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accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:19 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:17 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:12 am

What a weak sop. No wonder they are winning.

Nah there does need to be some middle ground otherwise we are just banging our heads together rather than getting to what is crucial - protecting our future freedom and that of our next generation.

What does this 'middle ground' look like, and how do you negotiate it with fanatics?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:20 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:19 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:17 am

Nah there does need to be some middle ground otherwise we are just banging our heads together rather than getting to what is crucial - protecting our future freedom and that of our next generation.

What does this 'middle ground' look like, and how do you negotiate it with fanatics?

It's not the 'fanatics' that we need to win over my friend.

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:26 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:20 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:19 am

What does this 'middle ground' look like, and how do you negotiate it with fanatics?

It's not the 'fanatics' that we need to win over my friend.

Please clarify.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 1:48 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 6:04 am You got a lot to learn.

Doubtless. Fortunately, I might even be capable of learning, unlike you.

If morality is encoded in our DNA, like a computer algorithm, then all of these religious distinctions are irrelevant. How is it that they differ, given your "objective morality" theory?

If morality is encoded in our DNA, like a computer algorithm, then all of these religious distinctions are irrelevant. How is it that they differ, given your "objective morality" theory?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:04 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 1:48 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 6:04 am You got a lot to learn.

Doubtless. Fortunately, I might even be capable of learning, unlike you.

If morality is encoded in our DNA, like a computer algorithm, then all of these religious distinctions are irrelevant. How is it that they differ, given your "objective morality" theory?

I was referring specifically [only] to your ignorance of the religion of peace or rather piece[s].
You have any comment on this which I wrote above?
So it is either you are ignorant & wrong or I am of the above.
Show me proofs if you think I am wrong.

If morality is encoded in our DNA, like a computer algorithm, then all of these religious distinctions are irrelevant. How is it that they differ, given your "objective morality" theory?

You got a lot to learn here as well.

All humans are encoded in the DNA with an inherent existential crisis, i.e. a dilemma which is suppressed and subliminal for good reasons.
The Primal Existential Crisis
viewtopic.php?t=41714
This existential crisis generates terrible angsts [terror within] which need to be soothed.
Fortunately religion is the most effective balm to soothe the terrible terror within, i.e just believed and salvation is assured, thereby the angst of mortality is immediately relieved.
Most of the religion are theistic based, i.e. a supernatural God to take away the terror and pains arising from the existential crisis and angsts.

But each religion has its own constitution, command with different rules, laws, on "morality" conduct [how to act], beliefs [what to think and believe in], etc. that need to be complied with in exchange for the promised of salvation.
It is this difference that give rise to the different religion as constituted in different holy texts from an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God.

The "religion of peace" is the only mainstream religion that has an evil-laden constitution where a percentile [10%?] of believers are every ready to obey every command of committing acts [the average human would define as 'evil' *] upon non-believers.
* https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/concept-evil/

The constitution of the other [most] mainstream religions are fundamentally pacifistic.

Show me proofs if you think I am wrong.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:16 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:04 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 1:48 pm
Doubtless. Fortunately, I might even be capable of learning, unlike you.

If morality is encoded in our DNA, like a computer algorithm, then all of these religious distinctions are irrelevant. How is it that they differ, given your "objective morality" theory?

I was referring specifically [only] to your ignorance of the religion of peace or rather piece[s].
You have any comment on this which I wrote above?
So it is either you are ignorant & wrong or I am of the above.
Show me proofs if you think I am wrong.

If morality is encoded in our DNA, like a computer algorithm, then all of these religious distinctions are irrelevant. How is it that they differ, given your "objective morality" theory?

You got a lot to learn here as well.

All humans are encoded in the DNA with an inherent existential crisis, i.e. a dilemma which is suppressed and subliminal for good reasons.
The Primal Existential Crisis
viewtopic.php?t=41714
This existential crisis generates terrible angsts [terror within] which need to be soothed.
Fortunately religion is the most effective balm to soothe the terrible terror within, i.e just believed and salvation is assured, thereby the angst of mortality is immediately relieved.
Most of the religion are theistic based, i.e. a supernatural God to take away the terror and pains arising from the existential crisis and angsts.

But each religion has its own constitution, command with different rules, laws, on "morality" conduct [how to act], beliefs [what to think and believe in], etc. that need to be complied with in exchange for the promised of salvation.
It is this difference that give rise to the different religion as constituted in different holy texts from an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God.

The "religion of peace" is the only mainstream religion that has an evil-laden constitution where a percentile [10%?] of believers are every ready to obey every command of committing acts [the average human would define as 'evil' *] upon non-believers.
* https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/concept-evil/

The constitution of the other [most] mainstream religions are fundamentally pacifistic.

Show me proofs if you think I am wrong.

Telling Muslims you're going to wipe their religion off the face of the Earth is simply going to provoke and incite them to violence. It's stupid.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:16 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:04 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 1:48 pm
Doubtless. Fortunately, I might even be capable of learning, unlike you.

If morality is encoded in our DNA, like a computer algorithm, then all of these religious distinctions are irrelevant. How is it that they differ, given your "objective morality" theory?

I was referring specifically [only] to your ignorance of the religion of peace or rather piece[s].
You have any comment on this which I wrote above?
So it is either you are ignorant & wrong or I am of the above.
Show me proofs if you think I am wrong.

If morality is encoded in our DNA, like a computer algorithm, then all of these religious distinctions are irrelevant. How is it that they differ, given your "objective morality" theory?

You got a lot to learn here as well.

All humans are encoded in the DNA with an inherent existential crisis, i.e. a dilemma which is suppressed and subliminal for good reasons.
The Primal Existential Crisis
viewtopic.php?t=41714
This existential crisis generates terrible angsts [terror within] which need to be soothed.
Fortunately religion is the most effective balm to soothe the terrible terror within, i.e just believed and salvation is assured, thereby the angst of mortality is immediately relieved.
Most of the religion are theistic based, i.e. a supernatural God to take away the terror and pains arising from the existential crisis and angsts.

But each religion has its own constitution, command with different rules, laws, on "morality" conduct [how to act], beliefs [what to think and believe in], etc. that need to be complied with in exchange for the promised of salvation.
It is this difference that give rise to the different religion as constituted in different holy texts from an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God.

The "religion of peace" is the only mainstream religion that has an evil-laden constitution where a percentile [10%?] of believers are every ready to obey every command of committing acts [the average human would define as 'evil' *] upon non-believers.
* https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/concept-evil/

The constitution of the other [most] mainstream religions are fundamentally pacifistic.

Show me proofs if you think I am wrong.

Telling Muslims you're going to wipe their religion off the face of the Earth is simply going to provoke and incite them to violence. It's stupid.

is simply going to provoke and incite them to violence. It's stupid.

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:31 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:16 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:04 am
I was referring specifically [only] to your ignorance of the religion of peace or rather piece[s].
You have any comment on this which I wrote above?
So it is either you are ignorant & wrong or I am of the above.
Show me proofs if you think I am wrong.


You got a lot to learn here as well.

All humans are encoded in the DNA with an inherent existential crisis, i.e. a dilemma which is suppressed and subliminal for good reasons.
The Primal Existential Crisis
viewtopic.php?t=41714
This existential crisis generates terrible angsts [terror within] which need to be soothed.
Fortunately religion is the most effective balm to soothe the terrible terror within, i.e just believed and salvation is assured, thereby the angst of mortality is immediately relieved.
Most of the religion are theistic based, i.e. a supernatural God to take away the terror and pains arising from the existential crisis and angsts.

But each religion has its own constitution, command with different rules, laws, on "morality" conduct [how to act], beliefs [what to think and believe in], etc. that need to be complied with in exchange for the promised of salvation.
It is this difference that give rise to the different religion as constituted in different holy texts from an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God.

The "religion of peace" is the only mainstream religion that has an evil-laden constitution where a percentile [10%?] of believers are every ready to obey every command of committing acts [the average human would define as 'evil' *] upon non-believers.
* https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/concept-evil/

The constitution of the other [most] mainstream religions are fundamentally pacifistic.

Show me proofs if you think I am wrong.

Telling Muslims you're going to wipe their religion off the face of the Earth is simply going to provoke and incite them to violence. It's stupid.

Be nice and meet them 'half way'. Reason with them. See how that goes. Just a question. What does 'half way' between rational and insanity look like?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:49 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:31 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:16 am

Telling Muslims you're going to wipe their religion off the face of the Earth is simply going to provoke and incite them to violence. It's stupid.

Be nice and meet them 'half way'. Reason with them. See how that goes. Just a question. What does 'half way' between rational and insanity look like?

That is just like patting a poisonous snake.

I've just listened this video related to Lebanon once known as the Paris of the Middle East.
My Chat with Brigitte Gabriel, On Lebanon, Israel, the Palestinians, and Islam (THE SAAD TRUTH_1681)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Js5EQozEc
The Lebanese Government at one time took pity on the Palestinian Muslim refugees, then the ideology reared its ugly head and the Islamists [Hezbollah] took control over the country and look at what happened to Lebanon now??

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 2:12 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 1:56 pm

ISLAM is an evil ideology moreso than a religion. No other religion has masses of doctrine insisting people covert to its teachings AND laws or be killed by its followers.

Perhaps you have never heard of the Crusades, the Inquisition, or the Witch-killing craze in 16th century Europe. I am not an expert on Muslim theology. However, I'm quite sure there are experts who would dispute your claim, although there are also Fundamentalists who embrace it.

Religions are complicated and often contradictory. Logic is the science of non-contradiction. So the two are often at odds. But contradictions and paradoxes abound in our world, and we sometimes use religion to enable us to think about them. The Caliphate in Cordoba in the last centuries of the first Millenium AD embraced a Muslim theology of reason, acceptance and culture. The Menocal history I cited earlier points this out. Were they not Muslims? Or were they sophisticated Muslims interpreting the Quran differently from their more fundamentalist brethren? Perhaps the rise of atheism and scientific rationalism has put a damper on sophisticated and tolerant theologies, because those attracted to them are no longer religious. This may hold true for Christians, Jews and Muslims (as well as other believers).

You got a lot to learn.

A Christian is one who has entered into a covenant [new divine contract] with Jesus/God where the terms of the contract are confined only within the Gospels. [the offer by God in John 3:16 and elsewhere]
The overriding maxim of the contract is ALL Christians are to 'love all, even enemies,' 'give the other cheek' and the likes, meaning no killing and violence upon non-believers.
If Christians were to kill or are violent, they are doing that on their own personal volition and cannot be in the name of God as a contractual obligation.
They therefore have sinned in non-compliance with the contractual terms as a contracted-Christian.

On the other hand, to qualify, ALL Muslims must enter into a contract [covenant -mithaq] directly with Allah.
The contractual terms [confined to the Quran] contain the obligation of the contracted Muslim to kill non-believers upon the slightest threats [fasadin - drawing of cartoon even disbelieving is a threat] to the religion. Quran 5:33 and >300 violent related verses.
If they do not kill non-Muslims they have sinned and may miss their chance of eternal life in paradise.
Those who comply with God's terms in killing of non-believers upon the slightest threat are good Muslims in the eyes of God.

That the majority do not comply is because their good human nature prevails or they are ignorant of their contract obligation. In this case, they are good-humans but bad-Muslims who do not comply with their contractual obligations.

So it is either you are ignorant & wrong or I am of the above.
Show me proofs if you think I am wrong.

Perhaps you have never heard of the Crusades, the Inquisition, or the Witch-killing craze in 16th century Europe.

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:56 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:49 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:31 am
Be nice and meet them 'half way'. Reason with them. See how that goes. Just a question. What does 'half way' between rational and insanity look like?

That is just like patting a poisonous snake.

I've just listened this video related to Lebanon once known as the Paris of the Middle East.
My Chat with Brigitte Gabriel, On Lebanon, Israel, the Palestinians, and Islam (THE SAAD TRUTH_1681)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Js5EQozEc
The Lebanese Government at one time took pity on the Palestinian Muslim refugees, then the ideology reared its ugly head and the Islamists [Hezbollah] took control over the country and look at what happened to Lebanon now??

There was a ceasefire on Oct 6. I wonder if any of the wokesters on here could remind us of what happened the next day? Probably not. They don't retain much.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 3:03 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:56 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:49 am
That is just like patting a poisonous snake.

I've just listened this video related to Lebanon once known as the Paris of the Middle East.
My Chat with Brigitte Gabriel, On Lebanon, Israel, the Palestinians, and Islam (THE SAAD TRUTH_1681)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Js5EQozEc
The Lebanese Government at one time took pity on the Palestinian Muslim refugees, then the ideology reared its ugly head and the Islamists [Hezbollah] took control over the country and look at what happened to Lebanon now??

There was a ceasefire on Oct 6. I wonder if any of the wokesters on here could remind us of what happened the next day? Probably not. They don't retain much.

The wokesters think they are ALTRUISTIC [re victimhood] but they are on a stupid, irrational, blind altruistic-bandwagon like lemmings.

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 2:31 am Be nice and meet them 'half way'. Reason with them. See how that goes. Just a question. What does 'half way' between rational and insanity look like?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 1:06 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 2:56 pm The title of this thread is utterly stupid, bigoted, insulting to others and intolerant. This thread ought to be locked and deleted.

My opinion.

Gazza - is the thread title now reasonable: Islam MUST HAVE reformation or be outlawed