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Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:52 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:52 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:30 am How could the so-called "nazi's" annihilation of "jews" have absolutely ANY thing at all to do with 'race'?

If being a so-called "jew", "muslim", or "christian" has ANY thing at all to do with 'race', then how exactly?

Well, that might be a good question to have asked the Nazis who clearly thought the Jews were a race. Christianity is not race based. It might have been Jewish in the beginning, but long before the Nazis were destroying their own country and many people elsewhere, Christianity was clearly followed by many races Yes, there are some Jews who are not racially Jewish. But these people were not in Germany, for the most part, and were not a threat, and certainly not the internal one the Nazis were obsessed with. Islam while associated with Arabs not race based and easy to join. To become a Jew you have to be tested and go through a rather intense process, especially if you have not been circumcized. You do not have to get rid of your foreskin in Islam. To become a Christian you can just start attending a church or even just follow the religion in your own way. Of course, some Christians might think you need to be baptized. But there is no agreement about what one must do and there is nothing like an adult circumcisn,

Was ANY of this meant to be an 'answer' to both, or either, of my two questions here?

If yes, then which part/s, exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:52 pm

ANY adult human being can CHOOSE to have and maintain religious views or beliefs like "jewish" ones, "christian" ones, or "muslim" ones.

Sure. But that doesn't mean there isn't a racial component in actually being Jewish.

The clarifying question I asked above was; If being a so-called "jew" has ANY thing at all to do with 'race', then how exactly?

Which could also be asked as; If there is a racial component in actually being "jewish", then what is that 'component', EXACTLY?

You did write above; "To become a "jew" you HAVE TO be 'tested', and go through a rather intense process".

Now, what 'test' does one HAVE TO do, and pass, to THEN become a "jew", and, what EXACTLY is the "rather intense process"?

Also, are there ANY 'racial components' here?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:52 pm

So, if someone wants to annihilate a human being or human beings of some 'religion', then what 'religion' a human being has CHOSEN to follow or BELIEVE IN, then this can only happen ACCURATELY through CLARIFYING QUESTIONING, and absolute TOTAL Honesty, and NOT through 'race' AT ALL.

The Nazis didn't care what Jews believed.

LOL Besides the Fact that this is completely AND utterly MISSING MY POINT, some might argue that the so-called "nazis" ACTUALLY were caring, and A LOT, what "others" were thinking and BELIEVING.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:52 pm Secular atheist jews were killed in large numbers. In many countries on the Axis side conversion to say Catholicism was absolutely no protection.

Okay, but AGAIN if this has absolutely ANY thing at all to do with what I said and which you quoted me here saying, then what EXACTLY is 'that'?

By the way, and just out of CURIOSITY, what is 'it' EXACTLY do you think or believe I am saying here, EXACTLY?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:52 pm The races laws were blood laws, thus genetic laws.

What does this even mean and what is this even referring to EXACTLY, in relation to what I ACTUALLY said and wrote here above?

You (both) may be thinking of modern day Jews. In the 1930’s almost all Jews were of the same bloodline, presumably making them racially related. This should shed some light on all your questions, Iwanna.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:05 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:01 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:30 am How could the so-called "nazi's" annihilation of "jews" have absolutely ANY thing at all to do with 'race'?

If being a so-called "jew", "muslim", or "christian" has ANY thing at all to do with 'race', then how exactly?

ANY adult human being can CHOOSE to have and maintain religious views or beliefs like "jewish" ones, "christian" ones, or "muslim" ones.

So, if someone wants to annihilate a human being or human beings of some 'religion', then what 'religion' a human being has CHOSEN to follow or BELIEVE IN, then this can only happen ACCURATELY through CLARIFYING QUESTIONING, and absolute TOTAL Honesty, and NOT through 'race' AT ALL.

And, with enough CLARIFYING QUESTIONING, and absolute TOTAL Honesty, then what each 'religion' entails ACTUALLY could NOT be done ACCURATELY and IN AGREEMENT.

Furthermore, 'race' is ALSO NOT even an ACTUAL 'thing', which could be SEPARATED, DISTINGUISHED APART, and IDENTIFIED ACCURATELY IN AGREEMENT, either.

I just wanted to comment on your point that a person can choose their religion or religious beliefs.

I believe that in the early twentieth century a Jew was a person borne of two Jewish parents, who each were borne of two Jewish parents, and so on all the way back to the first ones who met this criteria.

For the most part there was no choice, only a fact of birth. Intermarriage and conversion were negligible sources of Jews.

Of course your remarks that religion can be a matter of choice is correct at the present time.

What EXACTLY is even a "jew"?

What does the word "jewish" even mean or refer to in the words "being jewish"?

LOOK AT these questions from the perspective that I am the MOST IGNORANT and STUPID one there is.

You used the words, "who met this criteria", so what is the EXACT 'criteria' for "being jewish"?

Today I suppose anyone can self-identify as being Jewish if they wish to follow Jewish rituals and adhere to Jewish beliefs. That, actually, is very loose criteria. I don’t use that definition or criteria when referencing Jews prior to 1948.

Traditionally, being Jewish was exclusively a characteristic of birth. The criteria was simply having two Jewish parents, each of two Jewish parents themselves, and so on.

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:57 pm Traditionally, being Jewish was exclusively a characteristic of birth. The criteria was simply having two Jewish parents, each of two Jewish parents themselves, and so on.

Small correction. At any point in history you could convert to Judaism.

Only one Jewish parent is required to be *born Jewish* -- the mother. The logic? Delightfully Yiddish. You can't know for sure who the father is, but you can definitely determine the mother.

However, there is another branch of Judaism: Reform, tracing its origins back to the 1700-1800s which recognizes that if either parent is Jewish then the child is considered Jewish. But the Orthodox and Conservative Judaism don't recognize that.

You can immigrate to Israel if any one of your parents, grandparents or great-grandparents were Jewish, but if your mother was not Jewish and you have not formerly converted (the correct pronunciation is convoited) under an Orthodox conversion, you may be Israeli but not considered Jewish by the Orthodox.
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Now on to the jokes . . .

So there were two rather broke Jews who saw a sign "Convert to Christianity today and we'll pay you $1,000.00!"

Shmuel sees the sign and says to Abram: "I'm doing it! With the money I'll be able to pay down my synagogue dues!"

He leaves Abram there waiting and goes in. Hours pass. Then evening comes. Finally Shmuel shows up.

Abram asks excitedly, "So, did you get the money?". Shmuel is stony-faced and silent.

"Well? Did they pay you?"

Still silent but with irritated, sidelong glances.

"Did you get the money or didn't you?!?"

Shmuel turns to him and snaps: "Is that all you people think about?!?"

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:52 am I refuse to 'quote' that long-winded load of bollocks. Blah blah ''age''

So, if you were at home and someone broke in and attacked you, you would only describe that 'person' to the police as a collection of 'person-shaped atoms'? If the person was Asian you wouldn't be able to see that? You wouldn't be capable of telling the police if the person was black or white, because there's no such thing? Wow. You would be a terrific witness

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just how often these human beings, back in the olden days, would make ASSUMPTIONS, which although were completely and utterly PURELY False, Wrong, and even TOTALLY Incorrect, they would still BELIEVE that their OWN made up ASSUMPTION was TRUE, which is WHY they would be continually led SO FAR ASTRAY from what thee ACTUAL Truth IS EXACTLY, and so WHY they remained SO LOST and SO CONFUSED for as LONG as they did.

Absolutely NOTHING you ASSUMED and CLAIMED here was even remotely close to what thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' IS here.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:51 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:52 am I refuse to 'quote' that long-winded load of bollocks. Blah blah ''age''

So, if you were at home and someone broke in and attacked you, you would only describe that 'person' to the police as a collection of 'person-shaped atoms'? If the person was Asian you wouldn't be able to see that? You wouldn't be capable of telling the police if the person was black or white, because there's no such thing? Wow. You would be a terrific witness

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just how often these human beings, back in the olden days, would make ASSUMPTIONS, which although were completely and utterly PURELY False, Wrong, and even TOTALLY Incorrect, they would still BELIEVE that their OWN made up ASSUMPTION was TRUE, which is WHY they would be continually led SO FAR ASTRAY from what thee ACTUAL Truth IS EXACTLY, and so WHY they remained SO LOST and SO CONFUSED for as LONG as they did.

Absolutely NOTHING you ASSUMED and CLAIMED here was even remotely close to what thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' IS here.

'Thee' is an old form of 'you'. I just thought you should be aware of that.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:54 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:53 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:06 pm If she had said the holocaust was not "JUST "about race then she would have been spot on.

Jews have turned the holocaust into a personal fetish and for decades the many other vicitms of the holocaust have been forgotten in Israel's attempt to OWN the holocaust for their own political advantage.
The "apartheid" * government of Israel is under continual pressue to find justification for it persecution of Palestinians and to cover up its own massacres and oppression.

But there is along list of voiceless victms; Homosexuals including lesbians;

How could so-called "lesbians" not be included under the label "homosexuals", to you?

Because amongst others there is a long held misconception that "homo" means "man", which in fact is does in Latin. This has meant that people have misunderstood the world "homosexual" as relating to men, which is does not. Homo in this context means "same" and comes from Greek.

So, the answer to you is the word "lesbians" IS included under the label "homosexuals", correct?

And, what has "other's" MISCONCEPTIONS got to do with the clarifying question I asked you specifically?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:54 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:06 pm other "sexual deviants";

Is being a "homosexual", to you, a "sexual deviant"?

No. We are talking about Nazis and their categories. For what it is worth I do not readily accept the concept "race" either.

And, could a "heterosexual" be a "sexual deviant" as well?

If no, then WHY NOT?

I do not accept the concept of sexual deviancy. There are categories of sexual practice that are no acceptible to society such as pedophilia, but the term "deviant" is not useful.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:06 pm Mentally handicapped people;

Do you know of ANY one who does not have some sort of 'mental handicap'?

If yes, then who are they, exactly?

I do not think this needs its own answer - These are categories of Nazis.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:06 pm Physically handicapped people;

If ANY sees a human being as having a so-called "physical handicap", then do they also consider that that body that they are in is ALSO "physically handicapped"?

If no, then WHY NOT?

I do not think this needs its own answer - These are categories of Nazis.

Surely, that two armed body WOULD BE "physically handicapped" to a four or six armed human body, correct?

Or, does their OWN VERY NARROWED thinking NOT ALLOW them to SEE 'things' how they ACTUALLY ARE?

I do not think this needs its own answer - These are categories of Nazis.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:06 pm Gypsies;

WHY are human beings who just choose to travel around a bit more than other human beings choose to do are being called and labelled "victims" or "voiceless victims" here, EXACTLY?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:06 pm Black and Brown people;

Besides the Fact that there has NEVER existed ANY so-called "black" NOR "brown" human being, using the phrase, name, and label "black and brown people" is even MORE of a MISNOMER. And, to use such terms is just ABSURD, RIDICULOUS, ILLOGICAL, and NONSENSICAL to the VERY EXTREME.

I do not think this needs its own answer - These are categories of Nazis.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:06 pm Slavic people;

Again, learn and understand FULLY what 'you' 'people' ARE, EXACTLY', then one can very quickly SEE there is NO such 'thing' as "slavic people".

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:06 pm Communist and Socialist party activists;

How, exactly, are those human beings who actively 'argue' or 'fight' for a particular 'way of living' "victims"?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:06 pm Freemasons;

What is a "freemason", EXACTLY?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:06 pm Spanish Republicans.

Is there a difference between a so-called 'spanish republican" and ANY other "type" of "republican"?

If yes, then what EXACTLY is the difference?

PLONK

If you were talking ONLY from an ASSUMED 'perspective' from just ANOTHER 'human being' who has ALSO just had ANOTHER 'label' PLACED upon 'them', and this time the "nazi" 'label', then my questions would NOT have been asked to 'you', specifically. But there was NO indication, which I could see anyway, that you talking from the 'perspective' of a so-called "nazi".

Anyway, those 'labels' are STILL in use, in the days when this was being written, so those questions can still remain for now, for those of 'you', human beings, who still LOOK AT and SEE "others" as those 'names' or 'labels', instead of just human bodies, with thoughts and emotions within.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:00 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:51 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:52 am I refuse to 'quote' that long-winded load of bollocks. Blah blah ''age''

So, if you were at home and someone broke in and attacked you, you would only describe that 'person' to the police as a collection of 'person-shaped atoms'? If the person was Asian you wouldn't be able to see that? You wouldn't be capable of telling the police if the person was black or white, because there's no such thing? Wow. You would be a terrific witness

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just how often these human beings, back in the olden days, would make ASSUMPTIONS, which although were completely and utterly PURELY False, Wrong, and even TOTALLY Incorrect, they would still BELIEVE that their OWN made up ASSUMPTION was TRUE, which is WHY they would be continually led SO FAR ASTRAY from what thee ACTUAL Truth IS EXACTLY, and so WHY they remained SO LOST and SO CONFUSED for as LONG as they did.

Absolutely NOTHING you ASSUMED and CLAIMED here was even remotely close to what thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' IS here.

'Thee' is an old form of 'you'. I just thought you should be aware of that.

'Gay' is an old word of 'fun'. But the meanings of the words CHANGE. Just like absolutely EVERY thing else, including thee Universe, Itself, CHANGES. Did you need to be made aware of this?

To me, I use the 'thee' word, NOW, as I have INFORMED 'you' ALREADY, to refer to, and to HIGHLIGHT, that what I am referring to is, specifically, One of ONLY. This will become MUCH CLEARER when I explain, in far more depth, how there is ONLY One True 'Self', which is, ACTUALLY, 'Thee', and WHY the word 'thee' was used, back in the olden days, to 'you', as a form of 'you'. That is; when, and IF, 'you' are still around to LEARN and UNDERSTAND who and what the words 'you' and 'I' refer to EXACTLY, then you WILL much better understand My use of 'thee', NOW.

But 'you' are NOT expected to understand absolutely ANY of this, back in the days when this was being written.

However, if ANY one of 'you' were to be Truly CURIOS and Truly INTERESTED in learning and understanding more, then I am more than willing to help you to DISCOVER MORE, by UNCOVERING MORE for 'you'.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:17 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:00 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:51 pm

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just how often these human beings, back in the olden days, would make ASSUMPTIONS, which although were completely and utterly PURELY False, Wrong, and even TOTALLY Incorrect, they would still BELIEVE that their OWN made up ASSUMPTION was TRUE, which is WHY they would be continually led SO FAR ASTRAY from what thee ACTUAL Truth IS EXACTLY, and so WHY they remained SO LOST and SO CONFUSED for as LONG as they did.

Absolutely NOTHING you ASSUMED and CLAIMED here was even remotely close to what thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' IS here.

'Thee' is an old form of 'you'. I just thought you should be aware of that.

'Gay' is an old word of 'fun'. But the meanings of the words CHANGE. Just like absolutely EVERY thing else, including thee Universe, Itself, CHANGES. Did you need to be made aware of this?

To me, I use the 'thee' word, NOW, as I have INFORMED 'you' ALREADY, to refer to, and to HIGHLIGHT, that what I am referring to is, specifically, One of ONLY. This will become MUCH CLEARER when I explain, in far more depth, how there is ONLY One True 'Self', which is, ACTUALLY, 'Thee', and WHY the word 'thee' was used, back in the olden days, to 'you', as a form of 'you'. That is; when, and IF, 'you' are still around to LEARN and UNDERSTAND who and what the words 'you' and 'I' refer to EXACTLY, then you WILL much better understand My use of 'thee', NOW.

But 'you' are NOT expected to understand absolutely ANY of this, back in the days when this was being written.

However, if ANY one of 'you' were to be Truly CURIOS and Truly INTERESTED in learning and understanding more, then I am more than willing to help you to DISCOVER MORE, by UNCOVERING MORE for 'you'.

The meaning of 'thee' is the meaning of 'thee'. No one gives a flying fuck what you have 'decided' it should mean. Fuckwit.

Veganman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:58 pm Racism is just an excuse to dominate and to feel superior for one purpose or another. So yes, the Holocaust was about racism, but the fact that they were Jews is irrelevant in my opinion, they could have been any race, creed or religion.

But this topic title NEVER mentioned absolutely ANY thing about 'racism'.

This topic title talks about 'race'.

My POINT IS if there is ANY 'race' among 'you', human beings, then what EXACTLY are the DISTINGUISHING 'features' one could use to ACCURATELY determine these DIFFERENT "races" that 'you', human beings, have come up with and SUPPOSEDLY also 'see'?

I am also POINTING OUT that if you did NOT make up these, to me, make-believe "races", then 'racism', itself, would just cease to exist, forever more by the way.

Now, if ANY one of 'you' wants to kill off, wipe out, or just TALK ABOUT some SUPPOSED "other" "race", then surely 'you' could be ABLE to inform us of what the DISTINGUISHING 'features' of this, SUPPOSED, "other" "race" is EXACTLY?

And, if ANY one wants to kill off, wipe out, or just TALK ABOUT 'people' of DIFFERENT 'creed' or 'religion', then surely they to could be ABLE to inform us of what 'it' is EXACTLY that DIFFERENTIATES those, SUPPOSED, DIFFERENT 'creeds' or 'religions', correct?

Otherwise they could be accused of NOT ACTUALLY REALLY KNOWING what they are TALKING ABOUT, right?

Veganman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:58 pm I think that what's currently going on in China proves that the persecution and annihilation of a particular people is done for domination,

When you say here, "a particular people". What "people" are you TALKING ABOUT? And, how do you, personally, DISTINGUISH "those people" from ALL the other 'people' on the planet?

And, if NOT wiping out to extinction a whole group of CHOSEN 'ones', or 'peoples', is NOT for 'domination', itself, then what other possible reason could there be for wanting to just ANNIHILATE a whole group of so-called "other human beings"?

Veganman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:58 pm the fact that these people are different in some way only helps to serve the purpose.

Is ANY one ABLE to inform me of how "these people" are ACTUALLY DIFFERENT in some way from the REST of 'you', OTHER human beings, or peoples?

If yes, then WILL 'you'?

Veganman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:58 pm The same could be said for what we do to other creatures, which is called speciesism.

Like 'racism' ONLY EXISTS because 'you', adult human beings, "see", group, and class, 'you', human beings, into some IMAGINARY SEPARATED DIFFERENT 'groups' of "race", 'speciesim' ALSO ONLY EXISTS because, again, 'you', adult human beings, "see", group, and class, thee One and ONLY True 'Thing' into some IMAGINARY SEPARATED DIFFERENT 'groups' of "species".

This behavior is just ACTUALLY 'SEPARATISM', itself. Which, as 'you' are well aware, in the days of when this is being written, causes a 'hell of a lot of troubles and issues', as some would say.

Although, being ABLE to 'break down' and 'see' 'things' SEPARATELY from, SUPPOSED, "other things" was a Truly NATURAL process of evolution, so that thee one and ONLY One could make sense of this one and ONLY Universe and also be able to come to KNOW thy Self, FULLY and ACCURATELY, continuing to "see" 'things' SEPARATELY is what allows SOME 'things' to BELIEVE that "they" are somehow "better" or "more dominant" than "another".

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:21 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:17 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:00 pm

'Thee' is an old form of 'you'. I just thought you should be aware of that.

'Gay' is an old word of 'fun'. But the meanings of the words CHANGE. Just like absolutely EVERY thing else, including thee Universe, Itself, CHANGES. Did you need to be made aware of this?

To me, I use the 'thee' word, NOW, as I have INFORMED 'you' ALREADY, to refer to, and to HIGHLIGHT, that what I am referring to is, specifically, One of ONLY. This will become MUCH CLEARER when I explain, in far more depth, how there is ONLY One True 'Self', which is, ACTUALLY, 'Thee', and WHY the word 'thee' was used, back in the olden days, to 'you', as a form of 'you'. That is; when, and IF, 'you' are still around to LEARN and UNDERSTAND who and what the words 'you' and 'I' refer to EXACTLY, then you WILL much better understand My use of 'thee', NOW.

But 'you' are NOT expected to understand absolutely ANY of this, back in the days when this was being written.

However, if ANY one of 'you' were to be Truly CURIOS and Truly INTERESTED in learning and understanding more, then I am more than willing to help you to DISCOVER MORE, by UNCOVERING MORE for 'you'.

The meaning of 'thee' is the meaning of 'thee'. No one gives a flying fuck what you have 'decided' it should mean. Fuckwit.

And, the meaning of 'gay' is the meaning of 'gay'. And, NO one gives a so-called "flying fuck" what 'you' have 'decided' it should mean. Okay?

By the way, the meaning of 'flying fuck' MEANS inserting the penis into the vagina while in flight. And, do 'you' envision ANY one cares what 'you' have 'decided' it means?

EVERY time ANY one 'tries to' CLAIM words MEAN just one 'particular thing' ALWAYS end up CONTRADICTING "themselves". As just PROVED True here ONCE AGAIN.

The meaning of absolutely EVERY word MEANS what 'you', human beings, DECIDE 'it' means.

So, WHATEVER the meaning of the 'thee' word to 'you' is does NOT necessarily mean that that is the EXACT SAME meaning to "another". Understood?

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:44 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:52 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:52 pm Well, that might be a good question to have asked the Nazis who clearly thought the Jews were a race. Christianity is not race based. It might have been Jewish in the beginning, but long before the Nazis were destroying their own country and many people elsewhere, Christianity was clearly followed by many races Yes, there are some Jews who are not racially Jewish. But these people were not in Germany, for the most part, and were not a threat, and certainly not the internal one the Nazis were obsessed with. Islam while associated with Arabs not race based and easy to join. To become a Jew you have to be tested and go through a rather intense process, especially if you have not been circumcized. You do not have to get rid of your foreskin in Islam. To become a Christian you can just start attending a church or even just follow the religion in your own way. Of course, some Christians might think you need to be baptized. But there is no agreement about what one must do and there is nothing like an adult circumcisn,

Was ANY of this meant to be an 'answer' to both, or either, of my two questions here?

If yes, then which part/s, exactly?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:52 pm
Sure. But that doesn't mean there isn't a racial component in actually being Jewish.

The clarifying question I asked above was; If being a so-called "jew" has ANY thing at all to do with 'race', then how exactly?

Which could also be asked as; If there is a racial component in actually being "jewish", then what is that 'component', EXACTLY?

You did write above; "To become a "jew" you HAVE TO be 'tested', and go through a rather intense process".

Now, what 'test' does one HAVE TO do, and pass, to THEN become a "jew", and, what EXACTLY is the "rather intense process"?

Also, are there ANY 'racial components' here?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:52 pm The Nazis didn't care what Jews believed.

LOL Besides the Fact that this is completely AND utterly MISSING MY POINT, some might argue that the so-called "nazis" ACTUALLY were caring, and A LOT, what "others" were thinking and BELIEVING.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:52 pm Secular atheist jews were killed in large numbers. In many countries on the Axis side conversion to say Catholicism was absolutely no protection.

Okay, but AGAIN if this has absolutely ANY thing at all to do with what I said and which you quoted me here saying, then what EXACTLY is 'that'?

By the way, and just out of CURIOSITY, what is 'it' EXACTLY do you think or believe I am saying here, EXACTLY?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:52 pm The races laws were blood laws, thus genetic laws.

What does this even mean and what is this even referring to EXACTLY, in relation to what I ACTUALLY said and wrote here above?

You (both) may be thinking of modern day Jews.

I am NOT.

1. As 'your' version of "modern day" is VERY DIFFERENT to mine.

2. I was NOT thinking of ANY thing in relation to the word "jews". This is WHY I was actually asking the CLARIFYING questions, which I was.

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:44 pm In the 1930’s almost all Jews were of the same bloodline, presumably making them racially related.

Which appears to TOTALLY and ABSOLUTELY CONTRADICT the post prior to this one, where you wrote; “Jews” meant “transients” rather than persons of Jewish dissent or Jewish blood? So, which one is more correct? Or, am I just misreading or misinterpreting here?

And, if ANY one wants to delve deep enough into so-called "blood lines", then do they ALL trace back along One line to the EXACT SAME so-called "beginning"?

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:44 pm This should shed some light on all your questions, Iwanna.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:45 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:04 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:58 pm

It's more than that. Non Jewish Russian non compatants is more than the 6 million estimated Jews.
Have you noticed, as I have that the other classes of people rarely if ever get mentioned?

Yes. And I initially heard that there were 12 million deaths and only the Jews were mentioned.

WHy are the other groups ignored?

No idea.

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:16 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:45 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:04 am

Yes. And I initially heard that there were 12 million deaths and only the Jews were mentioned.

WHy are the other groups ignored?

No idea.

Who's ignoring them?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:48 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:21 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:17 pm

'Gay' is an old word of 'fun'. But the meanings of the words CHANGE. Just like absolutely EVERY thing else, including thee Universe, Itself, CHANGES. Did you need to be made aware of this?

To me, I use the 'thee' word, NOW, as I have INFORMED 'you' ALREADY, to refer to, and to HIGHLIGHT, that what I am referring to is, specifically, One of ONLY. This will become MUCH CLEARER when I explain, in far more depth, how there is ONLY One True 'Self', which is, ACTUALLY, 'Thee', and WHY the word 'thee' was used, back in the olden days, to 'you', as a form of 'you'. That is; when, and IF, 'you' are still around to LEARN and UNDERSTAND who and what the words 'you' and 'I' refer to EXACTLY, then you WILL much better understand My use of 'thee', NOW.

But 'you' are NOT expected to understand absolutely ANY of this, back in the days when this was being written.

However, if ANY one of 'you' were to be Truly CURIOS and Truly INTERESTED in learning and understanding more, then I am more than willing to help you to DISCOVER MORE, by UNCOVERING MORE for 'you'.

The meaning of 'thee' is the meaning of 'thee'. No one gives a flying fuck what you have 'decided' it should mean. Fuckwit.

And, the meaning of 'gay' is the meaning of 'gay'. And, NO one gives a so-called "flying fuck" what 'you' have 'decided' it should mean. Okay?

By the way, the meaning of 'flying fuck' MEANS inserting the penis into the vagina while in flight. And, do 'you' envision ANY one cares what 'you' have 'decided' it means?

EVERY time ANY one 'tries to' CLAIM words MEAN just one 'particular thing' ALWAYS end up CONTRADICTING "themselves". As just PROVED True here ONCE AGAIN.

The meaning of absolutely EVERY word MEANS what 'you', human beings, DECIDE 'it' means.

So, WHATEVER the meaning of the 'thee' word to 'you' is does NOT necessarily mean that that is the EXACT SAME meaning to "another". Understood?

Then what is your own, personal 'meaning' of 'thee' dear man?
ps. The meaning of the word 'gay' hasn't changed.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:46 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:57 pm Traditionally, being Jewish was exclusively a characteristic of birth. The criteria was simply having two Jewish parents, each of two Jewish parents themselves, and so on.

Small correction. At any point in history you could convert to Judaism.

Only one Jewish parent is required to be *born Jewish* -- the mother. The logic? Delightfully Yiddish. You can't know for sure who the father is, but you can definitely determine the mother.

However, there is another branch of Judaism: Reform, tracing its origins back to the 1700-1800s which recognizes that if either parent is Jewish then the child is considered Jewish. But the Orthodox and Conservative Judaism don't recognize that.

You can immigrate to Israel if any one of your parents, grandparents or great-grandparents were Jewish, but if your mother was not Jewish and you have not formerly converted (the correct pronunciation is convoited) under an Orthodox conversion, you may be Israeli but not considered Jewish by the Orthodox.
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Now on to the jokes . . .

So there were two rather broke Jews who saw a sign "Convert to Christianity today and we'll pay you $1,000.00!"

Shmuel sees the sign and says to Abram: "I'm doing it! With the money I'll be able to pay down my synagogue dues!"

He leaves Abram there waiting and goes in. Hours pass. Then evening comes. Finally Shmuel shows up.

Abram asks excitedly, "So, did you get the money?". Shmuel is stony-faced and silent.

"Well? Did they pay you?"

Still silent but with irritated, sidelong glances.

"Did you get the money or didn't you?!?"

Shmuel turns to him and snaps: "Is that all you people think about?!?"

Thank you for the reminders. Conversion has always been an option, as I mentioned in an earlier post, but was not a significant source of Jews. Prior to the establishment of the State of Israel, I believe there was no Jewish law referencing the mother only, but feel free to correct me if need be.