Re: "Umm you don't really have a case from where I'm standing."
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:34 pm
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You are just another Blind Physicalist who thinks everyone else must also be Blind.SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:55 pm There's no such thing as a soul or consciousness, or any other such misconception of some mystical thing. There is no body/mind problem.
It's just the way the organic machine works. Humans, and all animals for that matter, are simply recording devices, albeit not very accurate, especially over the long term.
Free will is simply comparing all experiences that are stored in our memory (RAM/hard drive) to extrapolate (CPU) best case decisions so as to feed those things we need/want/desire. Which is why knowledge is so important. The more knowledge one has the more choices they're aware of.
Crap need/want/desire are themselves, while examining their relative juxtaposition, proof of free will. While need are those things necessary, without which we'd literally die. And want/desire are those things we choose, sometimes in spite of our needs, and sometimes because of our needs. The difference between the two; evidence of free will.
The subject has absolutely nothing to do with, would be, deities.
Ok. How about I phrase is it like this: you do make your choices, although they were predetermined at the beginning of time. Because I think that is what I said. But in any case, does that statement even make sense?
What do you mean by consciousness when you say it does not exist?SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:55 pm There's no such thing as a soul or consciousness, or any other such misconception of some mystical thing.
Yet you were seemingly incapable of saying why you believe that's true. And I mean a point by point, rebuttal.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:40 pmYou are just another Blind Physicalist who thinks everyone else must also be Blind.SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:55 pm There's no such thing as a soul or consciousness, or any other such misconception of some mystical thing. There is no body/mind problem.
It's just the way the organic machine works. Humans, and all animals for that matter, are simply recording devices, albeit not very accurate, especially over the long term.
Free will is simply comparing all experiences that are stored in our memory (RAM/hard drive) to extrapolate (CPU) best case decisions so as to feed those things we need/want/desire. Which is why knowledge is so important. The more knowledge one has the more choices they're aware of.
Crap need/want/desire are themselves, while examining their relative juxtaposition, proof of free will. While need are those things necessary, without which we'd literally die. And want/desire are those things we choose, sometimes in spite of our needs, and sometimes because of our needs. The difference between the two; evidence of free will.
The subject has absolutely nothing to do with, would be, deities.
Read the following to understand what it is that I find within the question of consciousness.Zelebg wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:53 amWhat do you mean by consciousness when you say it does not exist?SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:55 pm There's no such thing as a soul or consciousness, or any other such misconception of some mystical thing.
You sense, feel, think... have experience. Even if it is all illusion, you still need consciousness to be conscious of it.
But which one is your argument exactly, let's see.SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:47 am Read the following to understand what it is that I find within the question of consciousness.
Seriously, did you read and understand the above link???Zelebg wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:47 amBut which one is your argument exactly, let's see.SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:47 am Read the following to understand what it is that I find within the question of consciousness.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience
Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively.
If you do not understand what "subjectively" is refering to in that definition, then you are not conscious. But if you do understand, then please try to explain how do you arrive to the conclusion it's an illusion.
Yeah a lot of that crap is wrong too. It speaks of desires where it's clearly needs. Obviously Sentience also requires a 'conceptual' upgrade.SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:20 amSeriously, did you read and understand the above link???Zelebg wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:47 amBut which one is your argument exactly, let's see.SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:47 am Read the following to understand what it is that I find within the question of consciousness.
All that I quoted!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience
Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively.
If you do not understand what "subjectively" is refering to in that definition, then you are not conscious. But if you do understand, then please try to explain how do you arrive to the conclusion it's an illusion.
You are making the point there is no point to talk about anything, and yet you are talking yourself. Everything is a concept from our _subjective point of view. But this subjective 1st person view also makes one concept different than any other: "I think, therefore I am". And those I's in that statement is the only concept you can actually be certain of, even if the whole of extern space and time reality is just an illusion.SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:45 am Are you going to need me to untangle the knots for you?
When I say you are Blind I mean that your own Conscious Visual experience is embedded in the front of your face and yet you say it does not exist. You must be Blind.SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:38 amYet you were seemingly incapable of saying why you believe that's true. And I mean a point by point, rebuttal.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:40 pmYou are just another Blind Physicalist who thinks everyone else must also be Blind.SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:55 pm There's no such thing as a soul or consciousness, or any other such misconception of some mystical thing. There is no body/mind problem.
It's just the way the organic machine works. Humans, and all animals for that matter, are simply recording devices, albeit not very accurate, especially over the long term.
Free will is simply comparing all experiences that are stored in our memory (RAM/hard drive) to extrapolate (CPU) best case decisions so as to feed those things we need/want/desire. Which is why knowledge is so important. The more knowledge one has the more choices they're aware of.
Crap need/want/desire are themselves, while examining their relative juxtaposition, proof of free will. While need are those things necessary, without which we'd literally die. And want/desire are those things we choose, sometimes in spite of our needs, and sometimes because of our needs. The difference between the two; evidence of free will.
The subject has absolutely nothing to do with, would be, deities.