tell the whole world to kiss their asses. Read the definition of genocide and if you cannot see that by that definition, what is going on in Gaza is genocide, then there is something profoundly wrong.

This is such a load of shit.

'What', EXACTLY, is SUPPOSEDLY a so-called 'load of shit', here?

How about instead of ALLUDING TO 'things' and USING False CLAIMS you PRESENT what IS ACTUALLY IRREFUTABLY True, ONLY?

Which piece of rock are you squatting on?

What are you even talking ABOUT, here, EXACTLY?

Who bestows YOUR right to live there?

To live WHERE, EXACTLY?

[Age]

You know shit about history. In 1948 the British gave part of Palestine to the Jews, which they had no right to do. Genocide and ethnic cleansing started in 1948. Israel is a settler colonial nation occupying Palestine. The Jewish people of Isreal are a parallel to white supremacy and the world court has found Natanyahoo to be guilty of genocide, and has an arrest warrant out for him, which both Isreal and the American House of Isreal won't abide by. Both America and Isreal are guilty of genocide but have such power as to tell the whole world to kiss their asses. Read the definition of genocide and if you cannot see that by that definition, what is going on in Gaza is genocide, then there is something profoundly wrong.

This is such a load of shit. Which piece of rock are you squatting on? Who bestows YOUR right to live there?

This is a philosophy forum!

EXACTLY.

But, from some of the REPLIES, and the WORDS and CLAIMS PRESENTED, one would NOT MISTAKEN FOR thinking OTHERWISE.

[Age]

1948? The history goes back long before then. The Muslims "Palestinians" refused EVERY land offering, and they lost land on every occasion - ALL along for them it was ALL or wot they got now. AND they still want it ALL - "from the river to the sea" - they're idiots.

If Israel truly wanted to wipe out the Arabs in Gaza - they could do it easy and they certainly wouldn't give prior notice to evacuate when they are about to launch an air strike on the HAMAS rats that hide among civilians.

You know shit about history. In 1948 the British gave part of Palestine to the Jews, which they had no right to do. Genocide and ethnic cleansing started in 1948. Israel is a settler colonial nation occupying Palestine. The Jewish people of Isreal are a parallel to white supremacy and the world court has found Natanyahoo to be guilty of genocide, and has an arrest warrant out for him, which both Isreal and the American House of Isreal won't abide by. Both America and Isreal are guilty of genocide but have such power as to tell the whole world to kiss their asses. Read the definition of genocide and if you cannot see that by that definition, what is going on in Gaza is genocide, then there is something profoundly wrong.

You know "shit" about pretty much everything.

LOL 'shit' AND 'EVERY thing'.

From google:-
Is Palestine older than Israel?
Both Jews and Arabs have claimed it as theirs alone.

BOTH of these 'human beings' have, supposedly, CLAIMED 'what' is theirs, alone?

From a purely historical perspective, “Israel” predates “Palestine” by more than a millennium

IN regards TO 'what', EXACTLY?

BTW: You must agree that HAMAS started it by kidnapping women (Raping them also) and children, and men and killing > 1,700 Israelis

Slaughtered babies..

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Starting 'it'.

What is 'it', here, EXACTLY?

[Age]

This is such a load of shit. Which piece of rock are you squatting on? Who bestows YOUR right to live there?

This is a philosophy forum!

Your point??

SAYING things like, 'This is such a load of shit. Which piece of rock are you squatting on? Who bestows YOUR right to live there?' Besides REALLY SAYING NOTHING AT ALL, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH 'philosophy', itself.

[Age]

Your point??

DUH! The idea is to address the stated facts that you disagree with; an example would be when the World Court found Natanyahoo guilty of crimes against humanity in other words guilty of genocide. That is factual information you can google instead of just flinging insults.

Hmm. I guess if the 'world court' says it then it must be true. Is that the same 'world court' that NEVER mentions the actual genocides that muslims are committing in other countries?

IN 'what countries', EXACTLY? And, 'WHEN', EXACTLY?

Have you even noticed the islamification that's happening in Europe and how islam isn't pandered to everywhere? It even has a special word for anyone who dares to criticise it. What other religion has that?

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What about so-called 'antisemitism'?

Did that same 'world court' ever find Dubya Bush guilty of crimes against humanity? What about Tony Blair? Has it ever said a single word about the US' many invasions and atrocities? Didn't think so. No normal, thinking person gives a shit what the 'world court' has to say about anything.

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'NO thinking person', AND, LOL, 'No normal, thinking person'.

Ditto the bloated parasites in the UN (same thing anyway).

Does 'this one' just HATE so-called "muslims" SO MUCH, OR< just LOVES so-called "jews" SO MUCH?

[Age]

DUH! The idea is to address the stated facts that you disagree with; an example would be when the World Court found Natanyahoo guilty of crimes against humanity in other words guilty of genocide. That is factual information you can google instead of just flinging insults.

Hmm. I guess if the 'world court' says it then it must be true. Is that the same 'world court' that NEVER mentions the actual genocides that muslims are committing in other countries? Have you even noticed the islamification that's happening in Europe and how islam isn't pandered to everywhere? It even has a special word for anyone who dares to criticise it. What other religion has that?
Did that same 'world court' ever find Dubya Bush guilty of crimes against humanity? What about Tony Blair? Has it ever said a single word about the US' many invasions and atrocities? Didn't think so. No normal, thinking person gives a shit what the 'world court' has to say about anything. Ditto the bloated parasites in the UN (same thing anyway).

You're reading me wrong; I am not pro-Islam I believe Islam should be banned in the West.

'Those' like "accelafine" can NOT SEE 'this' BECAUSE 'they' are SO "one-sided" and SO ABSOLUTELY CLOSED, and thus TOTALLY BLIND and DEAF, here.

In China, it has been banned as a mental illness and I quite agree. The American House of Isreal and Isreal itself had no problem with the World Court before it focused on the genocide in Gaza. You have a point; America has been the most violent country in the world since 1950 and I don't remember any outcry from the world court about the United States crimes against humanity. Still, if one understands what genocide is and can look at what is happening in Gaza and not recognize it as genocide and/or ethnic cleansing someone is being dishonest. The West had no problem with the World Court finding President Putin guilty of war crimes and issuing a global arrest warrant, so perhaps you are right about the World Court. I am very anti-Muslim but genocide is genocide, the attempted destruction of a whole people if accepted by humanity at large, would negate the very meaning of what it is to be human.

Some people are NOT ABLE TO JUST LOOK AT the Truth, let alone SEE the Truth, while they are SO "one sided".

[Age]

Hmm. I guess if the 'world court' says it then it must be true. Is that the same 'world court' that NEVER mentions the actual genocides that muslims are committing in other countries? Have you even noticed the islamification that's happening in Europe and how islam isn't pandered to everywhere? It even has a special word for anyone who dares to criticise it. What other religion has that?
Did that same 'world court' ever find Dubya Bush guilty of crimes against humanity? What about Tony Blair? Has it ever said a single word about the US' many invasions and atrocities? Didn't think so. No normal, thinking person gives a shit what the 'world court' has to say about anything. Ditto the bloated parasites in the UN (same thing anyway).

You're reading me wrong; I am not pro-Islam I believe Islam should be banned in the West. In China, it has been banned as a mental illness and I quite agree. The American House of Isreal and Isreal itself had no problem with the World Court before it focused on the genocide in Gaza. You have a point; America has been the most violent country in the world since 1950 and I don't remember any outcry from the world court about the United States crimes against humanity. Still, if one understands what genocide is and can look at what is happening in Gaza and not recognize it as genocide and/or ethnic cleansing someone is being dishonest. The West had no problem with the World Court finding President Putin guilty of war crimes and issuing a global arrest warrant, so perhaps you are right about the World Court. I am very anti-Muslim but genocide is genocide, the attempted destruction of a whole people if accepted by humanity at large, would negate the very meaning of what it is to be human.

It's not genocide.

If 'it' is, supposedly, NOT 'genocide', then what IS 'it', EXACTLY?

What Gaza Strippers want to do to Jews is genocide.

you could NOT come across MORE "one sided", MORE BLIND, and thus MORE STUPID, here, "accelafine".

What they did on Oct 7 was genocide,

'This one' REALLY does NOT YET COMPREHEND NOR UNDERSTAND what the word 'genocide' REALLY MEANS and REALLY IS REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

arguably the most depraved and obscene act that humans have ever inflicted on another group of humans--certainly in my lifetime.

Could one PRESENT A MORE SHALLOW, MORE NARROWED, and MORE "ONE SIDED" VIEW OF things, in Life?

Even the Nazis didn't openly and gleefully celebrate their depravity and boast about it to the rest of the world.

AGAIN, could 'this one' PRESENT A MORE NARROWED and CLOSED VIEW and PERSPECTIVE OF things?

Perhaps they mistakenly believed that the rest of the would give a shit. Interesting that all the most disgusting and depraved acts of the last few decades that have stayed unwanted in my head have been committed by muslims.

ONCE AGAIN, A PRIME example OF 'CONFIRMATION BIAS'.

What woke Westerners want to happen to Israel is genocide and that is what WILL happen if Israel doesn't stand up for itself.

PARANOIA, in its EXTREME.

Don't talk to ME about 'being human'.

Okay. But, WHY NOT?

After Oct 7 I genuinely don't give a flying *** what happens to any Gaza Strippers, except that they need to be kept OUT of all Western countries.

Here, 'we' have ANOTHER one who BELIEVES that it BELIEVES some people, in some countries, are SUPERIOR TO others, in other countries.

Btw, are you purposely misspelling Israel?

[Age]

Why aren't Egypt and Jordan taking them in?

WHY should ANY one HAVE TO TAKE 'them' IN?

They are the same people for crying out loud.

LOL 'This one' ACTUALLY BELIEVES, ABSOLUTELY, that there are DIFFERENT TYPES OF 'people'. Which EXPLAINS WHY 'this one' BELIEVES that 'its people' ARE SUPERIOR TO what it BELIEVES, ABSOLUTELY, is 'other people'.

Why does Egypt have a massive wall to keep them out?

LOL 'them', as though there IS A 'them' AND AN 'us'.

[Age]

will BRICS be flattened by mortars?

-Imp

'This one' is one of your BETTER ones.

[Age]

Hear hear.

MORALLY WRONG = Hamas

Morally wrong is every human that chants "from the river to the sea" <--- that means annihilating every Jew.

BUT, EVERY "jew" chanting, 'from the river to the sea', KILL EVERY "arab" or "muslim" IS PERFECTLY FINE and OKAY with the likes of ones like "attofishpi" and "accelafine".

I've never ever heard Jews chanting 'from the river to the sea', KILL EVERY "arab" or "muslim".

And this is, ONCE AGAIN, BECAUSE OF your CLEARLY "one sided" VIEW and BELIEF STOPS you FROM SEEING and HEARING what IS ACTUALLY IRREFUTABLY True, Right, Accurate, AND Correct, IN Life.

PROVIDE EVIDENCE or shut the fk up.

PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF, EXACTLY, 'what', "attofishpi"?

If you, REALLY, have NOT YET HEARD ABSOLUTELY FROM ANY "jew" ABOUT them NOT STOPPING UNTIL "islam" IS STOPPED, then you ARE COMPLETELY DEAF, here.

NEXT you WILL BE CLAIMING that you ALSO DO NOT WANT "islam", itself, STOPPED.

In fact, there are a lot of Muslims that live peacefully alongside the Jews within Israel and their families go back a long way in a peaceful relationship with the Jews - I have no issue with them, and clearly, nor do the Jews.

GREAT. HOPEFULLY you 'GROW UP' and WILL, ALSO, STOP HAVING ISSUES WITH OTHER human beings AS WELL.

[Gary Childress]

What if we (Americans) are morally wrong to back Israel and enable Israel's campaign in Gaza? What if Israel is morally wrong in its conduct of the war against Gaza? Then what? Do we keep doing what we are doing even though it would be morally wrong to do so? What would be said of us in the end? Would it not matter? What would God think of us? Would it not matter?

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024 ... ia-incited

Finally, the question: ARE we morally wrong? Is Israel morally wrong? And how can we know or find out an answer to that question in the middle of a war?

The world community finds the war in Gaza not to be a war, but an example of genocide, of ethnic cleansing. Both the American House of Isreal and Zionist Isreal are evil forces in the world today. The American House of Isreal, called that because the government has been usurped by Zionist Jews, and Isreal itself, clings to the tradition of colonization and indeed world domination. Supernatural beings for me have nothing to do with judging morality, The world will find America and Zionist Israel guilty of mass murder unless these evil forces are successful in dominating the world.

The US and Israel are relatively open societies (liberal democracies) that do not forcibly quell dissent among their own citizenry. The same does not appear to apply to Hamas' rule of Gaza. Maybe it comes down to pragmatics. In the end, which government deserves to prevail? Do totalitarian governments deserve to prevail over liberal democracies?

Who should we stick up for or root for? Hamas seems to have initiated hostilities. Israel's response was brutal but arguably a pragmatic one to get rid of a neighboring government that would have continued hostilities had it not been defeated. It is arguable that Hamas deliberately used its civilians as shields. Should any of us wish for Hamas to prevail? Would any of us wish to live under a governance such as that of Hamas? If we would not wish to live under the governance of a group like Hamas, then should we zealously admonish Israel--essentially undermining a liberal democracy in favor of a totalitarian society?

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, however, at second glance, it seems like maybe we should root for Israel under the circumstances.

[accelafine]

''Mark all as read''. Does the creepy little austist with compulsive argumentative disorder i. e. Ken, not realise that all of his posts, no matter who they are directed at, or on what topic, are EXACTLY the same, so there's no point in reading any of it?
The truly pathetic part is that he believes he's some kind of genius:

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[popeye1945]

What if we (Americans) are morally wrong to back Israel and enable Israel's campaign in Gaza? What if Israel is morally wrong in its conduct of the war against Gaza? Then what? Do we keep doing what we are doing even though it would be morally wrong to do so? What would be said of us in the end? Would it not matter? What would God think of us? Would it not matter?

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024 ... ia-incited

Finally, the question: ARE we morally wrong? Is Israel morally wrong? And how can we know or find out an answer to that question in the middle of a war?

The world community finds the war in Gaza not to be a war, but an example of genocide, of ethnic cleansing. Both the American House of Isreal and Zionist Isreal are evil forces in the world today. The American House of Isreal, called that because the government has been usurped by Zionist Jews, and Isreal itself, clings to the tradition of colonization and indeed world domination. Supernatural beings for me have nothing to do with judging morality, The world will find America and Zionist Israel guilty of mass murder unless these evil forces are successful in dominating the world.

The US and Israel are relatively open societies (liberal democracies) that do not forcibly quell dissent among their own citizenry. The same does not appear to apply to Hamas' rule of Gaza. Maybe it comes down to pragmatics. In the end, which government deserves to prevail? Do totalitarian governments deserve to prevail over liberal democracies?

Who should we stick up for or root for? Hamas seems to have initiated hostilities. Israel's response was brutal but arguably a pragmatic one to get rid of a neighboring government that would have continued hostilities had it not been defeated. It is arguable that Hamas deliberately used its civilians as shields. Should any of us wish for Hamas to prevail? Would any of us wish to live under a governance such as that of Hamas? If we would not wish to live under the governance of a group like Hamas, then should we zealously admonish Israel--essentially undermining a liberal democracy in favor of a totalitarian society?

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, however, at second glance, it seems like maybe we should root for Israel under the circumstances.

I believe our views depend upon the information and historical understanding we have been exposed to. Mainly because I suspect your humanity is just as healthy as my own. Hostilities began in 1946 with the recognition of Israel as a legitimate state and done so by Western interests. The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in occupied Palestine started about seventy-five years ago. Israel is not a democratic country, it is an apartheid government the same as what South Africa had in the past, which the West was comfortable with. Israel is perhaps more violent than the former regime of South Africa. You need to understand that Zionist Israel decides American foreign policy, they have usurped/read bought the American congress. Then know that the American propaganda machine is the most powerful in the world. I am no fan of Islam; I believe the Chinese are correct in categorizing Islam as a mental illness, and we in the West should follow suit. I however do not think there is any circumstance in the world where genocide is morally acceptable. For this genocide to be ongoing in direct opposition to world opinion is breathtaking to most of the world. Power and propaganda may work to justify genocide to those exposed to its power the longest, read the American people, but it is what it is.