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Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:34 pm
by Immanuel Can
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:32 pm
Label it however you want.
I prefer to label it as it is.
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:35 pm
by Skepdick
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:34 pm
I prefer to label it as it is.
https://philosophynow.org/issues/46/New ... aser_Sword
you are doing what Bertrand Russell called reasoning about properties of the world from the language used to describe it. This is not a reliable way of finding out how the world actually behaves. Which is why we have Science.
Dumb logocentrist.
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:37 pm
by Immanuel Can
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:35 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:34 pm
I prefer to label it as it is.
you are doing what Bertrand Russell called reasoning about properties of the world from the language used to describe it.
No. I'm just using apt labels.
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:39 pm
by Skepdick
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:37 pm
No. I'm just using apt labels.
In that case, I shall aptly label you "stupid".
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:40 pm
by henry quirk
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:34 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:25 pm
in a capitalism (free enterprise), as you say, we each get to run our operations as we like
even in a state capitalism (what we largely have right now) this is the case
not so in a socialism or state socialism
now: what's your point (other than, as Mannie points, you're a capitalist)?
My point is that while you are bickering over categories, all that the "filthy fucking socialist" want is fucking shares in the businesses they work in.
Which is suddenly way more rational/charitable a position than Stalinism.
it's philosophies, not categories, and: capitalism, even state capitalism, can tolerate socialistic endeavors cuz, as you say, we get to run our operations as we like
capitalism, even state capitalism, promotes innovation and experimentation; socialism/state socialism squelches those things
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:41 pm
by Immanuel Can
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:39 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:37 pm
No. I'm just using apt labels.
In that case, I shall aptly label you "stupid".
Ad hominem.
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:43 pm
by Immanuel Can
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:34 pm
all that the "filthy fucking socialist" want is fucking shares in the businesses they work in.
Which they can't have, because Socialism has no "shares," and no actual "businesses."
They have state-funded, state-run services. That's all.
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:45 pm
by Skepdick
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:43 pm
Which they can't have, because Socialism has no "shares," and no actual "businesses."
My socialism does.
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:46 pm
by Immanuel Can
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:45 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:43 pm
Which they can't have, because Socialism has no "shares," and no actual "businesses."
My socialism does.
"Your" Socialism?
Do tell.
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:48 pm
by Skepdick
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:46 pm
"Your" Socialism?
Do tell.
It's really not that difficult.
Take the Fortune 100 companies. Contrast against all privately-owned businesses (no shareholding).
That's my kind of socialism.
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:50 pm
by henry quirk
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:45 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:43 pm
Which they can't have, because Socialism has no "shares," and no actual "businesses."
My socialism does.
and here we go...
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:52 pm
by Skepdick
henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:50 pm
and here we go...
You don't like it when thing change, do you henry?
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:53 pm
by Immanuel Can
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:48 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:46 pm
"Your" Socialism?
Do tell.
It's really not that difficult.
Take the Fortune 100 companies. Contrast against all privately-owned businesses (no shareholding).
That's my kind of socialism.
You affirm Socialism. But there will be "no shareholding." Yet workers get "shares" in your companies.
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:54 pm
by Skepdick
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:53 pm
You affirm Socialism. But there will be "no shareholding." Yet workers get "shares" in your companies.
Indeed. I confirm collective ownership in the means of production.
Shareholding.
You seem to be having trouble understanding. When you understand you'll be less shocked.
Re: Socialism is the solution: no, it's not
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:56 pm
by henry quirk
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:48 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:46 pm
"Your" Socialism?
Do tell.
It's really not that difficult.
Take the Fortune 100 companies. Contrast against all privately-owned businesses (no shareholding).
That's my kind of socialism.
do any of these F100 companies (talkin' about the owners) formally declare themselves socialists?
no, probably not
more than likely every one of 'em believes him or her -self to be capitalists...capitalists lookin' to retain a good workforce through incentives likes shares
among these F100 companies, who holds the controlling shares?
we both know the answer to that
your
socialism is just a cagey
capitalism