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FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:33 amNo, for real. How do you make this journey from amateur scientist to racist nazi?

You tell me moshe, it's your nose sniffing out "DATS RACIS!"

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:39 amDid I say 'I'? Do you disagree that people differentiate through purchase and (try to) form their identities this way?

That's how Normies, 99.9% of humanity "differentiate" themselves, yes.

But this is a Philosophy forum. We should...hypothetically, have a much higher standard.

How about...thoughts differentiating a person from a person? How about the quality of your beliefs?

How many thoughts...are your "Own"?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:45 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:33 amNo, for real. How do you make this journey from amateur scientist to racist nazi?

You tell me moshe, it's your nose sniffing out "DATS RACIS!"

It's not true though. You get called a nazi because you write antisemitic and racist stuff. Nobody is calling you racist because of your expertise in genetics.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:50 amIt's not true though. You get called a nazi because you write antisemitic and racist stuff. Nobody is calling you racist because of your expertise in genetics.

Bullshit.

Don't pretend you're not sensitive about genetic ideology. You should consider why that is.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:59 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:44 amThe human brain being capable of pattern recognition. The sense of self ''you'' ''I'' ''me'' etc.. is developed as and through a synthetic reactory recognition of sound, heard as words. The words, ie; concepts are an illusory appearance of what is in reality total emptiness.

Empty as in, you don't have a body?

The body does not ask questions. Ask your arm a question, and wait for the answer.

Who questions? answer, no thing, questions are ''thoughts'' which are made by a process that is a chemical synthesis of brain activity, especially apparent to imitate this unknowing reality as a concept known, which in reality knows nothing.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:54 amThe body does not ask questions. Ask your arm a question, and wait for the answer.

Who questions? answer, no thing, questions are ''thoughts'' which are made by a process that is a chemical synthesis of brain activity, especially apparent to imitate this unknowing reality as a concept known, which in reality knows nothing.

Your brain is something, not nothing, and not empty.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:47 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:39 amDid I say 'I'? Do you disagree that people differentiate through purchase and (try to) form their identities this way?

That's how Normies, 99.9% of humanity "differentiate" themselves, yes.
How many thoughts...are your "Own"?

Oh, ok. I was answering...

How then do humans set themselves apart from each-other?

which could be taken in a few ways.

But to this

But this is a Philosophy forum. We should...hypothetically, have a much higher standard.

How about...thoughts differentiating a person from a person? How about the quality of your beliefs?

Thoughts certainly differentiate, but then also throughts are pretty easy. One can sit in a room and read a bunch of stuff and then do some investigations and exploration and come up with interesting stuff that you think, but be a boring, socially incompetent interpersonal vampire who does nothing of interest. But we could say that it is necessary to have some orginal thoughts - and also to have ways of choosing minority expert beliefs - but not sufficient.

But let me jump to the side.

You really want to be unique: integrate the various portions of yourself rather than separating,suppressing and fragmenting yourself. Emotions and intellect, the shadow and what you consider your morals, the id and your rational side, your left and right brain (take that metaphorically if you don't think those sides are so different). Pretty much every ism is telling us that our emotions are a problem, as are our desires. Pretty much every -ism has given up in advance on integration.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:57 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:54 amThe body does not ask questions. Ask your arm a question, and wait for the answer.

Who questions? answer, no thing, questions are ''thoughts'' which are made by a process that is a chemical synthesis of brain activity, especially apparent to imitate this unknowing reality as a concept known, which in reality knows nothing.

Your brain is something, not nothing, and not empty.

You do not have a brain. You are brain.

You are literally walking around inside your brain on the outside of it.

Knowing implies something to be known, and that something is emptiness, but cannot be recognised as something, because the word something completely veils it. The something is all that can be known, purely because nothing cannot exist, except as a something concept.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:02 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:47 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:39 amDid I say 'I'? Do you disagree that people differentiate through purchase and (try to) form their identities this way?

That's how Normies, 99.9% of humanity "differentiate" themselves, yes.
How many thoughts...are your "Own"?

Oh, ok. I was answering...

How then do humans set themselves apart from each-other?

which could be taken in a few ways.

But to this

But this is a Philosophy forum. We should...hypothetically, have a much higher standard.

How about...thoughts differentiating a person from a person? How about the quality of your beliefs?

Thoughts certainly differentiate, but then also throughts are pretty easy. One can sit in a room and read a bunch of stuff and then do some investigations and exploration and come up with interesting stuff that you think, but be a boring, socially incompetent interpersonal vampire who does nothing of interest. But we could say that it is necessary to have some orginal thoughts - and also to have ways of choosing minority expert beliefs - but not sufficient.

Well there are 'common' beliefs...God, UFOs, Big Foot, your favorite sports team, etc. People share lots of similar thoughts and beliefs in these. But there are some, rare, exceptional beliefs, that set an individual far apart from the crowd. There are various means of doing this, like having an extensive knowledge set, ability to debate, exceptional memory, comedic interpretations...

So then, how would a person gain thoughts or beliefs which are truly rare, truly unique, which most would not share? Consider something like advanced mathematics...that is specialized set of knowledge which cannot be propagated throughout the masses, and exemplifies a profound uniqueness to those who understand its equations, and employ them in physics.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:02 amBut let me jump to the side.

You really want to be unique: integrate the various portions of yourself rather than separating,suppressing and fragmenting yourself. Emotions and intellect, the shadow and what you consider your morals, the id and your rational side, your left and right brain (take that metaphorically if you don't think those sides are so different). Pretty much every ism is telling us that our emotions are a problem, as are our desires. Pretty much every -ism has given up in advance on integration.

What do you mean, like putting thought into action?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:05 amYou do not have a brain. You are brain.

You are literally walking around inside your brain on the outside of it.

Knowing implies something to be known, and that something is emptiness, but cannot be recognised as something, because the word something completely veils it. The something is all that can be known, purely because nothing cannot exist, except as a something concept.

Something is a (temporary) placeholder. It is not nothing. And it is not empty. How could it be?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:08 am Well there are 'common' beliefs...God, UFOs, Big Foot, your favorite sports team, etc. People share lots of similar thoughts and beliefs in these. But there are some, rare, exceptional beliefs, that set an individual far apart from the crowd. There are various means of doing this, like having an extensive knowledge set, ability to debate, exceptional memory, comedic interpretations...

I like the inclusion of humor. Humor allows for dealing with taboo reactions/thoughts. So, it allows things to be present and communicated despite the taboo. And I am using 'taboo' in a very broad sense. Not just things related to sex or non-pc beliefs or whatever, though these also. But ideas about reality on all levels.

So then, how would a person gain thoughts or beliefs which are truly rare, truly unique, which most would not share? Consider something like advanced mathematics...that is specialized set of knowledge which cannot be propagated throughout the masses, and exemplifies a profound uniqueness to those who understand its equations, and employ them in physics.

I'm going to push self-integration again. If you section off parts of yourself, you will 1) not notice when things, for example, trigger your anxiety, so you won't notice yourself avoiding feeling cognitive dissonance. This entails that you are less likely to question your beliefs and the assertions of others that fit with what you are comfortable with. 2) Anomalies are much less likely to be noticed and taken seriously, if you do not allow yourself to consider things that seem odd/impossible. 3) you won't be as aware of when your rationality is just a mask for maintaining the status quo.

I would also add that if you suppress parts of yourself, you are disabled. If your intuition and intellect are kept separate you simply won't have certain experiences or notice them. You're a partial person.

What do you mean, like putting thought into action?

One can sit around thinking interesting stuff but never
invent anything
develop a new way to........
be interpersonally effective with X
problem solve with the knowledge
change anything

words in the mind in and of themselves don't do very much.

Schizophrenics often have extremely unique thoughts.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:05 amYou do not have a brain. You are brain.

You are literally walking around inside your brain on the outside of it.

Knowing implies something to be known, and that something is emptiness, but cannot be recognised as something, because the word something completely veils it. The something is all that can be known, purely because nothing cannot exist, except as a something concept.

Something is a (temporary) placeholder. It is not nothing. And it is not empty. How could it be?

You could be just a brain, floating in the universe. In fact statistically, in an infinite universe, you are much more likely to be that than an actual person

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhy4Z_3 ... SSpaceTime

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:19 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:05 amYou do not have a brain. You are brain.

You are literally walking around inside your brain on the outside of it.

Knowing implies something to be known, and that something is emptiness, but cannot be recognised as something, because the word something completely veils it. The something is all that can be known, purely because nothing cannot exist, except as a something concept.

Something is a (temporary) placeholder. It is not nothing. And it is not empty. How could it be?

You could be just a brain, floating in the universe

Couldn't he have the option of choosing a part of himself that works?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:52 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:50 amIt's not true though. You get called a nazi because you write antisemitic and racist stuff. Nobody is calling you racist because of your expertise in genetics.

Bullshit.

Don't pretend you're not sensitive about genetic ideology. You should consider why that is.

You get called a nazi because you write things like this...

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 8:10 am Ukraine has a puppet-president Zelensky, who is a staunch Israeli-Zionist-Jew. Zelensky has no issue with sending millions of Slavs to their deaths, in a mass genocide and human sacrifice.

And this...

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:48 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:56 amJews made the west wealthy for a while?..... how did they do that?

By providing huge amounts of loans at low interest to Western countries, through the banks, from the 1950s onward.

Nowadays, the US just barely agreed to increasing the US debt by trillions of dollars. Eventually this magic funny money won't work.

Then the chickens will come home to roost.


And you will get your chance to see real anti-semitism and meet these real nazis you so greatly adulate.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:09 am
Something is a (temporary) placeholder. It is not nothing. And it is not empty. How could it be?

Because it's all conceptual. All concepts.

There are here only concepts. The only knowing there is.

The dream is all there is, this conceptual dream of separation.

The absurdity of conceptualising the non-conceptual.

To be a placeholder implies emptiness, how could it not?

And yes, the vessel that holds something is something and nothing, both empty and full.