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Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:24 pm
by bahman
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:06 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:38 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:30 pm
How long, you suppose, does it take for a photon to interact with an electron?
So, you do not consider that there are interactions between photons and electrons?
As I said a photon is a packet. The process of interaction takes time and it is continuous.
Assuming that a photon takes time to create does not clarify why you consider that cause and effect have a temporal order where one precedes the other.
There must be a time when both electrons did not react to the presence of the other and at a given moment, both electrons affect each other. Why do you consider one of them to be first cause?
I said vise versa. One electron affects an electron. Another one does the same. In opposite direction.
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:39 pm
by psycho
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:24 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:06 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:38 pm
As I said a photon is a packet. The process of interaction takes time and it is continuous.
Assuming that a photon takes time to create does not clarify why you consider that cause and effect have a temporal order where one precedes the other.
There must be a time when both electrons did not react to the presence of the other and at a given moment, both electrons affect each other. Why do you consider one of them to be first cause?
I said vise versa. One electron affects an electron. Another one does the same. In opposite direction.
And how do you conclude from that that the cause precedes the effect?
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:17 pm
by bahman
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:39 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:24 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:06 pm
Assuming that a photon takes time to create does not clarify why you consider that cause and effect have a temporal order where one precedes the other.
There must be a time when both electrons did not react to the presence of the other and at a given moment, both electrons affect each other. Why do you consider one of them to be first cause?
I said vise versa. One electron affects an electron. Another one does the same. In opposite direction.
And how do you conclude from that that the cause precedes the effect?
Because each electron causes/repels another electron to move away, effect. It however takes time for each cause, emission of a photon, and effect, absorption of a photon.
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:49 pm
by psycho
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:17 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:39 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:24 pm
I said vise versa. One electron affects an electron. Another one does the same. In opposite direction.
And how do you conclude from that that the cause precedes the effect?
Because each electron causes/repels another electron to move away, effect. It however takes time for each cause, emission of a photon, and effect, absorption of a photon.
Is the emission of a photon cause or effect?
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:59 pm
by bahman
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:49 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:17 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:39 pm
And how do you conclude from that that the cause precedes the effect?
Because each electron causes/repels another electron to move away, effect. It however takes time for each cause, emission of a photon, and effect, absorption of a photon.
Is the emission of a photon cause or effect?
The emission is the cause. The effect is absorption.
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:03 pm
by psycho
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:59 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:49 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:17 pm
Because each electron causes/repels another electron to move away, effect. It however takes time for each cause, emission of a photon, and effect, absorption of a photon.
Is the emission of a photon cause or effect?
The emission is the cause. The effect is absorption.
Pero que causó la emisión?
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:37 pm
by psycho
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:59 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:49 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:17 pm
Because each electron causes/repels another electron to move away, effect. It however takes time for each cause, emission of a photon, and effect, absorption of a photon.
Is the emission of a photon cause or effect?
The emission is the cause. The effect is absorption.
Hahaha!!! Sorry!!!
But what caused the emission?
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:58 am
by bahman
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:37 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:59 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:49 pm
Is the emission of a photon cause or effect?
The emission is the cause. The effect is absorption.
Hahaha!!! Sorry!!!
But what caused the emission?
The electron has a property so-called charge. Any particle that has a charge emits/causes/creates photon.
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:28 am
by psycho
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:58 am
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:37 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:59 pm
The emission is the cause. The effect is absorption.
Hahaha!!! Sorry!!!
But what caused the emission?
The electron has a property so-called charge. Any particle that has a charge emits/causes/creates photon.
That doesn't answer my question.
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:39 pm
by bahman
psycho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:28 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:58 am
psycho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:37 pm
Hahaha!!! Sorry!!!
But what caused the emission?
The electron has a property so-called charge. Any particle that has a charge emits/causes/creates photon.
That doesn't answer my question.
The eLectron has the ability to emit.
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:29 pm
by psycho
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:39 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:28 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:58 am
The electron has a property so-called charge. Any particle that has a charge emits/causes/creates photon.
That doesn't answer my question.
The eLectron has the ability to emit.
In the interaction between two electrons, is the emission of a photon, the cause of the interaction or is it its effect?
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:49 pm
by bahman
psycho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:29 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:39 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:28 am
That doesn't answer my question.
The eLectron has the ability to emit.
In the interaction between two electrons, is the emission of a photon, the cause of the interaction or is it its effect?
Photon is an entity that is created/caused by one electron. Two electrons interact with each other by exchanging photons. No photon, no interaction.
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:51 pm
by psycho
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:49 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:29 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:39 pm
The eLectron has the ability to emit.
In the interaction between two electrons, is the emission of a photon, the cause of the interaction or is it its effect?
Photon is an entity that is created/caused by one electron. Two electrons interact with each other by exchanging photons. No photon, no interaction.
You say that when there is an interaction between two electrons, one of them whimsically decides to emit a photon?
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:57 pm
by bahman
psycho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:51 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:49 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:29 pm
In the interaction between two electrons, is the emission of a photon, the cause of the interaction or is it its effect?
Photon is an entity that is created/caused by one electron. Two electrons interact with each other by exchanging photons. No photon, no interaction.
You say that when there is an interaction between two electrons, one of them whimsically decides to emit a photon?
It does emit photon constantly. That is why there is an electromagnetic field around the electron.
Re: Change cannot happen at now
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:28 pm
by psycho
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:57 pm
psycho wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:51 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:49 pm
Photon is an entity that is created/caused by one electron. Two electrons interact with each other by exchanging photons. No photon, no interaction.
You say that when there is an interaction between two electrons, one of them whimsically decides to emit a photon?
It does emit photon constantly. That is why there is an electromagnetic field around the electron.
You seem indecisive. In the case of the interaction between two electrons, what is cause and what effect? Which is prior and which is later. If the interaction is between photon and electron, which is cause and which effect and which is prior and which is subsequent?