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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am We will see soon who has to upgrade his philosophical level.

Philosophy can be very tough for some people, and if in addition to having intellectual difficulties you are also lazy then it’s not going to work. I will not be able to continue this spoon speeding for too long. You will have to make an effort to be more philosophical in your writings. For example, I already quoted and gave you the exact reference to where Kierkegaard admits that he was chronically depressed, and instead of doing your homework and verify the reference as a serious thinker would have done, you write the following:

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am The point is I have not read of Kierkegaard's suffering from depression.
Kierkegaard's point is only one reference among the tons of evidence to link God with the existential crisis.

Even if you are just a beginner in philosophy, this is not the way serious thinkers work. This is more than spoon feeding that I am doing with you! And it cannot last for long. So I will spoon feed you on this one more time, if God wills, but make an effort for our future exchanges.

As I already said, Kierkegaard admitted that he was chronically depressed in his book titled Either/Or.

Kierkegaard wrote:

• “In addition to my other numerous acquintances, I have one more intimate confidant-my depression. In the midst of my joy, in the midst of my work, he beckons to me, calls me aside, even though physically I remain on the spot. My depression is the most faithfull mistress I have known-no wonder, then, that I return the love.”

An English translation of that book is available on Amazon here: https://www.amazon.com/Either-Kierkegaa ... 0691020418
The quotation is on page 20 of the above book. There is a “look inside” functionality on the Amazon site, and this way you can check the quotation without having to buy the book!

I really hope you will be able to manage from here, but I am not sure though, given the poor philosophical level and the intellectual lethargy that you have demonstrated so far! Make an effort next time to do a proper research on your own, and not rely on me like this to spoon feed you continually.

One more spoon feeding that I think is required here before leaving this topic is an English vocabulary lesson that I think needs to be given to you. It is about the meaning of the word “chronic.” From the Oxford dictionaries, the word “chronic” is defined as follows:

Chronic: adj; (of an illness) persisting for a long time or constantly recurring.
Reference: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/chronic

Now if you can make an additional effort to use whatever intellectual abilities you can muster to understand the quotation of Kierkegaard, you might come to understand that he was saying that his depression was something which constantly remained with him (i.e. it was chronic), he says “in the midst of my joy, in the midst of my work, he beckons me, calls me aside, even though physically I remain on the spot.”
From this we come to know that he was “tasting” the man! And if you are still having difficulties to understand, then he makes the matter even more explicit by saying: “My depression is the most faithfull mistress I have known-no wonder, then, that I return the love.”
Now, for someone who masters the English language, it is abundantly clear that Kierkegaard suffered from chronic (persistent, long-lasting, constantly recurring) depression. I really hope you have an adequate grasp of the English language and can understand this quotation of Kierkegaard admitting he was chronically depressed. And at this point I have reached the limit of my ability to spoon feed you! I just cannot do more! If you still cannot understand, then I will advise you to work on your English comprehension skills before going any further in philosophy.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am I dare say you are suffering from some sort of existential crisis [not necessary chronic depression] that compel you to God and very unfortunately you end up with that evil laden TROP that straight-jacketted your spiritual progress.

Well you can say that if you want, but it does not have any effect on me! Now, what I mean by that is not accessible to your level, so as usual I will have to yet again spoon feed you!
Recall that we (both of you and me) already agreed that belief in God, the Almighty is a “very effective means” (as you yourself said) against the existential depression. Right? So since I believe in God, the Almighty then the “existential crisis” has no effect on me! And that’s why I am a happy person as I have taken the best currently available remedy against the “existential crisis.” Of course, you said that you are still waiting for science to find an “imminent” alternative “foolproof strategy” to belief in God, the Almighty. But at present, as you yourself admitted, science is still looking for that “foolproof strategy” (as you say)! In the meantime, you and those like you are “tasting” like Kierkegaard!
Of course, it goes without saying that I totally respect your choice on the matter!

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am War itself is evil [must be eliminated] as it arise from an existential threat to a group of people but that is not as evil as the selfish individual sacrificing his son to God to gain favor for his own salvation of eternal life in Paradise with 'eternal virgins.'

This is very interesting. In my view, sacrificing to God, the Almighty whatever He has commanded us to sacrifice is the best of all possible available options. Let me explain that. As we have already agreed, belief in God, the Almighty is a “very effective means” against depression, and according to you, until science finds another alternative, it is the best currently available option. And now, by sacrificing whatever sacrifice that God, the Almighty has commanded us, we in addition to a happy life here, we get an eternal happy life in the Hereafter if we obey God’s command. This is what you said in the quotation.
Now, the other side is as follows. For one does not believe in God, the Almighty, the immediate consequences of that is that one is affected by the “existential crisis.” And this is not good I presume. I say “I presume” because I always believed in God, the Almighty, so I never experienced that. All praises and thanks are due to Allah, the Most Compassionate.

So, depression is not something I consider to be a good thing. So, in addition to depression in this life, for one who does not believe in God, the Almighty, there is an eternal life of even more misery awaiting that person in the Hereafter.

So accordingly, belief in God, the Almighty preserves us from existential depression in this life, and in the Hereafter we get even more pleasures. Indeed, among the many other pleasures, if Allah, the Most Generous grants me access in His Paradise, then I will be having great inexhaustible sex with eternal beautiful virgins in His Paradise. Whereas disbelief in God, the Almighty gets one depression in this life, and eternal suffering in the Hereafter.

Whatever might be one’s belief, I think just to stay clear of depression is already a big gift of belief in God. Surely, I don’t want to be “tasting” like Kierkegaard! But again, of course, I completely respect your choice on the matter, whatever that be!
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am Yes, theism is the most and "very effective means" to get immediate relief against the existential crisis

Again we agree 100% on this. I just wanted to confirm this again!

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am It is so easy with theism to give immediate relief, i.e. just believe and surrender to God and one is saved with an instant experience of release of existential pains.

Absolutely agree! Indeed, belief in God, the Almighty is very easy and this is the “most effective means” against the depression of the “existential crisis”. We are completely agreeing here again.

Allah, the All-Knowing says in the Holy Quran in chapter 13, interpretation of meaning:

• 27. And those disbelieved say, “Why has a Sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?” Say, “Indeed, Allah lets go astray whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back (to Him),
  28. Those who believe and whose hearts find satisfaction in the remembrance of Allah. No doubt, in the remembrance of Allah the hearts find satisfaction.”
  29. Those who believe and do good deeds, for them is blessedness and a beautiful place of (final) return. [Quran 13:27-29]
  

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am The above reveal your very selfishness in only taking care of your own personal salvation rather than that of the human species and humanity into the future.

I can help you in your salvation as well if this is what you want. And for anybody reading this, this applies to you as well. I can tell you the way, there is no problem on my side. Do you want to be saved too? Just ask me, and I will help you, absolutely no worry. You don’t have to reply immediately, but if your existential depression is no longer bearable, then my proposition remains open and you can still contact me later. If you do not want to live the little that remains of your life in your depression related to the “existential crisis”, then just contact me and I’ll help if God wills.
The only caveat is that my proposition terminates when death comes to you. At that point, no one in terms of advice, can do anything for you.
Death is a certainty for each human being and no one knows when it will be for each of us except Allah, the All-Knowing.

Allah, the All-Knowing says in the Holy Quran, interpretation of meaning:

• Every soul will taste death, and you will be paid your reward in full only on the Day of Resurrection. Then whoever is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, then surely he is successful. And the life of this world is nothing but enjoyment of delusion. [Quran 3:185]
  

I hope you get to read this message in time and I am not too late.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am Now I can truly say this [your earlier statement];
Anyway, I take note of that. It’s very interesting to learn about your moral values and goals in life.

These are very kind words, I am touched!

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am To deal with the inherent existential crisis I have resorted to the core principles and practices [not as a follower of their organization] of Hinduism [advaita vedanta] for some time then to Buddhism plus Taoism and philosophy-proper.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my question, I appreciate that. I find that the Advaita philosophy in Hinduism contradicts itself and Buddhism is not something I am inclined towards knowing what is in their scriptures and how they are justifying their violence by resort to their horrendous scriptures. I find that philosophy (i.e. the use of reason and thinking) is good. But in my case it is not only good but also obligatory as per Islamic prescriptions in the Holy Quran. Allah, the All-Knowing says in the Holy Quran:

• Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason. [Quran, interpretation of meaning 8:22]

• Say, "I only advise you of one [thing] - that you stand for Allah, [seeking truth] in pairs and individually, and then give thought." There is not in your companion any madness. He is only a warner to you before a severe punishment. [Quran, interpretation of meaning 34:46]

And a medieval Islamic scholar in Spain by the name of Ibn Rushd has judged that the study of philosophy is compulsory (wajib) for those who can. Ibn Rushd is also known as the father of modern philosophy in the West. Anyway, so philosophy is a religious obligation for me from an Islamic perspective as I have been given the capacity by the Most Generous to do it. But for those who are not able to do it, they should not do it. Philosophy can be debilitating if one does not have the intellectual capacities. For example, for someone like you I don’t think philosophy can benefit you, because as you already have a fragilized mental condition due to an unattended existential depression, so philosophy will exacerbate that condition and make your life more depressing as you yourself can witness by your inability to follow a high level intellectual discussion.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:55 am Where is the reference where Nietzche had claimed he read the Quran thoroughly

I have done enough spoon feeding of you for today. You will have to learn to emancipate yourself from me and stop being a lazy parasite and start doing some serious thinking on your own.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:55 am The Quran as it is general presented is a very messy book to read, i.e. without a theme.
Most apologists like Karen Armstrong & others and even Islamic Scholars cannot see the 500 pound gorilla in the Quran due to confirmation bias.

I am not surprised at all that someone like you cannot perceive the structure of the Holy Quran! Even for me, who has been spoon feeding you philosophically since the start of our exchange, the structure of the Holy Quran was way beyond my level! So it is normal that you felt confused! So don’t worry about this one! I have had to read and listen to really exceptional minds to be able to understand the amazing structure of the Holy Quran. I touched on that on this forum itself. Please see some of my posts on the following thread to get a glimpse of the amazing structure of the Holy Quran: viewtopic.php?p=342538#p342538

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:53 am I have already stated,
the 5th Century CE Sri Lankan chronicle, the Mahavamsa,
is not one of the main sutra of Buddhism or in this case Theravada Buddhism.

That is merely your opinion to which, of course, you are entitled to. However, according to the Buddhist monks and scholars such as Sitagu among many others, the Mahavamsa is accepted as a valid scripture in Theravada Buddhism from which Theravada Buddhists have been finding justifications for the killing of tens of thousands of innocent and defenseless women and children in Burma and Sri Lanka. These genocidal Buddhists are justifying the genocide occurring in Burma and the atrocities in Sri Lanka on their belief that they are “bringing glory to the doctrine of Siddhartha Gautama,” and they believe this is a way to heaven for them, as per their immoral genocide exhorting Buddhist scriptures.

Indeed, this is just concerning Theravada Buddhism, but the other sects of Buddhism are no better in regard to genocide exhorting scriptures.
The other main branch of Buddhism namely Mahayana Buddhism which accounts for about 53% of the Buddhist world also has verses similar to Mahavamsa in their core scriptures. For example, among others the hideous Nirvana sutra (freely available on the web), where we can read the following.

It is reported in that scripture that the so-called “Buddha” said to Bodhisattva Kasyapa:

• O good man! A person who kills an icchantika does not suffer from the karmic returns due to the killings of the three kinds named above. O good man! All those Brahmins are of the class of the icchantika. For example, such actions as digging the ground, mowing the grass, felling trees, cutting up corpses, ill-speaking, and lashing do not call forth karmic returns. Killing an icchantika comes within the same category. No karmic results ensue. Why not? Because no Brahmins and no five laws to begin with faith, etc. are involved here [Maybe: no Brahmins are concerned with the "five roots" of faith, vigour, mindfulness, concentration, and Wisdom]. For this reason, killing [of this kind] does not carry one off to hell. [Nirvana Sutra]

In that same scripture it is also reported the following with the so-called “Buddha” saying:

• In just the same way, the Bodhisattva-mahasattva acts likewise for reasons of protecting Wonderful Dharma. Should beings slander Mahayana, he applies kindly lashings, in order to cure them. Or he may take life in order that what obtained in the past could be mended, thus seeing to it that the law [Dharma] could be accorded with. The Bodhisattva always thinks: "How might I best make beings aspire to faith? I shall always act as is best fitted to the occasion."[Nirvana Sutra]

An “icchantika” in Mahayana Buddhism refers to incorrigible human beings lacking the requisites for achieving enlightenment.

As can be witnessed from these killing verses of the Nirvana sutra, human beings are first dehumanize as in the Theravada scriptures and then their killing is made lawful without any repercussions in their incoherent beliefs system. This is the exact same concept in the both sects of Buddhism which together make about more than 90 % of the Buddhist world.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:53 am As I had mentioned Sitagu [is stupid] should be condemned for bringing the above verses in his lecture which could be misconstrued by others.

Indeed, Sitagu is stupid as you said. This is also due in part to the doctrine of Siddhartha itself being ineffective. The doctrine of Siddhartha, as is illustrated by the case of Sitagu and others, does not have the capacity to transform a person from being stupid to being intelligent. The latter is evidenced by the fact that even though Sitagu extensively studied and practiced Siddhartha’s teachings, he still remained a stupid person, as you say. And moreover, the doctrine of Siddhartha which claims to be compassionate and non-violent, is in fact ineffective to teach that the killing of innocent and defenseless women and children is wrong. But Sitagu is not the only one who is stupid and malignant, but also a significant number of Buddhists, who believe that the killing innocent and defenseless women and children can give them direct access to heaven as per their scriptures. This for me is proof that the teachings of Siddhartha is not effective to calibrate the moral compass of a person who follows him. For example, you yourself with your hate mongering and who claims to be following Siddhartha are also in the same category as Sitagu.

But Siddhartha himself was not a good embodiment of his own teachings either according to the information I have. In his lifetime, it is reported that there was a king by the name of Pasenadi who for a time was the protector and benefactor of Siddhartha and many of his followers. It should be noted that Buddhists monks, even though they are in good health, they do not work like every healthy human being. But they prefer to ask for the charity of the poor, when they could easily earn a living through their labor!

Any way, so Pasenadi took care of these lazy parasitic monks who survived on alms instead of on their own sweat. But Pasenadi also went into wars and killed many people, and yet it is reported that Siddhartha did not condemn him but just showed understanding to him, whereas he (i.e. Siddhartha) called the son of a fisherman named Sati by the derogatory label of “worthless man” for just having misunderstood him! Cunning Siddhartha must have been aware of the saying that one doesn’t bite at the hand that feeds and protects one!

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:53 am Btw, would you claim you had understood the Quran thoroughly and have not missed out the critical elements due to confirmation bias? e.g. like not seeing the true nature of the face-image I posted earlier.

I do not claim and never claimed to have understood the Holy Quran thoroughly! I am not an Islamic scholar. I share only what I know about the Holy Quran and whatever I know in general. There are people who understand the Holy Quran much better than me. And many of these people were initially not Muslims! For example, many non-Muslims scientists have embraced Islam after having read the Holy Quran because they had found in it scientific statements which had only recently been discovered. And, of course, these experts would understand these scientific statements in the Holy Quran better than me!

For example there was a Buddhist who was also a Professor of modern Medicine in Thailand by the name of Tejatat Tejassen, who embraced Islam when he came to learn that his subject of expertise was mentioned in the Holy Quran in great detail! Professor Tejassen was astonished when he learned that 21st century developments in medical science was already found in the Holy Quran. He eventually embraced Islam. Here is a YouTube video of his conversion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Xek3DGrao


In the YouTube video he is saying the following:

Professor Tejatat Tejassen wrote:During the last three years, I became interested in the Quran.... From my study and what I have learned from this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth, which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible [as the] creator. This creator must be God. Therefore, I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger (Prophet) of Allah (God). Lastly, I must congratulate for the excellent and highly successful arrangement for this conference.... I have gained not only from the scientific point of view and religious point of view but also the great chance of meeting many well-known scientists and making many new friends among the participants. The most precious thing of all that I have gained by coming to this place is La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, and to have become a Muslim.

Professor Tejatat Tejassen, a former Buddhist and who is also an expert in the field of medicine has confirmed that the Holy Quran is the Word of God, the Almighty.


There is also another former Buddhist who understands the Holy Quran way much better than me. His name is Sheik Hussein Yee, who embraced Islam in the late 1960s and now he is an Islamic scholar. Here is a YouTube short interview of Sheik Yee (10 mins): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLFYOPRQbbE


There are many many other examples I can give you of former Buddhists having embraced Islam. It can be that as our interesting exchange progresses, if God wills, I will be able to share some more information with you and all interested members present on this forum. In any case, I find this exchange to be very beneficial for me, and I hope to benefit even more in the future but provided you make an effort to upgrade your philosophical level.

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Yeah, I'll stay free of shackles while others can hot-foot it in order to please some higher power they fear, whether it be dharmic or Abrahamic. Dance, my little monkey, dance! And don't forget to shave your crotches and armpits before forty days are up, or you'll be sinful in your almighty's eyes...

'I wouldn't want to belong to a club that would have me as a member.' - Groucho Marx.

Averroes wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:23 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am We will see soon who has to upgrade his philosophical level.

Philosophy can be very tough for some people, and if in addition to having intellectual difficulties you are also lazy then it’s not going to work. I will not be able to continue this spoon speeding for too long. You will have to make an effort to be more philosophical in your writings. For example, I already quoted and gave you the exact reference to where Kierkegaard admits that he was chronically depressed, and instead of doing your homework and verify the reference as a serious thinker would have done, you write the following:

You should not judged another re 'philosophical' without reading more of what the other had posted.
I suggest you make a judgment of my position after you have had discussed about 200 posts with me or read 500 of my posts here or elsewhere.
That you are jumping to conclusion [fallacy of hasty generalization] exposes your weakness in philosophy, i.e. being wise.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am The point is I have not read of Kierkegaard's suffering from depression.
Kierkegaard's point is only one reference among the tons of evidence to link God with the existential crisis.

Even if you are just a beginner in philosophy, this is not the way serious thinkers work. This is more than spoon feeding that I am doing with you! And it cannot last for long. So I will spoon feed you on this one more time, if God wills, but make an effort for our future exchanges.

As I already said, Kierkegaard admitted that he was chronically depressed in his book titled Either/Or.

Kierkegaard wrote:

• “In addition to my other numerous acquintances, I have one more intimate confidant-my depression. In the midst of my joy, in the midst of my work, he beckons to me, calls me aside, even though physically I remain on the spot. My depression is the most faithfull mistress I have known-no wonder, then, that I return the love.”

An English translation of that book is available on Amazon here: https://www.amazon.com/Either-Kierkegaa ... 0691020418
The quotation is on page 20 of the above book. There is a “look inside” functionality on the Amazon site, and this way you can check the quotation without having to buy the book!

I really hope you will be able to manage from here, but I am not sure though, given the poor philosophical level and the intellectual lethargy that you have demonstrated so far! Make an effort next time to do a proper research on your own, and not rely on me like this to spoon feed you continually.

One more spoon feeding that I think is required here before leaving this topic is an English vocabulary lesson that I think needs to be given to you. It is about the meaning of the word “chronic.” From the Oxford dictionaries, the word “chronic” is defined as follows:

Chronic: adj; (of an illness) persisting for a long time or constantly recurring.
Reference: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/chronic

Now if you can make an additional effort to use whatever intellectual abilities you can muster to understand the quotation of Kierkegaard, you might come to understand that he was saying that his depression was something which constantly remained with him (i.e. it was chronic), he says “in the midst of my joy, in the midst of my work, he beckons me, calls me aside, even though physically I remain on the spot.”
From this we come to know that he was “tasting” the man! And if you are still having difficulties to understand, then he makes the matter even more explicit by saying: “My depression is the most faithfull mistress I have known-no wonder, then, that I return the love.”
Now, for someone who masters the English language, it is abundantly clear that Kierkegaard suffered from chronic (persistent, long-lasting, constantly recurring) depression. I really hope you have an adequate grasp of the English language and can understand this quotation of Kierkegaard admitting he was chronically depressed. And at this point I have reached the limit of my ability to spoon feed you! I just cannot do more! If you still cannot understand, then I will advise you to work on your English comprehension skills before going any further in philosophy.

Your above is not wise, i.e. not philosophical. You have wasted so much time on the above.

Note I did not reject your proposition that Kierkegaard had suffered from chronic depression. Immediately I googled and noted there were mentioned of such a point.
Because it is not a very serious point, I accepted that with some degree of doubt because I have not read of it earlier and has not read this books thoroughly.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am I dare say you are suffering from some sort of existential crisis [not necessary chronic depression] that compel you to God and very unfortunately you end up with that evil laden TROP that straight-jacketted your spiritual progress.

Well you can say that if you want, but it does not have any effect on me! Now, what I mean by that is not accessible to your level, so as usual I will have to yet again spoon feed you!
Recall that we (both of you and me) already agreed that belief in God, the Almighty is a “very effective means” (as you yourself said) against the existential depression. Right? So since I believe in God, the Almighty then the “existential crisis” has no effect on me! And that’s why I am a happy person as I have taken the best currently available remedy against the “existential crisis.” Of course, you said that you are still waiting for science to find an “imminent” alternative “foolproof strategy” to belief in God, the Almighty. But at present, as you yourself admitted, science is still looking for that “foolproof strategy” (as you say)! In the meantime, you and those like you are “tasting” like Kierkegaard!
Of course, it goes without saying that I totally respect your choice on the matter!

Thanks for the point and you are one of the rare people who understand this fact.
For me agreeing with the fact that,
"belief in God, the Almighty is a “very effective means” against the existential depression" is a move towards a 'checkmate' position [a fact btw].

You claimed to be knowledgeable and philosophical but in this case your knowledge is shallow, narrow and ignorant of the critical knowledge of humanity.

Note,
God is an impossibility to be real, note my thread on this subject.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24704

DNA wise, the existential crisis [that general depression] is a potential in ALL human beings and the majority are born with an inherent UNAVAOIDABLE active existential crisis.

Ever since human beings emerged, they have been compelled to seek relief against mental sufferings from the existential crisis. One of this is theism -the most effective means in the past and present circumstances - but not for the future due to the trend of its cons outweighing its pros.

Note theism works by relying on neural inhibitors to divert and suppress the very forceful impulses of the existential crisis.
These neural inhibitors work like dams modulating the terrible forces of a great river.
But because neural inhibitors are a later human development [Christianity about 2000+ and Islam 1500 years ago], they are very weak and vulnerable to leakages.

What is worse is where a religion's core doctrinal texts is loaded with evil elements, one good example is Islam where the Quran is loaded with evil elements.

When the inhibitors that inhibit the primal existential crisis leak and threaten 'depression' and sufferings SOME [ a critical* 'some'] evil prone and vulnerable believers will do whatever it takes to secure their existential security. This is where the critical some are inspired by loads of evil elements in the Quran to commit terrible evils on non-Muslims as a divine duty to please Allah and suppress their 'depression'.
* critical meant, if 20% of Muslim, that is 300 million of them even 1% is 15 million.



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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am War itself is evil [must be eliminated] as it arise from an existential threat to a group of people but that is not as evil as the selfish individual sacrificing his son to God to gain favor for his own salvation of eternal life in Paradise with 'eternal virgins.'

This is very interesting. In my view, sacrificing to God, the Almighty whatever He has commanded us to sacrifice is the best of all possible available options. Let me explain that. As we have already agreed, belief in God, the Almighty is a “very effective means” against depression, and according to you, until science finds another alternative, it is the best currently available option. And now, by sacrificing whatever sacrifice that God, the Almighty has commanded us, we in addition to a happy life here, we get an eternal happy life in the Hereafter if we obey God’s command. This is what you said in the quotation.
Now, the other side is as follows. For one does not believe in God, the Almighty, the immediate consequences of that is that one is affected by the “existential crisis.” And this is not good I presume. I say “I presume” because I always believed in God, the Almighty, so I never experienced that. All praises and thanks are due to Allah, the Most Compassionate.

So, depression is not something I consider to be a good thing. So, in addition to depression in this life, for one who does not believe in God, the Almighty, there is an eternal life of even more misery awaiting that person in the Hereafter.

So accordingly, belief in God, the Almighty preserves us from existential depression in this life, and in the Hereafter we get even more pleasures. Indeed, among the many other pleasures, if Allah, the Most Generous grants me access in His Paradise, then I will be having great inexhaustible sex with eternal beautiful virgins in His Paradise. Whereas disbelief in God, the Almighty gets one depression in this life, and eternal suffering in the Hereafter.

Whatever might be one’s belief, I think just to stay clear of depression is already a big gift of belief in God. Surely, I don’t want to be “tasting” like Kierkegaard! But again, of course, I completely respect your choice on the matter, whatever that be!

As you have admitted your belief of God is to stay clear of depression or other mental sufferings arising from an existential crisis.
You are perhaps a good human being and there is no issue with that.

But you are ignorant [??] of the Normal Distribution or Bell Curve, where a percentile of human beings are likely to be evil prone in contrast to the opposite of good.
Generally and conservatively approximately 20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency. [this need to be discussed and 'evil' need to be defined if you do not agree]
Therefore 20% of Muslim [conservatively] are evil prone with an active tendency to commit evil.

Now to ensure the 'depression' and mental sufferings are suppressed those from the 20% will do anything to please God including sacrificing their sons/daughters as suicide bombers or whatever Allah had exhorted them to do in the Quran which include load of evil acts to be committed on non-believers.

My assertion and so evident with this glaring evidence among others, note,


nb: to be more precise to the point, the above stats need some refinements.

This is why Islam is inferior to Christianity, Hinduism and other other mainstream religions.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am Yes, theism is the most and "very effective means" to get immediate relief against the existential crisis

Again we agree 100% on this. I just wanted to confirm this again!

Good.
Note whilst theism has the above benefits to suppress 'depression' and other mental sufferings, it has serious disadvantage as well.
To sustain suppression of depression and mental sufferings from the unavoidable existential crisis, SOME evil prone Muslims are compelled and inspired to commit terrible evils and violence as a divine duty on non-Muslims.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am It is so easy with theism to give immediate relief, i.e. just believe and surrender to God and one is saved with an instant experience of release of existential pains.

Absolutely agree! Indeed, belief in God, the Almighty is very easy and this is the “most effective means” against the depression of the “existential crisis”. We are completely agreeing here again.

Allah, the All-Knowing says in the Holy Quran in chapter 13, interpretation of meaning:

• 27. And those disbelieved say, “Why has a Sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?” Say, “Indeed, Allah lets go astray whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back (to Him),
  28. Those who believe and whose hearts find satisfaction in the remembrance of Allah. No doubt, in the remembrance of Allah the hearts find satisfaction.”
  29. Those who believe and do good deeds, for them is blessedness and a beautiful place of (final) return. [Quran 13:27-29]
  

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It is worth the repetition.
When you agree absolutely to my point, you are also agreeing indirectly that religion, especially Islam is inspiring those from the pool of 20% of evil prone Muslims to commit terrible evils and violence on non-Muslims re the evidence provided.

Note the other side of the suppression of depression and mental sufferings that compel and inspire the evil prone believers to commit terrible evil and violence in the name of a God which sanctions evil acts upon non-believers.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am The above reveal your very selfishness in only taking care of your own personal salvation rather than that of the human species and humanity into the future.

I can help you in your salvation as well if this is what you want. And for anybody reading this, this applies to you as well. I can tell you the way, there is no problem on my side. Do you want to be saved too? Just ask me, and I will help you, absolutely no worry. You don’t have to reply immediately, but if your existential depression is no longer bearable, then my proposition remains open and you can still contact me later. If you do not want to live the little that remains of your life in your depression related to the “existential crisis”, then just contact me and I’ll help if God wills.
The only caveat is that my proposition terminates when death comes to you. At that point, no one in terms of advice, can do anything for you.
Death is a certainty for each human being and no one knows when it will be for each of us except Allah, the All-Knowing.

Allah, the All-Knowing says in the Holy Quran, interpretation of meaning:

• Every soul will taste death, and you will be paid your reward in full only on the Day of Resurrection. Then whoever is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, then surely he is successful. And the life of this world is nothing but enjoyment of delusion. [Quran 3:185]
  

I hope you get to read this message in time and I am not too late.

This is what I mean by personal selfishness.
Note the above is proselytization.
That is done for selfish reasons to reinforce your belief to maintain and suppress the terrible impulses of potential mental sufferings pulsing from the inherent existential crisis.

Your proselytizing of Islam in fact contribute to more evil on Earth because 20% of people converted are born with an inherent active evil tendency and they will likely commit evil acts and violence when compelled and inspired by the evil laden verses in the Quran which are they naturally inclined to.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am To deal with the inherent existential crisis I have resorted to the core principles and practices [not as a follower of their organization] of Hinduism [advaita vedanta] for some time then to Buddhism plus Taoism and philosophy-proper.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my question, I appreciate that.

I find that the Advaita philosophy in Hinduism contradicts itself and Buddhism is not something I am inclined towards knowing what is in their scriptures and how they are justifying their violence by resort to their horrendous scriptures.

I find that philosophy (i.e. the use of reason and thinking) is good. But in my case it is not only good but also obligatory as per Islamic prescriptions in the Holy Quran. Allah, the All-Knowing says in the Holy Quran:

• Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason. [Quran, interpretation of meaning 8:22]

• Say, "I only advise you of one [thing] - that you stand for Allah, [seeking truth] in pairs and individually, and then give thought." There is not in your companion any madness. He is only a warner to you before a severe punishment. [Quran, interpretation of meaning 34:46]

And a medieval Islamic scholar in Spain by the name of Ibn Rushd has judged that the study of philosophy is compulsory (wajib) for those who can. Ibn Rushd is also known as the father of modern philosophy in the West. Anyway, so philosophy is a religious obligation for me from an Islamic perspective as I have been given the capacity by the Most Generous to do it. But for those who are not able to do it, they should not do it. Philosophy can be debilitating if one does not have the intellectual capacities.
For example, for someone like you I don’t think philosophy can benefit you, because as you already have a fragilized mental condition due to an unattended existential depression, so philosophy will exacerbate that condition and make your life more depressing as you yourself can witness by your inability to follow a high level intellectual discussion.

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Note Philosophy i.e. basically 'love of wisdom' is very loose term. It is claimed that there are as many definition of 'philosophy' as the number of people who attempt to define it.

From what you have posted I note you are only into Philosophy at the kindergarten level, i.e. far from Masters and Phd levels of Philosophy-proper.
I bet you do not even have a definition for What is Philosophy-proper?

As for the يَعْقِلُونَ [yaʿqilūna, Ayn-Qaf-Lam] in 8:22 I do not agree it refer to Philosophy-proper at the Masters or PhD level. At best it refer to higher common and conventional sense/intellect relative to the intellectual capacity of the people then 1500 years ago in the Arabia Peninsula.

Ibn Rushd may have got involved in some degree of Philosophy-proper based on his natural competence and inclination as a normal human being but definitely not by the commands within the Quran.

It is claimed that Ibn Rushd and his gang were able to deal with advanced fields of knowledge because they were 1000 of miles away from the grip of Islam-proper [dominant in the Saudi Peninsula] which forces Muslim not to think too much than the kindergarten stuffs in the Quran.

Btw, you cannot judge Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism-proper without a thorough understanding of their core principles. [..I have spent loads of time on this two religions].
How much time have you spent on reading Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism-proper?

Averroes wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:35 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:55 am Where is the reference where Nietzche had claimed he read the Quran thoroughly

I have done enough spoon feeding of you for today. You will have to learn to emancipate yourself from me and stop being a lazy parasite and start doing some serious thinking on your own.

This a kind of childish arrogance.
As I had stated, do not judge another person in this regard until you have dicussed 100 post or read 500 post of mine elsewhere.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:55 am The Quran as it is general presented is a very messy book to read, i.e. without a theme.
Most apologists like Karen Armstrong & others and even Islamic Scholars cannot see the 500 pound gorilla in the Quran due to confirmation bias.

I am not surprised at all that someone like you cannot perceive the structure of the Holy Quran! Even for me, who has been spoon feeding you philosophically since the start of our exchange, the structure of the Holy Quran was way beyond my level! So it is normal that you felt confused! So don’t worry about this one! I have had to read and listen to really exceptional minds to be able to understand the amazing structure of the Holy Quran. I touched on that on this forum itself. Please see some of my posts on the following thread to get a glimpse of the amazing structure of the Holy Quran: viewtopic.php?p=342538#p342538

Note I stated the Quran as it is. is generally presented at its worst i.e. not by its chronological order but generally by the size of the chapters, is messy. It seem to be deliberately presented to be messy so that those in authority can have an advantage over the masses.

I did not say I do not understand the proper theme of the Quran.
As an intellectual and philosophical responsible person I spent 3 years full time [6-7 hours per day] to research the Quran. I have also made the attempt to learn basic Arabic.
I dare claim the theme and ethos of the Quran whilst facilitate Muslims to get relief from the existential pains [depressing, etc.] is inherent evil to a greater degree.
This is proven by this


and the daily reports of evil and violence committed by SOME [a critical quantum] Muslims who are evil prone around the world.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:53 am I have already stated,
the 5th Century CE Sri Lankan chronicle, the Mahavamsa,
is not one of the main sutra of Buddhism or in this case Theravada Buddhism.

That is merely your opinion to which, of course, you are entitled to. However, according to the Buddhist monks and scholars such as Sitagu among many others, the Mahavamsa is accepted as a valid scripture in Theravada Buddhism from which Theravada Buddhists have been finding justifications for the killing of tens of thousands of innocent and defenseless women and children in Burma and Sri Lanka. These genocidal Buddhists are justifying the genocide occurring in Burma and the atrocities in Sri Lanka on their belief that they are “bringing glory to the doctrine of Siddhartha Gautama,” and they believe this is a way to heaven for them, as per their immoral genocide exhorting Buddhist scriptures.

As I had stated you lack the following;

• 1. An understanding of human nature [inevitably and naturally some a good and some as evil]
  2. You lack an understanding of the core principles of Buddhism-proper.

Note to critique Islam, I deliberately spent 3 years full time to research Islam.
Note I have read hundreds of secondary sources on Islam but one cannot fully rely on them. One must understand Allah's words directly which Allah had perfected, made easy, clear, etc.

If you are intellectually responsible you should do the same for Buddhism and any other religions before you can critique them with confidence.

As I had stated The Mahavamsa is not part of the main sutra of Theravada and Sitagu is unfortunately very stupid and not wise in making those remarks. Re Normal Distribution there will be people with a range of good, evil, stupid, wise, unwise, etc.

Indeed, this is just concerning Theravada Buddhism, but the other sects of Buddhism are no better in regard to genocide exhorting scriptures.
The other main branch of Buddhism namely Mahayana Buddhism which accounts for about 53% of the Buddhist world also has verses similar to Mahavamsa in their core scriptures. For example, among others the hideous Nirvana sutra (freely available on the web), where we can read the following.

It is reported in that scripture that the so-called “Buddha” said to Bodhisattva Kasyapa:

• O good man! A person who kills an icchantika does not suffer from the karmic returns due to the killings of the three kinds named above. O good man! All those Brahmins are of the class of the icchantika. For example, such actions as digging the ground, mowing the grass, felling trees, cutting up corpses, ill-speaking, and lashing do not call forth karmic returns. Killing an icchantika comes within the same category. No karmic results ensue. Why not? Because no Brahmins and no five laws to begin with faith, etc. are involved here [Maybe: no Brahmins are concerned with the "five roots" of faith, vigour, mindfulness, concentration, and Wisdom]. For this reason, killing [of this kind] does not carry one off to hell. [Nirvana Sutra]

In that same scripture it is also reported the following with the so-called “Buddha” saying:

• In just the same way, the Bodhisattva-mahasattva acts likewise for reasons of protecting Wonderful Dharma. Should beings slander Mahayana, he applies kindly lashings, in order to cure them. Or he may take life in order that what obtained in the past could be mended, thus seeing to it that the law [Dharma] could be accorded with. The Bodhisattva always thinks: "How might I best make beings aspire to faith? I shall always act as is best fitted to the occasion."[Nirvana Sutra]

An “icchantika” in Mahayana Buddhism refers to incorrigible human beings lacking the requisites for achieving enlightenment.

As can be witnessed from these killing verses of the Nirvana sutra, human beings are first dehumanize as in the Theravada scriptures and then their killing is made lawful without any repercussions in their incoherent beliefs system. This is the exact same concept in the both sects of Buddhism which together make about more than 90 % of the Buddhist world.

Yes the Nirvana Sutra of Mahayana is one of the main sutra but it is so thick that few verses are like lost needles in a haystack. As I had stated they are not leading verses.
Besides there are no incident of stupid Mahayana monks mentioning these verses to justify any killing.

One critical point is contexts.
There are probably a few verses among 100,000 of verses from the Buddhist sutras that contain traces of evil elements and they are totally overwhelmed by the compassionate verses. In addition Buddhist sutras are not immutable from A God.
In contrast >55% of the 6,236 verses in the Quran contain evil elements from low to high degrees.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:53 am As I had mentioned Sitagu [is stupid] should be condemned for bringing the above verses in his lecture which could be misconstrued by others.

Indeed, Sitagu is stupid as you said.
This is also due in part to the doctrine of Siddhartha itself being ineffective. The doctrine of Siddhartha, as is illustrated by the case of Sitagu and others, does not have the capacity to transform a person from being stupid to being intelligent. The latter is evidenced by the fact that even though Sitagu extensively studied and practiced Siddhartha’s teachings, he still remained a stupid person, as you say. And moreover, the doctrine of Siddhartha which claims to be compassionate and non-violent, is in fact ineffective to teach that the killing of innocent and defenseless women and children is wrong. But Sitagu is not the only one who is stupid and malignant, but also a significant number of Buddhists, who believe that the killing innocent and defenseless women and children can give them direct access to heaven as per their scriptures. This for me is proof that the teachings of Siddhartha is not effective to calibrate the moral compass of a person who follows him. For example, you yourself with your hate mongering and who claims to be following Siddhartha are also in the same category as Sitagu.

But Siddhartha himself was not a good embodiment of his own teachings either according to the information I have. In his lifetime, it is reported that there was a king by the name of Pasenadi who for a time was the protector and benefactor of Siddhartha and many of his followers. It should be noted that Buddhists monks, even though they are in good health, they do not work like every healthy human being. But they prefer to ask for the charity of the poor, when they could easily earn a living through their labor!

Any way, so Pasenadi took care of these lazy parasitic monks who survived on alms instead of on their own sweat. But Pasenadi also went into wars and killed many people, and yet it is reported that Siddhartha did not condemn him but just showed understanding to him, whereas he (i.e. Siddhartha) called the son of a fisherman named Sati by the derogatory label of “worthless man” for just having misunderstood him! Cunning Siddhartha must have been aware of the saying that one doesn’t bite at the hand that feeds and protects one!

I agree Buddhism-proper at this present phase and context is not as effective as the Abrahamic religions which offer instant salvation. The reason is the majority of people who has just evolved from animal nature are in the kindergarten and grade schools of spirituality and religiosity.
This is why even Buddhism-proper has to compromise when some monks accept practices in the belief of pseudo gods, praying to idols [statues], using joss-stick and all sort of external paraphernalias, with the hope that this lay Buddhist or even new monks will graduate to the higher levels of Buddhism proper.

However note humanity is evolving collectively as seen in the trend of the exponential trend of knowledge and technology. There is also progress in the adopting of higher Buddhist teachings, principles and practices around the world.

The usefulness of Buddhism will be more and more relevant as humanity progresses and advances in its average spiritual quotient [SQ].

The Buddha Story is actually a myth created to represent the core principles of Buddhism proper. Especially in those days, it would be stupid and not possible for a prince to give up his claim to a throne. Also note those fanciful stuff within the Story of the Buddha.

Buddhist monks asking for charity from the people is not a core practice of Buddhism proper and this is being phased out in modern times.

It is also very natural for perverted stories to be circulated at the fringe of the core principles and thus is is critical one need to differentiate between what are the core and the fringe pseudo principles.

In the past the monks and the clergy group has to spend and focus on maintaining the core teachings and practices thus they have to depend on the lay-people to support them. It is the same with any other religions including Islam and inevitably there are abuses.

But with the trend of the expansion of the internet and technology and once the database of the respective knowledge are loaded into the internet, the monks and clergy will play a lesser role to maintain the religion in the future.

At present, I can access to all the main sutras of Buddhism from the internet.
I can also access >50 English translations of the Quran plus the Quran in Arabic and it is the same with the texts of other religions.
Meanwhile there are tons of tutorial lessons in the internet teaching people on how to understand and do the exercises of the various religions.
In time the average person will rely less and less on the institution of organized religions.

Averroes wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:41 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:53 am Btw, would you claim you had understood the Quran thoroughly and have not missed out the critical elements due to confirmation bias? e.g. like not seeing the true nature of the face-image I posted earlier.

I do not claim and never claimed to have understood the Holy Quran thoroughly! I am not an Islamic scholar. I share only what I know about the Holy Quran and whatever I know in general. There are people who understand the Holy Quran much better than me. And many of these people were initially not Muslims! For example, many non-Muslims scientists have embraced Islam after having read the Holy Quran because they had found in it scientific statements which had only recently been discovered. And, of course, these experts would understand these scientific statements in the Holy Quran better than me!

For example there was a Buddhist who was also a Professor of modern Medicine in Thailand by the name of Tejatat Tejassen, who embraced Islam when he came to learn that his subject of expertise was mentioned in the Holy Quran in great detail! Professor Tejassen was astonished when he learned that 21st century developments in medical science was already found in the Holy Quran. He eventually embraced Islam. Here is a YouTube video of his conversion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Xek3DGrao


In the YouTube video he is saying the following:

Professor Tejatat Tejassen wrote:During the last three years, I became interested in the Quran.... From my study and what I have learned from this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth, which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible [as the] creator. This creator must be God. Therefore, I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger (Prophet) of Allah (God). Lastly, I must congratulate for the excellent and highly successful arrangement for this conference.... I have gained not only from the scientific point of view and religious point of view but also the great chance of meeting many well-known scientists and making many new friends among the participants. The most precious thing of all that I have gained by coming to this place is La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, and to have become a Muslim.

Professor Tejatat Tejassen, a former Buddhist and who is also an expert in the field of medicine has confirmed that the Holy Quran is the Word of God, the Almighty.


There is also another former Buddhist who understands the Holy Quran way much better than me. His name is Sheik Hussein Yee, who embraced Islam in the late 1960s and now he is an Islamic scholar. Here is a YouTube short interview of Sheik Yee (10 mins): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLFYOPRQbbE


There are many many other examples I can give you of former Buddhists having embraced Islam. It can be that as our interesting exchange progresses, if God wills, I will be able to share some more information with you and all interested members present on this forum. In any case, I find this exchange to be very beneficial for me, and I hope to benefit even more in the future but provided you make an effort to upgrade your philosophical level.

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If you understand human nature, you will note that there will be people of other religions converting to Islam and vice-versa for various [tons] of reasons.
So you cannot justify that a particular religion is good because there are some people who converted to that particular religion.

I have came across Professor Tejatat Tejassen.
I have also listened to videos of Sheik Hussein Yee. From what he had spoken he do not have a good grasp and understand Buddhism proper.

Those who claim to see patterns, mathematical or otherwise are merely wishful thinking and they will twist the verses and even delete some verses to align with their confirmation bias. Note

Debunking the odd-even mathematical miracle in the Qur’an
https://quranspotlight.wordpress.com/ar ... -debunked/

Whatever the patterns invented, they are not critical to the core principles of the Quran as represented in the 6,236 verses directly transmitted by Allah.

To understand and grasp the core principles of a religion one must do thorough research into the religion and preferable have done the practices involved.
Whether a religion is fundamentally good depend on its moral elements which must be subjected to the principles of the Philosophy of Morality. [..I wonder whether you are good at this since you mentioned you are higher rated philosopher].

I have done extensive research on the Quran [preferably since Ahadith not reliable].
I have analyzed the 6,236 verses on the Quran in one main theme [unfortunately evil laden] with more than 1300 sub-themes.

Tell me, of the 6,236 verse in the Quran;

1. how many [or in %] verses said any thing favorably of the infidels?
2. How many verses are directed at the infidels negatively or evily? - more than 55% i.e. 3400++ verses in various degrees.

If the Quran stated any good it is exclusively for Muslims only and not to non-believers the kafir [KFR] or infidels.

Note I have a main theme and 1300 sub-themes of the above.

Btw,, did you see anything odd with the face image I presented earlier?
Did you see two normal faces?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amBecause it is not a very serious point, I accepted that with some degree of doubt because I have not read of it earlier and has not read this books thoroughly.

Now that I have shown you how a serious thinker works, and spoon fed you with the documents where Kierkegaard admits that he was chronically depressed, have your doubts been resolved? Or are you still having difficulties understanding?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amNote I did not reject your proposition that Kierkegaard had suffered from chronic depression. Immediately I googled and noted there were mentioned of such a point.

Here I would suggest that you research the subject matter before you write about it, otherwise your ignorance will be exposed as was the case here!

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amYour above is not wise, i.e. not philosophical. You have wasted so much time on the above.

That is why I know and you are still ignorant. I am willing to spend my time to research and experiment thoroughly a subject, while you are still begging to be spoon fed continually. You have been made into a lazy existentially depressed ignorant parasite.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am I dare say you are suffering from some sort of existential crisis [not necessary chronic depression] that compel you to God and very unfortunately you end up with that evil laden TROP that straight-jacketted your spiritual progress.

Well you can say that if you want, but it does not have any effect on me! Now, what I mean by that is not accessible to your level, so as usual I will have to yet again spoon feed you!
Recall that we (both of you and me) already agreed that belief in God, the Almighty is a “very effective means” (as you yourself said) against the existential depression. Right? So since I believe in God, the Almighty then the “existential crisis” has no effect on me! And that’s why I am a happy person as I have taken the best currently available remedy against the “existential crisis.” Of course, you said that you are still waiting for science to find an “imminent” alternative “foolproof strategy” to belief in God, the Almighty. But at present, as you yourself admitted, science is still looking for that “foolproof strategy” (as you say)! In the meantime, you and those like you are “tasting” like Kierkegaard!
Of course, it goes without saying that I totally respect your choice on the matter!

Thanks for the point and you are one of the rare people who understand this fact.
For me agreeing with the fact that,
"belief in God, the Almighty is a “very effective means” against the existential depression" is a move towards a 'checkmate' position [a fact btw].

You are welcomed.
I appreciate the intention in your praise for being “a rare people who understand this fact,” but really I have to decline any merit in the matter because all praises and thanks belong to Allah, the Most Generous. He, the Almighty is the only One deserving of praises and thanks for my understanding and knowledge.
Yes, you can say that was a checkmate move on my part! Indeed, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that in remembrance of Allah, the Most Merciful, the hearts find satisfaction. I am pleased that we are agreeing again!

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amDNA wise, the existential crisis [that general depression] is a potential in ALL human beings and the majority are born with an inherent UNAVAOIDABLE active existential crisis.

Ever since human beings emerged, they have been compelled to seek relief against mental sufferings from the existential crisis. One of this is theism -the most effective means in the past and present circumstances - but not for the future due to the trend of its cons outweighing its pros.

Note theism works by relying on neural inhibitors to divert and suppress the very forceful impulses of the existential crisis.
These neural inhibitors work like dams modulating the terrible forces of a great river.
But because neural inhibitors are a later human development [Christianity about 2000+ and Islam 1500 years ago], they are very weak and vulnerable to leakages.

What is worse is where a religion's core doctrinal texts is loaded with evil elements, one good example is Islam where the Quran is loaded with evil elements.

When the inhibitors that inhibit the primal existential crisis leak and threaten 'depression' and sufferings SOME [ a critical* 'some'] evil prone and vulnerable believers will do whatever it takes to secure their existential security. This is where the critical some are inspired by loads of evil elements in the Quran to commit terrible evils on non-Muslims as a divine duty to please Allah and suppress their 'depression'.

Repeated material.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amBut you are ignorant [??] of the Normal Distribution or Bell Curve, where a percentile of human beings are likely to be evil prone in contrast to the opposite of good.

You have put question marks (i.e. ‘[??]’) next to the word ignorance, I take it that you are asking me if I know about the Normal distribution. If that be the case, then the answer is: yes, quite well!
If you want to go into statistics, then let us go into statistics.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amGenerally and conservatively approximately 20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency. [this need to be discussed and 'evil' need to be defined if you do not agree]

Yes, I want to discuss about that. Give me the evidence of the statistical study which has been conducted which shows that “20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency.” Which statistical organization has conducted this statistical study? Where are those statistics reported?

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amTo sustain suppression of depression and mental sufferings from the unavoidable existential crisis, SOME evil prone Muslims are compelled and inspired to commit terrible evils and violence as a divine duty on non-Muslims.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amNote the other side of the suppression of depression and mental sufferings that compel and inspire the evil prone believers to commit terrible evil and violence in the name of a God which sanctions evil acts upon non-believers.

Repeated material again! You keep repeating the same material over and over again that one can skim through much of your posts as there is nothing new to learn from them. As I have said before and can be witnessed by everyone here, philosophizing is exacerbating your unattended existential depression and now you have reached the stage of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD).

For those who are here just reading passively you might be interested to check what is obsessive-compulsive disorder from the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) of the US here: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/ ... ndex.shtml

The article says:

• Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a common, chronic and long-lasting disorder in which a person has uncontrollable, reoccurring thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions) that he or she feels the urge to repeat over and over.

This is a serious disease which impairs the normal functioning of an individual in society and for which I highly advise to seek professional help.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:36 am The above reveal your very selfishness in only taking care of your own personal salvation rather than that of the human species and humanity into the future.

I can help you in your salvation as well if this is what you want. And for anybody reading this, this applies to you as well. I can tell you the way, there is no problem on my side. Do you want to be saved too? Just ask me, and I will help you, absolutely no worry. You don’t have to reply immediately, but if your existential depression is no longer bearable, then my proposition remains open and you can still contact me later. If you do not want to live the little that remains of your life in your depression related to the “existential crisis”, then just contact me and I’ll help if God wills.
The only caveat is that my proposition terminates when death comes to you. At that point, no one in terms of advice, can do anything for you.
Death is a certainty for each human being and no one knows when it will be for each of us except Allah, the All-Knowing.

Allah, the All-Knowing says in the Holy Quran, interpretation of meaning:

• Every soul will taste death, and you will be paid your reward in full only on the Day of Resurrection. Then whoever is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, then surely he is successful. And the life of this world is nothing but enjoyment of delusion. [Quran 3:185]
  

I hope you get to read this message in time and I am not too late.

This is what I mean by personal selfishness.
Note the above is proselytization.

I was not proselytizing Islam in that comment of mine you referred to. I have no problem with proselytizing about Islam but here I was not proselytizing! You had asked for my help in you wanting me to help you and others get their salvation too. And I accepted to offer my help to you and all those interested. I also mentioned the fact that one day, we are all going to die. In that too, there is no proselytizing as it is just a statement of a fact. Don’t you agree? The average life expectancy of a human being is around 27, 000 days; that is what statisticians have calculated. So, how much out of the 27,000 days have already gone by for you? Each day that passes each one of us is getting closer to the tomb. That is a fact that must be recognized, and I do not see any proselytizing in mentioning that too.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 am... in fact contribute to more evil on Earth because 20% of people converted are born with an inherent active evil tendency and they will likely commit evil acts and violence when compelled and inspired by the evil laden verses in the Quran which are they naturally inclined to.

Repeated material yet again!

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:43 am From what you have posted I note you are only into Philosophy at the kindergarten level, i.e. far from Masters and Phd levels of Philosophy-proper.
I bet you do not even have a definition for What is Philosophy-proper?

Due to your major numerous intellectual challenges and due to your suffering from a chronic existential depression, we are certainly not going to have the same concept and experience of what thinking, reason, intellect, and wisdom is about!

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:43 amHow much time have you spent on reading Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism-proper?

Sufficient to form a negative opinion of both. The first is contradictory and the second is just ineffective and also horrendous as you yourself agreed later. A religion like Buddhism which preaches that its adherents are required to be lazy parasites and a burden on society when they could be earning an honest living through their own sweat is not an ideal that I aspire to.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:47 amNote to critique Islam, I deliberately spent 3 years full time to research Islam.
Note I have read hundreds of secondary sources on Islam but one cannot fully rely on them. One must understand Allah's words directly which Allah had perfected, made easy, clear, etc.

So here you are implying that you have spent 3 years studying Islam and now since you are able to understand the Words of Allah, the All-Wise in the Holy Quran, you are able to critique Islam.

So as you have learned the Arabic language and are able to understand Quranic Arabic as you imply, then you might be interested to listen to a contemporary scholar in the Arabic language. His analysis of Quranic Arabic is the one of the best available nowadays. Here is a video of him explaining the eloquent Arabic of some verse in the Holy Quran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LXS5jXjXTQ

After you have watched it we can discuss about the subject matter of his analysis. What were the verses he was analyzing? What are your thoughts?

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:47 am Yes the Nirvana Sutra of Mahayana is one of the main sutra but it is so thick that few verses are like lost needles in a haystack. As I had stated they are not leading verses.
Besides there are no incident of stupid Mahayana monks mentioning these verses to justify any killing.

To be addressed later, if Allah wills.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:47 amI agree Buddhism-proper at this present phase and context is not as effective as the Abrahamic religions which offer instant salvation. The reason is the majority of people who has just evolved from animal nature are in the kindergarten and grade schools of spirituality and religiosity.
This is why even Buddhism-proper has to compromise when some monks accept practices in the belief of pseudo gods, praying to idols [statues], using joss-stick and all sort of external paraphernalias, with the hope that this lay Buddhist or even new monks will graduate to the higher levels of Buddhism proper.

Indeed, the religion of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) is the best of all religions as you say.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:47 amBesides there are no incident of stupid Mahayana monks mentioning these verses to justify any killing.

There were and still are a lot. You should learn about history, I can’t keep spoon feeding you every bit of common knowledge. This is a philosophy forum site and not a daycare center!
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:03 am If you understand human nature, you will note that there will be people of other religions converting to Islam and vice-versa for various [tons] of reasons.

Indeed, many people are converting to Islam as you already know. In fact, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. And demographers (i.e. statisticians) forecast that by 2050-2070, Islam will be predominant religion in the world by numbers of adherents to the faith, displacing Christianity. A lot of people are converting to Islam, more than to any other religion and these are statistical facts.
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It was claimed that the Odd-Even pattern in the Holy Quran was "debunked" thus:

Those who claim to see patterns, mathematical or otherwise are merely wishful thinking and they will twist the verses and even delete some verses to align with their confirmation bias. Note

Debunking the odd-even mathematical miracle in the Qur’an
https://quranspotlight.wordpress.com/ar ... -debunked/

The Debunker has in turn been decisively debunked philosophically and mathematically here:http://philosophyforum.aba.ae/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=368

Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:50 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amBecause it is not a very serious point, I accepted that with some degree of doubt because I have not read of it earlier and has not read this books thoroughly.

Now that I have shown you how a serious thinker works, and spoon fed you with the documents where Kierkegaard admits that he was chronically depressed, have your doubts been resolved? Or are you still having difficulties understanding?

Being condescending is a sign of intellectual immaturity.
This is typical of theists when their weakness is exposed, they attack blindly with whatever come to their mind.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amNote I did not reject your proposition that Kierkegaard had suffered from chronic depression. Immediately I googled and noted there were mentioned of such a point.

Here I would suggest that you research the subject matter before you write about it, otherwise your ignorance will be exposed as was the case here!

This is a very immature view.
As I had stated, it was not a serious point for view to warrant detailed research.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amYour above is not wise, i.e. not philosophical. You have wasted so much time on the above.

That is why I know and you are still ignorant. I am willing to spend my time to research and experiment thoroughly a subject, while you are still begging to be spoon fed continually. You have been made into a lazy existentially depressed ignorant parasite.

Again such views are signs of immaturity.
Me Begging??
I would advise you not to go into ad hominens and the above kind of personal attacks, this is surely a sign of insecurity and low self-esteem due to lack of substance in your responses.
I presume there are forum rules here against personal attack.
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You are welcomed.
I appreciate the intention in your praise for being “a rare people who understand this fact,” but really I have to decline any merit in the matter because all praises and thanks belong to Allah, the Most Generous. He, the Almighty is the only One deserving of praises and thanks for my understanding and knowledge.
Yes, you can say that was a checkmate move on my part! Indeed, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that in remembrance of Allah, the Most Merciful, the hearts find satisfaction. I am pleased that we are agreeing again!

You are thinking too highly of yourself.
My point was your acceptance is you are cornering yourself and it is a checkmate move on my part

Repeated material.

Repetition is a positive feature especially in philosophy to reinforce communication of a point.
If you have understood, just ignore it.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amGenerally and conservatively approximately 20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency. [this need to be discussed and 'evil' need to be defined if you do not agree]

Yes, I want to discuss about that. Give me the evidence of the statistical study which has been conducted which shows that “20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency.” Which statistical organization has conducted this statistical study? Where are those statistics reported?

You complained of spoon-feeding.
Now who asking to be spoon-fed?
Note, I am not into such childish 'spoon feeding' thing, just pointing your silly attitude.

I define 'evil' in terms of any human act or thought that is net-negative to the well being of the individual and humanity.

Lying is an evil act of varying degree depending on the respective circumstances.

Sixty Percent of Your Colleagues Are Lying to You
University of Massachusetts psychologist Robert Feldman has studied lying for more than a decade, and his research has reached some startling conclusions. Most shocking is that 60% of people lie during a typical 10-minute conversation and that they average two to three lies during that short timeframe.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-travi ... 44758.html

Note this, bribery and corruption are also evil [as defined],

Percentage of people around the world who have paid a bribe to selected services in 2013
This statistic shows bribery rates around the world as of 2013, by service. In a survey conducted between September 2012 and March 2013 in 95 countries around the world, people were asked if they or anyone living in their household paid a bribe in any form in the past 12 months to any of selected official institutions (education system; judicial system; medical and health services; police; registry and permit services; utilities; tax; land services).
In 2013, 31 percent of respondents around the world had paid a bribe to the police.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/262 ... y-service/

There is a wide range of evil acts.

Note I mentioned very specifically 'conservatively' and 'approximately' 20% of ALL people are born with an active tendency to commit evil acts.
The above statistics [60% lying, 31% bribery] prove my point.

My ultimate point on this is;

• 1. 20% of ALL people are born with evil tendency and they are vulnerable to be triggered by evil elements in various sources, media, books, ideologies, religions, etc.
  
  2. thus 20% of Muslims are born with evil tendency.
  
  3. The Quran [6236 verses] is laden with loads [range] of evil elements.
  
  4. This is why SOME [a very significant quantum] are committing terrible evils and violence on non-Muslims around the world.
  
  5. Therefore a major part of Islam comprised of an evil ideology that warrant serious attention.

Repeated material again! You keep repeating the same material over and over again that one can skim through much of your posts as there is nothing new to learn from them. As I have said before and can be witnessed by everyone here, philosophizing is exacerbating your unattended existential depression and now you have reached the stage of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD).

For those who are here just reading passively you might be interested to check what is obsessive-compulsive disorder from the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) of the US here: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/ ... ndex.shtml

The article says:

• Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a common, chronic and long-lasting disorder in which a person has uncontrollable, reoccurring thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions) that he or she feels the urge to repeat over and over.

This is a serious disease which impairs the normal functioning of an individual in society and for which I highly advise to seek professional help

This is one of the most stupid inference and bad unsound logic I have come across.

• One feature of OCD is repetition,
  X made repetition,
  Therefore X suffers from OCD.

What you missed out in your unsound logic is context.

Note how Hamza Tzortzis [a popular Muslim speaker] exposed this fallacy by the typical Muslim who claim the Quran is full of scientific miracles;

DOES THE QUR’AN CONTAIN SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES? A NEW APPROACH ON HOW TO RECONCILE AND DISCUSS SCIENCE IN THE QUR’AN
http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/does-the-q ... -approach/

1. The Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle

The science in the Qur’ān claim commits a logical fallacy called the fallacy of the undistributed middle. This fallacy is where two different things are equated due to a common middle ground that is misused. Below is a generic example:

1. All As are Cs

2. All Bs are Cs

3. Therefore all As are Bs

The above fallacy is in the conclusion. Since A and B share the common category C, it doesn’t follow that A is the same as B.

I will repeat again, repetition is one of the most critical strategy to facilitate communication and the improvement of skills.
Does a sport person has OCD when he has to repeat a move or technique a thousand in a day or a million times in a month.
That you [as a Muslims] have to pray the same thing five times a day and perhaps think of Allah every second a case of OCD? Do ALL Muslims has OCD or Allah induces OCDs?

I was not proselytizing Islam in that comment of mine you referred to. I have no problem with proselytizing about Islam but here I was not proselytizing!

You had asked for my help in you wanting me to help you and others get their salvation too. And I accepted to offer my help to you and all those interested.

I also mentioned the fact that one day, we are all going to die. In that too, there is no proselytizing as it is just a statement of a fact. Don’t you agree? The average life expectancy of a human being is around 27, 000 days; that is what statisticians have calculated. So, how much out of the 27,000 days have already gone by for you? Each day that passes each one of us is getting closer to the tomb. That is a fact that must be recognized, and I do not see any proselytizing in mentioning that too.

Re the bold, you are lying! That is an evil act.
Where did I ask you for help to get salvation.

You did not mention 'the fact that one day, we are all going to die' in this posting.
This inevitability of mortality is public knowledge.
This inevitability of mortality is one factor that cause the existential crisis which compels people into theism.

Mortality is a fact but theists deny and cannot accept this fact thus the desperation and yearning for eternal life to counter mortality.
This existential desperation in theists is so strong that they are willing to do anything their God command them to do, including killing one's own son like Abraham.
This the same existential desperation that compels SOME* evil prone Muslims to be inspired and kill and commit terrible evil acts on non-Muslims as a divine duty in compliance with the evil ideology of Allah in the Quran [& Ahadith].
* note 'SOME' i.e. conservatively 20% is 300 million [need refinement] evil prone Muslims around the world. Even if 1% that is 15 million!!

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 am... in fact contribute to more evil on Earth because 20% of people converted are born with an inherent active evil tendency and they will likely commit evil acts and violence when compelled and inspired by the evil laden verses in the Quran which are they naturally inclined to.

Repeated material yet again!

That is to support my critical point on why Islam [a major part] is such a threat to humanity to the extent SOME Muslims could even exterminate the human species.
This is possible when these SOME evil prone Muslims get access to cheap WMDs [nukes and biological, etc.]. They have nothing to lose as Allah has condemned life on Earth [Dunya] and regardless of what happened to the world, they will go to Paradise with merit [inexhaustible sex and renewal virgins].

Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:50 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:43 amHow much time have you spent on reading Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism-proper?

Sufficient to form a negative opinion of both. The first is contradictory and the second is just ineffective and also horrendous as you yourself agreed later. A religion like Buddhism which preaches that its adherents are required to be lazy parasites and a burden on society when they could be earning an honest living through their own sweat is not an ideal that I aspire to.

You are intellectually dishonest here.
Buddhism proper does not preach its adherent to be lazy parasites!

You did not answer my question above.
To give sound and critical critique of Buddhism or Hinduism [specific school] you need to do reasonable research and understand [not necessary agree nor adopt the religion] the main doctrines and principles.
Give me a rough answer on how much time and what sutras [which school] have you read of Buddhism.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:47 amNote to critique Islam, I deliberately spent 3 years full time to research Islam.
Note I have read hundreds of secondary sources on Islam but one cannot fully rely on them. One must understand Allah's words directly which Allah had perfected, made easy, clear, etc.

So here you are implying that you have spent 3 years studying Islam and now since you are able to understand the Words of Allah, the All-Wise in the Holy Quran, you are able to critique Islam.

So as you have learned the Arabic language and are able to understand Quranic Arabic as you imply, then you might be interested to listen to a contemporary scholar in the Arabic language. His analysis of Quranic Arabic is the one of the best available nowadays. Here is a video of him explaining the eloquent Arabic of some verse in the Holy Quran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LXS5jXjXTQ

After you have watched it we can discuss about the subject matter of his analysis. What were the verses he was analyzing? What are your thoughts?

I specified 'basic' in my post earlier.
I did not claim to have mastered written or spoken Arabic.
'Basic' in this sense meant I have understood the basic linguistic principles and structures of the Arabic language which is more critical than being able to write, read and speak Arabic.

Often Muslims will claim those who do not understand Arabic will not be able to understand the Quran from translations.
I have acquired sufficient basic linguistic knowledge to counter any weaknesses of totally ignorant of Arabic.

I am not going to waste time mastering Arabic nor to speak Arabic.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:47 amI agree Buddhism-proper at this present phase and context is not as effective as the Abrahamic religions which offer instant salvation. The reason is the majority of people who has just evolved from animal nature are in the kindergarten and grade schools of spirituality and religiosity.
This is why even Buddhism-proper has to compromise when some monks accept practices in the belief of pseudo gods, praying to idols [statues], using joss-stick and all sort of external paraphernalias, with the hope that this lay Buddhist or even new monks will graduate to the higher levels of Buddhism proper.

Indeed, the religion of Prophet Abraham (pbuh) is the best of all religions as you say.

I did not say the Abrahamic religions are the best of all religions, i.e. the best in all times. I only state in this present phase and context in line with the very low spiritual quotient of the majority.
Note this OP already implied the Abrahamic religions are inferior to Hinduism.
The Abrahamic religions [especially] are loaded with tons of evil elements which are supposedly immutable for eternity.
But change is inevitable and humanity is evolving.
At present humanity can already sensed Islam [ a major part] is an evil ideology that is being tolerated but it has to go in the future so that humanity can progress efficiently.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:47 amBesides there are no incident of stupid Mahayana monks mentioning these verses to justify any killing.

There were and still are a lot. You should learn about history, I can’t keep spoon feeding you every bit of common knowledge. This is a philosophy forum site and not a daycare center!

You are trying to escape your intellectual responsibility by giving silly excuses.
I am certain there are none. I insist you produce evidence where Mahayana monks had mentioned those verses to justify any killing.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:03 am If you understand human nature, you will note that there will be people of other religions converting to Islam and vice-versa for various [tons] of reasons.

Indeed, many people are converting to Islam as you already know. In fact, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. And demographers (i.e. statisticians) forecast that by 2050-2070, Islam will be predominant religion in the world by numbers of adherents to the faith, displacing Christianity. A lot of people are converting to Islam, more than to any other religion and these are statistical facts.

Yes, there are evidence of growth for Islam.
But this is heavily explained by the point, the critical factor for the growth is due to birth and very coercive laws and not by conversion. Muslims [via birth jihad] has a higher rate of birth per family than most groups which I belief is an evil propensity for the future of the world of scarce resources.
I believe more people are deconverting [getting out] from Islam [put off by the evil elements in the ideology] than converting to Islam.

In terms of conversion, I believe Christianity [of love and compassion] in contrast to evil laden Islam] will be in the lead for the 40% [600 million] of simple theistic minded people of China in the near future. This was what happened to Confucius and Buddhist South Korea where there are now apprx 40% of Christians.

But the obvious is, with the internet more and more people are becoming aware and understood the evil ethos underlying the ideology of Islam. This is supported by the obvious evidence of the terrible evils and violence committed by a % of evil prone Muslims [unfortunately born] as a divine duty to please Allah to gain favor to enter Paradise.

Averroes wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:55 pm It was claimed that the Odd-Even pattern in the Holy Quran was "debunked" thus:

Those who claim to see patterns, mathematical or otherwise are merely wishful thinking and they will twist the verses and even delete some verses to align with their confirmation bias. Note

Debunking the odd-even mathematical miracle in the Qur’an
https://quranspotlight.wordpress.com/ar ... -debunked/

The Debunker has in turn been decisively debunked philosophically and mathematically here:http://philosophyforum.aba.ae/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=368

This is the same fallacy as propounded by Hamza Andreas Tzortzis regarding scientific miracles in the Quran.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:04 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Sep 01, 2018 5:22 amNote I did not reject your proposition that Kierkegaard had suffered from chronic depression. Immediately I googled and noted there were mentioned of such a point.

Here I would suggest that you research the subject matter before you write about it, otherwise your ignorance will be exposed as was the case here!

This is a very immature view.
As I had stated, it was not a serious point for view to warrant detailed research.

That is only your opinion. I disagree. The depression of Kierkegaard was indeed very important and had to be researched. But as you are lazy, you find all kinds of lame excuses so as not to sweat.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:04 am Me Begging??

Indeed, you beg continually. But we already understood that that is just in your traditions and customs since Buddhism prescribes its strict adherents to beg for a living when they could be earning an honest living through hard work.

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:04 am I would advise you not to go into ad hominens and the above kind of personal attacks, this is surely a sign of insecurity and low self-esteem due to lack of substance in your responses.

Thank you for your advice, but there was no personal attack whatsoever on my part on you. I was just stating the facts about you. I said you were lazy and that’s a fact for you consider serious research about the subject that you yourself raised, i.e. Kierkegaard chronic existential depression, to be a waste of time. If it was a waste of time to talk about Kierkegaard’ s anxiety then you should not have brought it up in the first place. Since you brought it up then you should have done your research properly! But since you are so lazy that was just too much work for you! And again you had to be spoon fed.
I also said you were existentially depressed. There is no personal attack in that as you yourself claimed to be existentially depressed! I was just stating the facts.
I also said you were ignorant. It is abundantly clear that you are ignorant as I have repeatedly demonstrated in this thread itself by having had to spoon feed you continually.
And since you are inclined to a religion that prescribes begging when you could be earning an honest living through hard work, then the term “parasite” is a quite appropriate description of you.

So to conclude, you are still a lazy existentially depressed ignorant parasite. And that is just a statement of facts, which can be evidenced by everyone.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:04 am I presume there are forum rules here against personal attack.

There is no such rule. We are only recommended to be nice to each other and treat each other as adults, as per forum rule #1. But since I am having to continually spoon feed you, it’s impossible for me to consider you as an adult. And since you are a hate preacher, it is impossible to be nice to you. So, in a nutshell, this rule does not apply to you specifically.