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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:01 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:55 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:16 am
You can rely on your own common sense, the arithmetic, the counting FSK by your fingers.

Surely you can feel and experience the difference when you use one finger and two or more fingers?
There is also the difference to pointing with one finger and many fingers.
The existence of one finger can be corresponded with other singular unit of things and similarly multiple fingers with multiple things.

I said the experience of number 1, not one finger.

How are numbers purely experienced?

But what fsk justifies the counting fsk?

There is no such thing as an absolutely absolute number that is independent of the human mind. As such there is nothing of an absolute number to be experienced.

What the mind can experience is the concept of the number 1 in relation to things.
The grounding of this concept is based on the experience of the different fingers.

Point is counting of numbers is justified by the counting-FSK which is grounded on the experiences of the different fingers and using them to represent corresponding units of objects.

Our primitive ancestors from hundreds of thousands years ago would use one finger like the above image to represent the one sable-toothed-tiger he saw near to bushes to warn his tribe, or use two, three or more finger to correspond to the numbers of dangerous animals he saw.
This is the grounding of the counting FSK which obviously work and humans has adapted it in its evolution.

How come you are SO ignorant of the above and ask such basic questions??

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:50 am

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:48 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:02 am
Not sure of your point?

1. Whatever exists and is experienced can be verified and justified empirically and philosophically within a credible framework and system of knowledge [FSK], example the scientific FSK.

2. In your case i.e. you claimed there is a 'soul' [soul-E] in all humans that survived physical death.

3. But that soul-E had never been justified via 1 above.

4. It is true, all normal humans has a personal mental self which dissolve when the physical self is damage to support it or the physical self is dead.

5. Whatever exists and is experienced as a 'self' [individual ego] is the empirical mental self, not a soul that can survives physical death.

I once experienced my mind too.

You can in one way experience your empirical-mind-that-experiences, but that mind cannot be an independent mind in the sense of the independent soul that survives physical death.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:58 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:01 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:55 am

I said the experience of number 1, not one finger.

How are numbers purely experienced?

But what fsk justifies the counting fsk?

There is no such thing as an absolutely absolute number that is independent of the human mind. As such there is nothing of an absolute number to be experienced.

What the mind can experience is the concept of the number 1 in relation to things.
The grounding of this concept is based on the experience of the different fingers.

Point is counting of numbers is justified by the counting-FSK which is grounded on the experiences of the different fingers and using them to represent corresponding units of objects.

Our primitive ancestors from hundreds of thousands years ago would use one finger like the above image to represent the one sable-toothed-tiger he saw near to bushes to warn his tribe, or use two, three or more finger to correspond to the numbers of dangerous animals he saw.
This is the grounding of the counting FSK which obviously work and humans has adapted it in its evolution.

How come you are SO ignorant of the above and ask such basic questions??

1 exists as independent of the mind as it guides the mind, the mind is a subset of number. The act of counting directs how the mind is moved, as in what and how it is aware of something. Counting directs the mind. It exists as part of a higher consciousness beyond the human mind given the human mind is empty in itself and mathematics are discovered.

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:16 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:50 am

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:48 pm
I once experienced my mind too.

You can in one way experience your empirical-mind-that-experiences, but that mind cannot be an independent mind in the sense of the independent soul that survives physical death.

If that mind is free then it survives death. That follows from the fact that something that is free cannot be created. It then follows that it cannot be destroyed either.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:03 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:58 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:01 am
There is no such thing as an absolutely absolute number that is independent of the human mind. As such there is nothing of an absolute number to be experienced.

What the mind can experience is the concept of the number 1 in relation to things.
The grounding of this concept is based on the experience of the different fingers.

Point is counting of numbers is justified by the counting-FSK which is grounded on the experiences of the different fingers and using them to represent corresponding units of objects.

Our primitive ancestors from hundreds of thousands years ago would use one finger like the above image to represent the one sable-toothed-tiger he saw near to bushes to warn his tribe, or use two, three or more finger to correspond to the numbers of dangerous animals he saw.
This is the grounding of the counting FSK which obviously work and humans has adapted it in its evolution.

How come you are SO ignorant of the above and ask such basic questions??

1 exists as independent of the mind as it guides the mind, the mind is a subset of number. The act of counting directs how the mind is moved, as in what and how it is aware of something. Counting directs the mind. It exists as part of a higher consciousness beyond the human mind given the human mind is empty in itself and mathematics are discovered.

Word salad.

Numbers are subset of the human mind which disappear upon physical death.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:06 am

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:16 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:50 am
You can in one way experience your empirical-mind-that-experiences, but that mind cannot be an independent mind in the sense of the independent soul that survives physical death.

If that mind is free then it survives death. That follows from the fact that something that is free cannot be created. It then follows that it cannot be destroyed either.

So there are free floating minds with a mortuary?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:06 am or billions of them on Earth?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:06 am Show me evidences that such free floating minds exist in a mortuary or in our environment?

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:02 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:06 am

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:16 pm
If that mind is free then it survives death. That follows from the fact that something that is free cannot be created. It then follows that it cannot be destroyed either.

So there are free floating minds with a mortuary?

No, there could be an existent mind. I think that mind experiences in any form. Dead, alive, solid, liquid, etc.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:06 am or billions of them on Earth?

They are many.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:06 am Show me evidences that such free floating minds exist in a mortuary or in our environment?

I can show that the free mind which exists right now cannot be created or destroyed. The story is long. I can guide you to other threads with the proofs within.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:03 am Numbers are subset of the human mind which disappear upon physical death.

The manner of counting which guides the mind exists beyond it. 1+2+3... guides reasoning therefore reason is a subset of it.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:29 am

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:02 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:06 am
So there are free floating minds with a mortuary?

No, there could be an existent mind. I think that mind experiences in any form. Dead, alive, solid, liquid, etc.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:06 am or billions of them on Earth?

They are many.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:06 am Show me evidences that such free floating minds exist in a mortuary or in our environment?

I can show that the free mind which exists right now cannot be created or destroyed. The story is long. I can guide you to other threads with the proofs within.

Not interested that kind of story.
What I am interested is;
Show me solid convincing evidences that such free floating minds exist in a mortuary or in our environment?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:40 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:03 am Numbers are subset of the human mind which disappear upon physical death.

The manner of counting which guides the mind exists beyond it. 1+2+3... guides reasoning therefore reason is a subset of it.

Prove to me there were 'manner of counting' and 'numbers' before there was humans?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:10 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:40 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 pm
The manner of counting which guides the mind exists beyond it. 1+2+3... guides reasoning therefore reason is a subset of it.

Prove to me there were 'manner of counting' and 'numbers' before there was humans?

The succession of a singular event, the big bang (as all information and being stemming from a singular point), to another (after the big bang and the multitude of phenomenon expanding and contracting from nothingness). Counting is succession of one event to another.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:50 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:10 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:40 am
Prove to me there were 'manner of counting' and 'numbers' before there was humans?

The succession of a singular event, the big bang (as all information and being stemming from a singular point), to another (after the big bang and the multitude of phenomenon expanding and contracting from nothingness). Counting is succession of one event to another.

Counting need a counter, don't you know that?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:30 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:50 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:10 am
The succession of a singular event, the big bang (as all information and being stemming from a singular point), to another (after the big bang and the multitude of phenomenon expanding and contracting from nothingness). Counting is succession of one event to another.

Counting need a counter, don't you know that?

Counting is the change of one phenomenon to another, it is a succession of phenomenon as change.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:55 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:30 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:50 am
Counting need a counter, don't you know that?

Counting is the change of one phenomenon to another, it is a succession of phenomenon as change.

Evasive as usual.

Show me at least some credible source to support your above claim?