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Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:08 pm
by surreptitious57
TimeSeeker wrote:
Like I said intentional harm seems to bother you way more than it bothers me
In principle it does but as long as it is not directed at me then I am not bothered

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:10 pm
by TimeSeeker
surreptitious57 wrote: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:08 pm
TimeSeeker wrote:
Like I said intentional harm seems to bother you way more than it bothers me
In principle it does but as long as it is not directed at me then I am not bothered
The probability of it being directed at you is negligible. Hence my argument - focus on wearing your seatbelt instead.

That's far more likely to prevent YOUR premature death than worrying about terrorism.

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:40 pm
by surreptitious57
TimeSeeker wrote:
focus on wearing your seatbelt instead

That is far more likely to prevent YOUR premature death than worrying about terrorism
I have absolutely no need to wear a seatbelt and I never worry about terrorism and my premature death does not bother me at all
I could die in my sleep tonight and it would have no negative effect on me from that point on because I could not suffer any more

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:42 pm
by TimeSeeker
surreptitious57 wrote: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:40 pm I have absolutely no need to wear a seatbelt and I never worry about terrorism and my premature death does not bother me at all
I could die in my sleep tonight and it would have no negative effect on me from that point on because I could not suffer any more
Then why do you need the word 'evil' ? If a terrorist delivers you from suffering then surely they are doing you a favour?

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:52 pm
by surreptitious57
TimeSeeker wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
I have absolutely no need to wear a seatbelt and I never worry about terrorism and my premature death does not bother me at all
I could die in my sleep tonight and it would have no negative effect on me from that point on because I could not suffer any more
Then why do you need the word evil ? If a terrorist delivers you from suffering then surely they are doing you a favour ?
I actually want to die peacefully in my sleep rather than be blown up by a suicide bomber which is very unlikely anyway

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:29 am
by TimeSeeker
surreptitious57 wrote: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:52 pm
TimeSeeker wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
I have absolutely no need to wear a seatbelt and I never worry about terrorism and my premature death does not bother me at all
I could die in my sleep tonight and it would have no negative effect on me from that point on because I could not suffer any more
Then why do you need the word evil ? If a terrorist delivers you from suffering then surely they are doing you a favour ?
I actually want to die peacefully in my sleep rather than be blown up by a suicide bomber which is very unlikely anyway
You have experienced neither, so you are making this choice on the presupposition that dying in your sleep is “peaceful”.

It could also be an 8 hour nightmare you can’t wake up from, where getting blown up is instant death...

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:02 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:19 am One of my thesis is this;
  • 1. DNA/RNA wise ALL humans inherently has the potential to commit evil and violent acts.

    2. A percentile [20% conservatively] are unfortunately born with an active evil tendency.

    3. Those with an active evil tendency are easily triggered to commit evil when exposed to evil laden elements in various media and in this particular case, Holy Texts.
Here is a documentary video which show how 'evilness' is inherent in SOME children where the signs are evident even when they are babies and toddlers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVxGZGPvyPo

Could the most effective method of crime prevention be a brain scan?
This suggestion, the result of recent ground-breaking research, is investigated in the two films that comprise A Mind To Crime.
The Dangerous Few examines the surprising claim from the USA that it is possible to identify children as young as four year’s old as potential criminals.
Often prone to violence and stealing, children who suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) have been found to have brain abnormalities consistent with those who turn to crime.

Controversial treatments being developed are also revealed. Violent Minds, the second film, examines the brain abnormalities that affect different types of criminal, as well as investigating the links with drugs and the possibilities of brain damage inflicted before birth.
In addition there is objectivity via a strong correlation between the activity of theta waves in the brain with the likelyhood to commit evil and violence. Note the research done by Adrain Raine as presented in the video.

In the video there is a mother who was afraid her 6? years old daughter could kill her while she is asleep based on evidence of the child aggressive behaviors, emotional state and expressions.

In view of the above, we should thus give serious attention to holy texts that contain loads of evil laden elements that could trigger those with inherent evil tendencies to commit terrible evil and violent acts.

The point is we are not speculating but the real evidence is already very glaringly evident there are SOME evil prone believers who are inspired by the evil elements in their holy texts to commit terrible evil and violent acts.

Should we ban such holy texts with loads of evil laden elements given that at present is it tougher and quite impossible to cure the inherent tendencies in SOME* to commit evil in the evil prone.
* re SOME, 20% of 1.5 billion is 300 million or if 1% is 15 million people with active inherent evil tendencies all over the world.

Views?
What if you ban the texts, but because of the zombie parasites new ones pop up to replace them?

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:45 am
by Veritas Aequitas
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:02 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:19 am One of my thesis is this;
  • 1. DNA/RNA wise ALL humans inherently has the potential to commit evil and violent acts.

    2. A percentile [20% conservatively] are unfortunately born with an active evil tendency.

    3. Those with an active evil tendency are easily triggered to commit evil when exposed to evil laden elements in various media and in this particular case, Holy Texts.
Here is a documentary video which show how 'evilness' is inherent in SOME children where the signs are evident even when they are babies and toddlers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVxGZGPvyPo

Could the most effective method of crime prevention be a brain scan?
This suggestion, the result of recent ground-breaking research, is investigated in the two films that comprise A Mind To Crime.
The Dangerous Few examines the surprising claim from the USA that it is possible to identify children as young as four year’s old as potential criminals.
Often prone to violence and stealing, children who suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) have been found to have brain abnormalities consistent with those who turn to crime.

Controversial treatments being developed are also revealed. Violent Minds, the second film, examines the brain abnormalities that affect different types of criminal, as well as investigating the links with drugs and the possibilities of brain damage inflicted before birth.
In addition there is objectivity via a strong correlation between the activity of theta waves in the brain with the likelyhood to commit evil and violence. Note the research done by Adrain Raine as presented in the video.

In the video there is a mother who was afraid her 6? years old daughter could kill her while she is asleep based on evidence of the child aggressive behaviors, emotional state and expressions.

In view of the above, we should thus give serious attention to holy texts that contain loads of evil laden elements that could trigger those with inherent evil tendencies to commit terrible evil and violent acts.

The point is we are not speculating but the real evidence is already very glaringly evident there are SOME evil prone believers who are inspired by the evil elements in their holy texts to commit terrible evil and violent acts.

Should we ban such holy texts with loads of evil laden elements given that at present is it tougher and quite impossible to cure the inherent tendencies in SOME* to commit evil in the evil prone.
* re SOME, 20% of 1.5 billion is 300 million or if 1% is 15 million people with active inherent evil tendencies all over the world.

Views?
What if you ban the texts, but because of the zombie parasites new ones pop up to replace them?
What the chances of a new theistic religion like or similar to Islam or Christianity - with an immutable doctrine [containing loads of evil elements] from a supposedly real god delivered to a messenger - be able to emerge in our modern era?

2000 and 1500 years ago before the enlightenment age there were no psychiatry and a large pool of rational knowledge to assess the psychological states of the founders of the various religions.

Btw, my proposals are NOT to get rid of religions by force but to wean-off religion on a voluntarily basis with the necessary available fool proof replacements.

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:05 am
by Eodnhoj7
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:45 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:02 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:19 am One of my thesis is this;
  • 1. DNA/RNA wise ALL humans inherently has the potential to commit evil and violent acts.

    2. A percentile [20% conservatively] are unfortunately born with an active evil tendency.

    3. Those with an active evil tendency are easily triggered to commit evil when exposed to evil laden elements in various media and in this particular case, Holy Texts.
Here is a documentary video which show how 'evilness' is inherent in SOME children where the signs are evident even when they are babies and toddlers.



In addition there is objectivity via a strong correlation between the activity of theta waves in the brain with the likelyhood to commit evil and violence. Note the research done by Adrain Raine as presented in the video.

In the video there is a mother who was afraid her 6? years old daughter could kill her while she is asleep based on evidence of the child aggressive behaviors, emotional state and expressions.

In view of the above, we should thus give serious attention to holy texts that contain loads of evil laden elements that could trigger those with inherent evil tendencies to commit terrible evil and violent acts.

The point is we are not speculating but the real evidence is already very glaringly evident there are SOME evil prone believers who are inspired by the evil elements in their holy texts to commit terrible evil and violent acts.

Should we ban such holy texts with loads of evil laden elements given that at present is it tougher and quite impossible to cure the inherent tendencies in SOME* to commit evil in the evil prone.
* re SOME, 20% of 1.5 billion is 300 million or if 1% is 15 million people with active inherent evil tendencies all over the world.

Views?
What if you ban the texts, but because of the zombie parasites new ones pop up to replace them?
What the chances of a new theistic religion like or similar to Islam or Christianity - with an immutable doctrine [containing loads of evil elements] from a supposedly real god delivered to a messenger - be able to emerge in our modern era?

2000 and 1500 years ago before the enlightenment age there were no psychiatry and a large pool of rational knowledge to assess the psychological states of the founders of the various religions.

Btw, my proposals are NOT to get rid of religions by force but to wean-off religion on a voluntarily basis with the necessary available fool proof replacements.
How can we ween of a system of beliefs if the zombie parasites lead to further systems of beliefs? For all we know science can be the result of zombie parasites...

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:45 am
by Veritas Aequitas
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:05 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:45 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:02 pm
What if you ban the texts, but because of the zombie parasites new ones pop up to replace them?
What the chances of a new theistic religion like or similar to Islam or Christianity - with an immutable doctrine [containing loads of evil elements] from a supposedly real god delivered to a messenger - be able to emerge in our modern era?

2000 and 1500 years ago before the enlightenment age there were no psychiatry and a large pool of rational knowledge to assess the psychological states of the founders of the various religions.

Btw, my proposals are NOT to get rid of religions by force but to wean-off religion on a voluntarily basis with the necessary available fool proof replacements.
How can we ween of a system of beliefs if the zombie parasites lead to further systems of beliefs? For all we know science can be the result of zombie parasites...
"zombies parasites' is a metaphor for those neural turbulence that has a net-negative effect on the well being of the individual and humanity collectively.

Note I have explained to you directly, the "zombie parasites" are very active within the lower [60%] and mid brain [20%].
Science [dominantly rational within the higher cortical brain] which is net-positive to the well being of the individual and humanity is activated in the higher brain is beyond the influence of the zombie parasites [within the lower and mid brain].

Note the analogy of the zombie-ants, where the real zombie parasites compel the zombied-ants to behave in a way that is detrimental to the ants.
How can we wean of a system of beliefs if the zombie parasites lead to further systems of beliefs?
This is partly true as evidenced from those in the extreme left and the very stupid Islam-apologists.
As such there is need to counter them and find ways to inhibit [not get rid] their active "zombie parasites' within their brain.

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:57 am
by Eodnhoj7
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:45 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:05 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:45 am
What the chances of a new theistic religion like or similar to Islam or Christianity - with an immutable doctrine [containing loads of evil elements] from a supposedly real god delivered to a messenger - be able to emerge in our modern era?

2000 and 1500 years ago before the enlightenment age there were no psychiatry and a large pool of rational knowledge to assess the psychological states of the founders of the various religions.

Btw, my proposals are NOT to get rid of religions by force but to wean-off religion on a voluntarily basis with the necessary available fool proof replacements.
How can we ween of a system of beliefs if the zombie parasites lead to further systems of beliefs? For all we know science can be the result of zombie parasites...
"zombies parasites' is a metaphor for those neural turbulence that has a net-negative effect on the well being of the individual and humanity collectively.

Note I have explained to you directly, the "zombie parasites" are very active within the lower [60%] and mid brain [20%].
Science [dominantly rational within the higher cortical brain] which is net-positive to the well being of the individual and humanity is activated in the higher brain is beyond the influence of the zombie parasites [within the lower and mid brain].

Note the analogy of the zombie-ants, where the real zombie parasites compel the zombied-ants to behave in a way that is detrimental to the ants.
How can we wean of a system of beliefs if the zombie parasites lead to further systems of beliefs?
This is partly true as evidenced from those in the extreme left and the very stupid Islam-apologists.
As such there is need to counter them and find ways to inhibit [not get rid] their active "zombie parasites' within their brain.
But metaphors are found in religion not empirical scientific analysis.

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:04 am
by Veritas Aequitas
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:57 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:45 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:05 am
How can we ween of a system of beliefs if the zombie parasites lead to further systems of beliefs? For all we know science can be the result of zombie parasites...
"zombies parasites' is a metaphor for those neural turbulence that has a net-negative effect on the well being of the individual and humanity collectively.

Note I have explained to you directly, the "zombie parasites" are very active within the lower [60%] and mid brain [20%].
Science [dominantly rational within the higher cortical brain] which is net-positive to the well being of the individual and humanity is activated in the higher brain is beyond the influence of the zombie parasites [within the lower and mid brain].

Note the analogy of the zombie-ants, where the real zombie parasites compel the zombied-ants to behave in a way that is detrimental to the ants.
How can we wean of a system of beliefs if the zombie parasites lead to further systems of beliefs?
This is partly true as evidenced from those in the extreme left and the very stupid Islam-apologists.
As such there is need to counter them and find ways to inhibit [not get rid] their active "zombie parasites' within their brain.
But metaphors are found in religion not empirical scientific analysis.
What? You have to ask questions that do not reflect ignorance on your part.

In Defense Of Metaphors In Science Writing
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/li ... e-writing/

In this case I am using Scientific studies [zombie ants] as a metaphor to theistic behaviors.
The point it whatever is the conclusion, it has to be justified by purely scientific proofs.

Metaphors are merely a linguistic tool that can be used in any communication setting.

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:11 am
by TimeSeeker
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:04 am In this case I am using Scientific studies [zombie ants] as a metaphor to theistic behaviors.
No you weren't. You were using it as a metaphor for causal factors for thoughts in one's head.

The causal chain that your metaphor suggested was: zombie ants -> thoughts -> behaviors

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:15 am
by Veritas Aequitas
TimeSeeker wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:11 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:04 am In this case I am using Scientific studies [zombie ants] as a metaphor to theistic behaviors.
No you weren't. You were using it as a metaphor for causal factors for thoughts in one's head.

The causal chain that your metaphor suggested was: zombie ants -> thoughts -> behaviors
Your interpretation is off.

What I had expressed was;
"zombie parasites" [metaphor - zombie ants] -> thoughts [theistic, God, illusion] -> behaviors [theistic - good & EVIL]

Re: Evil Inherent in All and Active in a %

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:17 am
by TimeSeeker
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:15 am
TimeSeeker wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:11 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:04 am In this case I am using Scientific studies [zombie ants] as a metaphor to theistic behaviors.
No you weren't. You were using it as a metaphor for causal factors for thoughts in one's head.

The causal chain that your metaphor suggested was: zombie ants -> thoughts -> behaviors
Your interpretation is off.

What I had expressed was;
"zombie parasites" [metaphor - zombie ants] -> thoughts [theistic, God, illusion] -> behaviors [theistic - good & EVIL]
That's the exact same sequence of events that I put forth!

How is my interpretation "off" ?