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Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:27 am
As I had mentioned, it is possible, so, not impossible.

Actually it is impossible.

The Pleiades is 444 light years away.

Our concepts of time and distance do not necessarily apply beyond our conventional selves/reality.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pm But the fact that the assumption is that this seed that was "planted" is supposedly know a long list of cultures and different times in history, but unkown to modern humans is absurd.

Okay, Mr. Science... a) how do you imagine that 'modern humans' would know what actually happened all throughout human history, and b) how did so many different (and physically diverse) races of humans develop from the same source of evolution?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pmThere is simply no way to connect an idea that some bug eyed monster from 444 light years away is supposed to have planted all the homonid evolution

Try to think beyond 1950's movies, and consider that this garden has been planted and tended by multiple advanced gardeners. Like a 'Community Garden' for compatible reasons, but then the plants overcrowded and turned on each other... and what a mess.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pmpeople thousands of years (millions?) later made some building that looked like the configuration of stars

They didn't have TV... so what do you imagine they would use to model their significance?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pm Just because a Mars bar is so called does not mean that Martians came down and invented it. Or that the governing council of the Milky Way invented the choclate bar of the same name. But is it not really spooky that there is also a chocolate bar called "Galaxy", surely this cannot be a coincidence? What about Star Bar? OMG

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:46 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:41 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:09 am
And when do you think they were planted?
Evolution can bt traced back billions of years.
If an alien "planted" something, how to "ancient" and medieval cultures know about the Pleiades?

Various beings could have been planted at various times, or in waves, on Earth. How would YOU plant a garden?

Nope. Not without evidence.
have you got a single unequivocal example? Have you got a reason this might have happened?
No. You got nothing?

What have you got?

You DO realize that philosophy explores and presents ideas and possibilities, yes?... and that 'evidence' is typically only pointed to in various directions, ELSE THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTION AND NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT.

Again, what have you got other than a cranky attitude?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:46 pm BTW - what has this got to do with the Pleiades?

Because you asked how ancient humans would know about the Pleiades.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:09 pm
Because you asked how ancient humans would know about the Pleiades.

This is a philosophy Forum. You are just making an arse of yourself.

You need to bugger off and tell your amazing disocery to someone as stupid as you are.

Here's a suggestion..

https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?f ... gazine.12/

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:19 pm This is a philosophy Forum.

So why are you here? Just to tear apart whatever you imagine that you can? Lazy and dense and full of ego! Brilliant contribution.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:03 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:19 pm This is a philosophy Forum.

So why are you here? Just to tear apart whatever you imagine that you can? Lazy and dense and full of ego! Brilliant contribution.

Get lost.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:59 pm Get lost.

Fuck off.

I started this thread.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:29 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:59 pm Get lost.

Fuck off.

I started this thread.

It's an empty thread. Like your brain.
It is unworthy of PN. There have been many absrud and idiotic threads, but this one is special.

The question is not irrelevant. I mean given everything coming up about Space Peoples among us.

The Universe is getting weirder and weirder. Unthinkable and strange things are becoming thinkable.

Lacewing: ever read CG Jung’s Flying Saucers : A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Sky?

I read it at Pan Flute Camp (as you might have guessed) and when I explained the idea to my Drumming Circle they were really enthused. Man, what a night that was!

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:41 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:09 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:48 am Don't things grow after you plant them? Don't we manipulate things all the time to change what they turn into? Why couldn't more advanced extraterrestrials do that to human beings?

And when do you think they were planted?
Evolution can bt traced back billions of years.
If an alien "planted" something, how to "ancient" and medieval cultures know about the Pleiades?

It's challenging to communicate with you when your brain is moving at such a slow speed.

Various beings could have been planted at various times, or in waves, on Earth. How would YOU plant a garden?

More advanced beings could have been teaching human beings all throughout Earth's history... including now... which would explain how humans have known things and done things that were otherwise 'beyond their means' or the awareness of the time.

Does it really seem to you that humans could have advanced from stone tools to computers without any influential intervention?

LOL
LOL
LOL "lacewing".

Does it really seem to you that those 'influences' could have advanced "themselves" without any influential intervention?

And then ALL THE WAY BACK.

BECAUSE 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, STILL CHOOSE to MAKE ASSUMPTIONS FIRST, BEFORE GAINING the ACTUAL Truth, 'you' WILL CONTINUE to come up with these 'infinite regress' BELIEFS and CONCLUSIONS.

What a Truly RIDICULOUS WAY of 'trying to' argue what one thinks or believes is true here.

And what IS EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS and ABSURD here is that what ACTUALLY OCCURRED and IS STILL HAPPENING is FAR MORE SIMPLER and EASIER to UNDERSTAND, COMPREHEND, and KNOW. That is; what IS ACTUALLY True IS FAR MORE SIMPLER than these MADE UP ASSUMPTIONS and STORIES.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:41 pm Is it so far-fetched to imagine that we are 'downloading' or channeling information from greater sources all the time?

What is Truly FAR-FETCHED, and FUNNY to WATCH and OBSERVE, is that 'you' propose 'this idea' BUT then 'you' have REFUTED 'this idea' "yourself" "lacewing".

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:41 pm Some may imagine it as messages from a god... but it could simply be a larger network that we're part of, and which we're largely unaware of from the limits of our human 'framework' and 'reality'.

If, and WHEN, 'you', adult human beings, OPEN "yourselves" UP FULLY, then what ACTUALLY HAPPENS and OCCURS BECOMES almost instantly KNOWN.

And, 'I' could even TELL and EXPLAIN what ACTUALLY HAPPENS and OCCURS, BUT BECAUSE 'you', adult human beings, here ARE STILL SO LIMITED, by your OWN ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, or 'human framework' and 'human reality', 'you' are NOT YET READY to be ABLE TO SEE and UNDERSTAND PAST 'your' OWN 'self made world/s'.

What is Truly HUMOROUS to OBSERVE and FOLLOW here is just HOW CLOSE 'you' ALL REALLY ARE here, in your OWN individual ways, but HOW 'you' ALL FALTER, STUMBLE, and FAIL BECAUSE OF 'your' OWN individually MADE UP BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS. In other words if 'you' ALL JUST STOPPED ASSUMING and/or BELIEVING that your OWN IDEAS and VIEWS are the TRUE AND RIGHT ones, then 'you' COULD ACTUALLY FIND and SEE what the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth IS, EXACTLY.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:46 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:41 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:09 am
And when do you think they were planted?
Evolution can bt traced back billions of years.
If an alien "planted" something, how to "ancient" and medieval cultures know about the Pleiades?

It's challenging to communicate with you when your brain is moving at such a slow speed.

Various beings could have been planted at various times, or in waves, on Earth. How would YOU plant a garden?

Nope. Not without evidence.
have you got a single unequivocal example? Have you got a reason this might have happened?
No. You got nothing?

Although "lacewing" has ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF for 'its' Truly ABSURD and ILLOGICAL GUESS here, WHY would 'you' SAY, 'Nope. Not without evidence'.

Just because someone might NOT have 'evidence' for their 'theory/guess' YET, 'this', by itself, does NOT mean that the 'theory/guess' is automatically Wrong nor Incorrect.

So, various beings could have been 'planted' at various times, or in waves, on earth.

AND, it would be Truly ILLOGICAL for 'me' or "another" to SAY to 'you', "sculptor", like 'you' did to "lacewing", that because 'you' do NOT have 'evidence' that 'this' did NOT occur, then 'this' DID OCCUR.

What 'you', two, are doing here is just SHOWING what the adult human being population did just about always, that is; just pick a "side" and 'fight/argue' for that "side", or 'position', in the best way that 'you' two know of.

Which, OBVIOUSLY, besides being a Truly HUMOROUS 'thing' to WATCH and OBSERVE, FROM HERE, 'you' two ARE SHOWING WHY it took the human being population SO LONG to PROGRESS and MOVE FORWARDS, in the days when this was being written. 'you' two ARE ALSO SHOWING and TEACHING 'future populations' what NOT TO DO, which 'we' are THANKING 'you' two, and the rest of 'you' here in this forum, FOR VERY MUCH.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:46 pm
Coulda woulda shoulda.
It's was not aliens it was fairies -OVIOUSLY.
DUH


So who was visited by aliens, specifically. Newton? Galileo? Einstein?
Maybe it was Elon musk?
Do tell!
And BTW - what has this got to do with the Pleiades?

Are 'you' BOTH even AWARE that it is 'your' OWN definitions and interpretations of who and what 'aliens' are, which is what could be leading 'you' two COMPLETELY ASTRAY here?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:03 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:27 am
As I had mentioned, it is possible, so, not impossible.

Actually it is impossible.

The Pleiades is 444 light years away.

Our concepts of time and distance do not necessarily apply beyond our conventional selves/reality.

'your', in the days when this was being written, human being concept of 'time' and of 'distance' IS OBVIOUSLY False, Wrong, Inaccurate, AND Incorrect. This is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS in that even your OWN so-called "experts" ARE disagreeing, fighting, and arguing WITH "each other" OVER these two things.

And, the REASONS WHY 'your' concepts ARE SO Wrong IS ALSO BLATANTLY OBVIOUS.

What 'you' two ARE DOING, and ARE NOT DOING, here IS EXPOSING and SHOWING the VERY REASONS WHY 'your' human concepts, back then, WERE SO Wrong AND BACKWARDS.

To UNDERSTAND 'time' AND 'distance' FULLY 'you', people, just NEED TO DO the VERY OPPOSITE of what 'you' ARE DOING, and NOT DOING, here.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:03 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pm But the fact that the assumption is that this seed that was "planted" is supposedly know a long list of cultures and different times in history, but unkown to modern humans is absurd.

Okay, Mr. Science... a) how do you imagine that 'modern humans' would know what actually happened all throughout human history,

But 'you', very laughably, so-called 'modern humans' do NOT know what happened ALL throughout human history. 'you', people, can NOT even AGREE ON how long 'human history' goes for, let alone knowing ALL 'throughout human history'.

WHY would CLAIM such an OBVIOUSLY Truly Wrong AND ABSURD 'thing' as 'this' here "lacewing"?

Also, SOME of what 'you' do 'know' just CAME FROM the texts and symbols written down or drawn from 'earlier times' throughout human history.

Which, by the way, WHY do 'you' IMAGINE there was SO MANY DIFFERENT types of languages? Was this because there were LOTS of DIFFERENT TYPES of so-called "aliens" planting LOTS of DIFFERENT types of so-called 'human beings'?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:03 pm and b) how did so many different (and physically diverse) races of humans develop from the same source of evolution?

When 'you' SAY, 'physically diverse races of humans', then if 'you' are just referring to the different colors of skin, hair, and eyes for example, then this could just be because of the different areas or different environments 'you' human beings lived on, on earth. Remember, 'you', human beings, are the ONLY animal that can live and thrive in temperatures of over 100 degrees celsius in difference, and so this would obviously have some sort of effect on the coloring of the above named 'things'. Or, when 'you' spoke of 'physically diverse differences', were 'you' referring to some 'thing' else?

Also, other animals can be VERY PHYSICALLY DIVERSE, and they in no way live and thrive in PHYSICALLY DIVERSE areas NOR environments like 'you', human beings, DO.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:03 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pmThere is simply no way to connect an idea that some bug eyed monster from 444 light years away is supposed to have planted all the homonid evolution

Try to think beyond 1950's movies, and consider that this garden has been planted and tended by multiple advanced gardeners. Like a 'Community Garden' for compatible reasons, but then the plants overcrowded and turned on each other... and what a mess.

So, the so-called 'advanced gardeners' were, REALLY, NOT that 'advanced'. Or, were 'they' just like the OTHER 'God' and/or 'gods' who were SAID to have CREATED 'you', human beings, and just LEFT 'you' WITH 'your' OWN 'free will' AS WELL.

All 'you' are essentially doing here "lacewing" is just providing ANOTHER 'God' story, with ALL of 'Its' issues and UNEXPLAINED scenarios, just WITH and FROM 'your' OWN 'version'.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:03 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pmpeople thousands of years (millions?) later made some building that looked like the configuration of stars

They didn't have TV... so what do you imagine they would use to model their significance?

'you' now appear to be 'arguing' for just evolution, itself, WITHOUT some so-called 'advanced being/s' 'DROPPING' two or more 'people' down ON earth.

Just because a species 'models' 'its' buildings/structures on some 'thing' like 'stars', this in NO WAY then instantly or automatically MEANS that 'these people' CAME FROM 'that place'.

It is said that the measurements of the pyramids aline with the size of the earth and with the earth in relation to the sun. So, to you, does this mean that the 'people' who build the pyramids CAME FROM the earth, or FROM the sun, or FROM both?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:03 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pm Just because a Mars bar is so called does not mean that Martians came down and invented it. Or that the governing council of the Milky Way invented the choclate bar of the same name. But is it not really spooky that there is also a chocolate bar called "Galaxy", surely this cannot be a coincidence? What about Star Bar? OMG

That which appears so astoundingly beyond human conception and mystical to an equal degree, will be given stories by all civilizations who are mentally transfigured by a sight, seemingly eternal, in which they themselves feel enfolded and thus the myth-making apparatus commences creating its own universe of symbols and gods to anchor the unfathomable.

It's hard to imagine any advanced species not reacting the same way when suborned to a visible expression at a time when visibility was many times more palpable. I imagine the shining forth of its gloriously abstract indifference enforced a cleansing influence...the metaphysical itself becoming physical to an awareness whose response is a kind of Eternal Recurrence of the psyche to its origins.

To the ancients, everything begins with the gods especially when the gods, as divine entities, are so far yet so luminously visible.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:38 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:27 am
As I had mentioned, it is possible, so, not impossible.

Actually it is impossible.

The Pleiades is 444 light years away.

I probably need to say not more than that.
But the fact that the assumption is that this seed that was "planted" is supposedly know a long list of cultures and different times in history, but unkown to modern humans is absurd.

There is simply no way to connect an idea that some bug eyed monster from 444 light years away is supposed to have planted all the homonid evolution WITH the idea that some people thousands of years (millions?) later made some building that looked like the configuration of stars.

Just because a Mars bar is so called does not mean that Martians came down and invented it. Or that the governing council of the Milky Way invented the choclate bar of the same name.
But is it not really spooky that there is also a chocolate bar called "Galaxy", surely this cannot be a coincidence? What about Star Bar? OMG

Of course we all know that DNA was discoered because of the Curly Wirly. But that is another story..

Did you know that the Truimph Tiger "Jupiter" was named to honour the LordHigh Emperor "Tiger" of the SOuthern realm of Jupiter.

With the empirical-rational there is no 100% certainty.

As such, my point is, on an empirical-rational basis, it is 0.000000000000000..1% possible and not 100% impossible.

I have explained, based on evidence, it is >50% possibility that life originated from abiogenesis on Earth.

You are not an omniscient God to be so confident it is 100% impossible.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:09 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:46 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:41 pm
Various beings could have been planted at various times, or in waves, on Earth. How would YOU plant a garden?

Nope. Not without evidence.
have you got a single unequivocal example? Have you got a reason this might have happened?
No. You got nothing?

What have you got?

You DO realize that philosophy explores and presents ideas and possibilities, yes?...

If 'you' would REALLY like to EXPLORE 'ideas and possibilities', then let 'us' EXPLORE the 'idea and possibility' that when the word 'alien' is PRESENTED, then WHY do most of 'you' adult human beings here think ABOUT or IMAGINE 'a species' from ANOTHER planet and/or ANOTHER whole galaxy? WHY do a VERY RARE number of 'you' conceptualize that those so-called 'aliens' ARE just human beings COMING BACK, in what is generally known as 'time travel', in the days when this is being written.

OBVIOUSLY, if 'time travel' becomes possible, then what are PERCEIVED to be 'creatures' from ANOTHER planet could JUST BE 'you', human beings, COMING BACK, in 'time'. And, NOT COMING FROM, another 'place'.

WHEN 'this idea and possibility' is DELVED INTO and LOOKED INTO FULLY, THEN 'you' WILL SEE WHY what 'you' have been talking ABOUT here IS VERY CLOSE to the ACTUAL Truth of 'things', but ALSO FUNNY to WATCH and OBSERVE HOW 'you' have been JUST 'MISSING THE MARK'.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:03 pm and that 'evidence' is typically only pointed to in various directions, ELSE THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTION AND NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT.

ONCE AGAIN, 'evidence', itself, is REALLY NOT even WORTH LOOKING AT. See, there IS 'evidence' that the sun revolves around the earth, and that even the earth itself is flat, which, VERY SADLY, some people USE to back up and support what they BELIEVE or ASSUME is true here.

Just like I do NOT DO 'debate' I also do NOT USE 'evidence', for the OBVIOUS USELESSNESS of doing so. So, instead I just USE 'proof' ONLY. Which, by the way, can NEVER be REFUTED, by ANY one.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:03 pm Again, what have you got other than a cranky attitude?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:46 pm BTW - what has this got to do with the Pleiades?

Because you asked how ancient humans would know about the Pleiades.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:19 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:09 pm
Because you asked how ancient humans would know about the Pleiades.

This is a philosophy Forum. You are just making an arse of yourself.

You need to bugger off and tell your amazing disocery to someone as stupid as you are.

"lacewing" just ANSWERED your QUESTION posed, and ASKED to "lacewing".

WHY do SO MANY of 'you', posters, here TELL "the other" TO 'bugger off', or similar, when "the other" just SAYS what 'you' do NOT like TO SEE or HEAR?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:19 pm Here's a suggestion..

https://forums.forteana.org/index.php?f ... gazine.12/