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henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:08 am

What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?

Can you be against slavery and for taxes?

What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?

yep

Can you be against slavery and for taxes?

not if you understand slavery and taxation are the same, you can't

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:19 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:08 am

What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?

Can you be against slavery and for taxes?

As I had stated your views are narrow, shallow and rhetorical.

ALL humans are evolved with the potential impulse to find similarities and patterns in different things to facilitate survival.
But is it cognitive blindness to be stuck with this similarities impulse most of the time, especially when differentiation in its relevant context is necessary and critical.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:40 am What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?

yep

Can you be against slavery and for taxes?

not if you understand slavery and taxation are the same, you can't

People are born free beings. People are totally free to be slaves.

There is nothing wrong with you.

If there was something wrong with you, then it would be wrong to impose wrongness on the unborn.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:25 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:40 am What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?

yep

Can you be against slavery and for taxes?

not if you understand slavery and taxation are the same, you can't

People are born free beings. People are totally free to be slaves.

There is nothing wrong with you.

If there was something wrong with you, then it would be wrong to impose wrongness on the unborn.

Freedom must be overridden by morality.
Slavery [chattel] is morally wrong.
Therefore morally, one cannot have the freedom to be a slave or to enslave, which is the same as no moral freedom to kill humans or be killed.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:44 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:25 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:40 am What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?

yep

Can you be against slavery and for taxes?

not if you understand slavery and taxation are the same, you can't

People are born free beings. People are totally free to be slaves.

There is nothing wrong with you.

If there was something wrong with you, then it would be wrong to impose wrongness on the unborn.

Freedom must be overridden by morality.
Slavery [chattel] is morally wrong.
Therefore morally, one cannot have the freedom to be a slave or to enslave, which is the same as no moral freedom to kill humans or be killed.

Freedom and Slavery is a ''Belief'' in this conception.

In reality, no one is free, no one is enslaved.

That which appears as free, was never free.

That which appears as enslaved, was never enslaved.

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It’s no coincidence that man’s best friend cannot talk.

Conception is a con..only a con can con a con.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:06 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:45 am The most rational bases of morality is our common biology, that which supports life is moral that which negates life in whatever degree is wrong.

What is "rational" about that?

I'm not asking because I disagree with "that which supports life is moral . . ." I'm asking because I don't see what's "rational" about it.

First it would be a good idea to question one's self as to what is the rationale of morality. Give a reasonable answer to that question, and perhaps we might continue our dialogue.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:07 am

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:19 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:08 am

What's the difference between forcing someone to work and produce for you (slavery) and simply confiscating what someone has produced on their own (taxes). Aren't they both theft?

Can you be against slavery and for taxes?

As I had stated your views are narrow, shallow and rhetorical.

ALL humans are evolved with the potential impulse to find similarities and patterns in different things to facilitate survival.
But is it cognitive blindness to be stuck with this similarities impulse most of the time, especially when differentiation in its relevant context is necessary and critical.

Blather!

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:55 pm Blather!

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:05 am

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:06 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:45 am The most rational bases of morality is our common biology, that which supports life is moral that which negates life in whatever degree is wrong.

What is "rational" about that?

I'm not asking because I disagree with "that which supports life is moral . . ." I'm asking because I don't see what's "rational" about it.

First it would be a good idea to question one's self as to what is the rationale of morality. Give a reasonable answer to that question, and perhaps we might continue our dialogue.

On my view morality consists of dispositions towards interpersonal behavior, dispositions of approval/disapproval, etc., that one considers more significant than etiquette. There is no universal "rationale." It's just a way that our brains happen to work.

People are totally free to be slaves

I don't know if that's so

yes, a man can turn himself over to another, allow himself to be used or abused, but, as I say, in his gut and bones he knows he is his own, and I don't think he can choose to forget this deep intuition or ever fully accept that he is property

seems to me, mebbe, a man isn't free to be a slave

he can pretend he is, mebbe resign himself to a circumstance, but it seems to me this violation of his life, his self, will gnaw at him

I think he'd have to have a large, powerful, motivation to allow his own enslavement

mebbe, he allows it to preserve his life today so that he might escape tomorrow

mebbe, he allows it so that a loved one can escape the leash

patience, self-sacrifice (love)

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:55 pm People are totally free to be slaves

I don't know if that's so

That's like saying, "People are totally dry if they're wet."

If he's free, then by definition, he's not a slave.

If he's a slave, then by definition, he's not free.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:44 am Slavery [chattel] is morally wrong.

What's your evidence of that?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:05 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:55 pm People are totally free to be slaves

I don't know if that's so

That's like saying, "People are totally dry if they're wet."

If he's free, then by definition, he's not a slave.

If he's a slave, then by definition, he's not free.

If you have to pay for something it’s not free.

Life comes at a price.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:38 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:05 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:55 pm People are totally free to be slaves

I don't know if that's so

That's like saying, "People are totally dry if they're wet."

If he's free, then by definition, he's not a slave.

If he's a slave, then by definition, he's not free.

If you have to pay for something it’s not free.

Life comes at a price.

Tu dis n'importe quoi.