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I take it that in your world there are no gaps. Everywhere there is only a smooth continuum. Until finally there is only one thing in existence. And all the rest is just subjective malfeasance.
Everything is connected.tapaticmadness wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:53 amI take it that in your world there are no gaps. Everywhere there is only a smooth continuum. Until finally there is only one thing in existence. And all the rest is just subjective malfeasance.
in Elmer's glue utopia...Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:09 pmEverything is connected.tapaticmadness wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:53 amI take it that in your world there are no gaps. Everywhere there is only a smooth continuum. Until finally there is only one thing in existence. And all the rest is just subjective malfeasance.
All is form through form.Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:23 pmin Elmer's glue utopia...Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:09 pmEverything is connected.tapaticmadness wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:53 am
I take it that in your world there are no gaps. Everywhere there is only a smooth continuum. Until finally there is only one thing in existence. And all the rest is just subjective malfeasance.
-Imp
When you say form do you mean something set-theoretical so that you could say all is sets within sets within sets with no final things that are not themselves sets within sets within sets ... ? Is set theory the logic you would use to describe your world and not the predicate calculus of logistic?
A form is the shape of anything. Take for example numbers as loops (considering all countable shapes are loops in the respect they have the same beginning and end points). A loop fits inside another loop, much in the same manner all numbers are composed of positive or negative one. Loops are composed of loops and what we see of numbers is a recursion of loops.tapaticmadness wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:22 pmWhen you say form do you mean something set-theoretical so that you could say all is sets within sets within sets with no final things that are not themselves sets within sets within sets ... ? Is set theory the logic you would use to describe your world and not the predicate calculus of logistic?
All loops and shapes can be described mathematically using set theory. Or do you think that "loop" and "shape" are universals that cannot be "reduced" to anything else, such as mathematics?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:36 pmA form is the shape of anything. Take for example numbers as loops (considering all countable shapes are loops in the respect they have the same beginning and end points). A loop fits inside another loop, much in the same manner all numbers are composed of positive or negative one. Loops are composed of loops and what we see of numbers is a recursion of loops.tapaticmadness wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:22 pmWhen you say form do you mean something set-theoretical so that you could say all is sets within sets within sets with no final things that are not themselves sets within sets within sets ... ? Is set theory the logic you would use to describe your world and not the predicate calculus of logistic?
If we reduce a loop to another loop we are left with three principles:tapaticmadness wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:54 amAll loops and shapes can be described mathematically using set theory. Or do you think that "loop" and "shape" are universals that cannot be "reduced" to anything else, such as mathematics?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:36 pmA form is the shape of anything. Take for example numbers as loops (considering all countable shapes are loops in the respect they have the same beginning and end points). A loop fits inside another loop, much in the same manner all numbers are composed of positive or negative one. Loops are composed of loops and what we see of numbers is a recursion of loops.tapaticmadness wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:22 pm
When you say form do you mean something set-theoretical so that you could say all is sets within sets within sets with no final things that are not themselves sets within sets within sets ... ? Is set theory the logic you would use to describe your world and not the predicate calculus of logistic?
OK, you haven't said so explicitly but I take it that you believe that mathematics (especially geometry) can finally explain everything in the world. And that mathematics is going to be set theory. Therefore, I surmise that you believe that sets exist. Then again maybe you think sets are mental constructs, in which case the world is in the mind and you are an idealist, not a realist.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:13 amIf we reduce a loop to another loop we are left with three principles:tapaticmadness wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:54 amAll loops and shapes can be described mathematically using set theory. Or do you think that "loop" and "shape" are universals that cannot be "reduced" to anything else, such as mathematics?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:36 pm
A form is the shape of anything. Take for example numbers as loops (considering all countable shapes are loops in the respect they have the same beginning and end points). A loop fits inside another loop, much in the same manner all numbers are composed of positive or negative one. Loops are composed of loops and what we see of numbers is a recursion of loops.
Recursion as the repitition of loops.
Isomorphism as the inversion of one loop into many loops.
Loops as both recursive and isomorphic thus are variables.
I am saying forms exist, and that mathematics both exists through and is subject to forms. All we know of reality is forms.tapaticmadness wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:21 amOK, you haven't said so explicitly but I take it that you believe that mathematics (especially geometry) can finally explain everything in the world. And that mathematics is going to be set theory. Therefore, I surmise that you believe that sets exist. Then again maybe you think sets are mental constructs, in which case the world is in the mind and you are an idealist, not a realist.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:13 amIf we reduce a loop to another loop we are left with three principles:tapaticmadness wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:54 am
All loops and shapes can be described mathematically using set theory. Or do you think that "loop" and "shape" are universals that cannot be "reduced" to anything else, such as mathematics?
Recursion as the repitition of loops.
Isomorphism as the inversion of one loop into many loops.
Loops as both recursive and isomorphic thus are variables.
I think what you said there is rock bottom and it would be pointless to try and interpret it. Thanks for the conversation.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:39 pmI am saying forms exist, and that mathematics both exists through and is subject to forms. All we know of reality is forms.tapaticmadness wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:21 amOK, you haven't said so explicitly but I take it that you believe that mathematics (especially geometry) can finally explain everything in the world. And that mathematics is going to be set theory. Therefore, I surmise that you believe that sets exist. Then again maybe you think sets are mental constructs, in which case the world is in the mind and you are an idealist, not a realist.