Philosophy Now Forum

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:14 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:35 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:41 pm
God isn't all that omniscient,

If you say so. But it is YOUR God after all.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:41 pm Average Joe is better than God at telling what is an assumption and what isn't

Okay. And, AGAIN, it is YOUR God.

No it isn't

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:37 am

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:14 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:35 am

If you say so. But it is YOUR God after all.


Okay. And, AGAIN, it is YOUR God.

No it isn't

So, YOUR God is NOT YOUR God. Okay.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:52 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:37 am

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:14 am
No it isn't

So, YOUR God is NOT YOUR God. Okay.

I don't even have a God.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:52 pm Maybe a Goddess, but not a God.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:23 am

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:07 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:22 am

WHO EVER came up with the idea or belief that the Universe even REQUIRE A God?

There is no doubt that the universe has a beginning. So either there existed something in the beginning or nothing to something is possible or God created everything from nothing.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:22 am Also, how do you even define the word 'God'?

The creator of everything from nothing.

You have just expressed a massive contradiction.
1) It is not clear that the universe had a beginning at all.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:23 am 2) Let's say it had a beginning. If that is true then you can't have a creator since that
assumes something exists before existence - which is absurd.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:07 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:52 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:37 am

So, YOUR God is NOT YOUR God. Okay.

I don't even have a God.

But here 'you' were TELLING 'us' what (your) God COULD, and COULD NOT, DO.

And 'now' you INFORM us that you did NOT even have a God.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:52 pm Maybe a Goddess, but not a God.

So, now, you may have a Goddess.

So could this Goddess, of 'yours', REALLY be REAL to the one here known as "atla"?

If yes, then are 'you', now, BRAVE ENOUGH to EXPLAIN what LED you to come to this CONCLUSION and/or BELIEF of 'yours' here "atla"?

Or are you STILL just to SCARED and AFRAID TO just be OPEN and Honest, and ANSWER?

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:23 am

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:07 am
There is no doubt that the universe has a beginning. So either there existed something in the beginning or nothing to something is possible or God created everything from nothing.


The creator of everything from nothing.

You have just expressed a massive contradiction.
1) It is not clear that the universe had a beginning at all.

It is clear!

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:23 am 2) Let's say it had a beginning. If that is true then you can't have a creator since that
assumes something exists before existence - which is absurd.

I am not saying that something exists before existence. God exists at the beginning of time. That is one solution. Another solution requires a singularity.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:51 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:23 am
You have just expressed a massive contradiction.
1) It is not clear that the universe had a beginning at all.

It is clear!

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:23 am 2) Let's say it had a beginning. If that is true then you can't have a creator since that
assumes something exists before existence - which is absurd.

I am not saying that something exists before existence. God exists at the beginning of time. That is one solution. Another solution requires a singularity.

You have no solution here.

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:18 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:51 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm
It is clear!


I am not saying that something exists before existence. God exists at the beginning of time. That is one solution. Another solution requires a singularity.

You have no solution here.

Ok, as you wish!

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:17 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:18 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:51 pm

You have no solution here.

Ok, as you wish!

As long as you are happy with your contradiction that's fine by me.

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:23 am

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:07 am
There is no doubt that the universe has a beginning. So either there existed something in the beginning or nothing to something is possible or God created everything from nothing.


The creator of everything from nothing.

You have just expressed a massive contradiction.
1) It is not clear that the universe had a beginning at all.

It is clear!

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:23 am 2) Let's say it had a beginning. If that is true then you can't have a creator since that
assumes something exists before existence - which is absurd.

I am not saying that something exists before existence. God exists at the beginning of time. That is one solution.

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm Another solution requires a singularity.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:22 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:07 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:52 pm
I don't even have a God.

But here 'you' were TELLING 'us' what (your) God COULD, and COULD NOT, DO.

And 'now' you INFORM us that you did NOT even have a God.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:52 pm Maybe a Goddess, but not a God.

So, now, you may have a Goddess.

So could this Goddess, of 'yours', REALLY be REAL to the one here known as "atla"?

If yes, then are 'you', now, BRAVE ENOUGH to EXPLAIN what LED you to come to this CONCLUSION and/or BELIEF of 'yours' here "atla"?

Or are you STILL just to SCARED and AFRAID TO just be OPEN and Honest, and ANSWER?

I was never talking about my God. Didn't you learn anything about making assumptions?

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:01 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:17 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:18 pm
Ok, as you wish!

As long as you are happy with your contradiction that's fine by me.

As far as you are happy with your non-understanding that is fine by me.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:28 am

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:23 am
You have just expressed a massive contradiction.
1) It is not clear that the universe had a beginning at all.

It is clear!

Explain to the rest of us how 'it is clear' that the Universe had a beginning.

In other words what actual proof is there that the Universe had a beginning?

And, if you have NO proof AT ALL, then what are you using as evidence that the Universe had a beginning?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:28 am

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:23 am 2) Let's say it had a beginning. If that is true then you can't have a creator since that
assumes something exists before existence - which is absurd.

I am not saying that something exists before existence. God exists at the beginning of time. That is one solution.

That is just ABSURD and NONSENSICAL. That is NOT a solution AT ALL.

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm Another solution requires a singularity.

Which in NO way fits in with a creator. OBVIOUSLY a creator has to exist BEFORE ANY creations could have been created.

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:16 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:28 am

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm
It is clear!

Explain to the rest of us how 'it is clear' that the Universe had a beginning.

In other words what actual proof is there that the Universe had a beginning?

And, if you have NO proof AT ALL, then what are you using as evidence that the Universe had a beginning?

We have been through all this several times. Don't you remember?

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:16 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:28 am

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm
I am not saying that something exists before existence. God exists at the beginning of time. That is one solution.

That is just ABSURD and NONSENSICAL. That is NOT a solution AT ALL.

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:21 pm Another solution requires a singularity.

Which in NO way fits in with a creator. OBVIOUSLY a creator has to exist BEFORE ANY creations could have been created.

No, that leads to a regress in the creation of time.

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:16 pm That is logically impossible unless you accept the singularity.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 2:02 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:16 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:28 am

Explain to the rest of us how 'it is clear' that the Universe had a beginning.

In other words what actual proof is there that the Universe had a beginning?

And, if you have NO proof AT ALL, then what are you using as evidence that the Universe had a beginning?

We have been through all this several times. Don't you remember?

AND, just like ALL of the other times you have, ONCE AGAIN, FAILED ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' AT ALL here. THUS, leaving YOUR CLAIM here that 'it is clear' existing IN 'you' ALONE.

you have FAILED, AGAIN ABSOLUTELY, in providing ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' AT ALL how the Universe, laughably, could have even had a beginning. So, this CLAIM ALSO you have based on ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL except on YOUR OWN BELIEF-system.

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:16 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:28 am

That is just ABSURD and NONSENSICAL. That is NOT a solution AT ALL.


Which in NO way fits in with a creator. OBVIOUSLY a creator has to exist BEFORE ANY creations could have been created.

No, that leads to a regress in the creation of time.

It does NOT MATTER.

A 'regress' does NOT MEAN IMPOSSIBILITY, like you OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE 'it' DOES.

BUT, PLEASE FEEL FREE to continue on BELIEVING WHATEVER you WANT TO BELIEVE is true.

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 1:16 pm That is logically impossible unless you accept the singularity.

BUT for 'the singularity' to ACTUALLY WORK, and BE POSSIBLE, like 'it' IS, then you WILL HAVE TO CHANGE your IMAGINING of what 'singularity' MEANS and REFERS TO, EXACTLY.