Philosophy Now Forum

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:08 pm Perfectly reasonable post from Greta.

In considering a reply to this:

Is my response kind?
Yes.

Is my response true?
Yes.

Is my response necessary?
No. Greta already heard. No need to amplify.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:36 pm

Greta wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:24 pm Actually, it is you two fanatical evangelists who are the controlled conformists, locked into an ancient theology and unable and unwilling to absorb new information.

Where did the Ancient Egyptians get their superior knowledge of architecture, art, physics, and medicine from?

Where did Nikola Tesla get his knowledge from?

What has happened to that knowledge and why are we not using it now?

That was because:

1. Ancient Egyptians had vastly inferior knowledge of architecture, art, physics, and medicine as compared with modernity.

2. Modern societies have vastly superior knowledge of architecture, art, physics, and medicine as compared with ancient Egyptians

I appreciate that #2 is the same as #1 but the point was so critical that it bore repeating.

Geta Wrote

1. Ancient Egyptians had vastly inferior knowledge of architecture, art, physics....

Of course we are unable to build a pyramid like the Great Pyramid of Giza or even understand its purpose like those stupid Egyptians could.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:58 pm Geta Wrote

1. Ancient Egyptians had vastly inferior knowledge of architecture, art, physics....

Of course we are unable to build a pyramid like the Great Pyramid of Giza or even understand its purpose like those stupid Egyptians could.

The building of pyramids is not the benchmark of architectural attainment. Having 20,000 construction workers halve their lifespans hauling around huge blocks of stone is a logistic less available to the modern world than to the despotic tyrants of antiquity.

Many modern societies could easily build larger and stronger pyramids than were built by the ancients if there was a reason to do so, but the ancient Egyptians could not build ANY of the modern architectural wonders, or even come close to it. Hence, the ancient Egyptians never built a space station or large hadron collider. Do you think that, if they had the ability to build such things that they would not, knowing the acquisitive and curious nature of that culture?

Of course much knowledge is always lost throughout history. Much environmental knowledge was lost when Europeans and Asians conquered indigenous peoples too. Welcome to life. One hopes you will eventually acclimatise.

Greta wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:38 pm
Modern societies have vastly superior knowledge of architecture, art, physics, and medicine as compared with ancient Egyptians

Egyptians built pyramids that have stood for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.

Modern socities have built space shuttles that explode in mid-air, high story tower blocks that become towering infernos at the slightest appearance of an electrical spark, airplanes that fall out of the sky, or go missing for no apparent reason, usually due to pilot error. Huge ocean liners that sink on impact with an iceberg. Produced cars that are choking the quality of the air we breath. The idea that humanity are dependant upon Fossil fuels would have made Tesla turn in his grave with laughter. Medical drugs that kill us, turn us into comatised zombies, rather than heal us. Produced food that is toxic to the body, produced food that is purposely addictive as to make half the population morbidly obese. Has produced tobbacco and alcohol which are dangerously addictive and kill us.Produced an education that has no meaning or purpose other than to award one with a piece of useless paper that does not guarantee any job after graduation. My son has just had to remove his newly graduated PhD award off of his CV in order that he find a job, because he too qualified to take the only jobs that are available right now. Where are all the jobs that students were promised?
More and more students suffering mental breakdowns through stress of having to prove their worth in society. No jobs at the end of all their efforts. What a con that turned out to be.

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Greta wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:19 am
Of course much knowledge is always lost throughout history. Much environmental knowledge was lost when Europeans and Asians conquered indigenous peoples too. Welcome to life. One hopes you will eventually acclimatise.

You really are so ignorant to believe knowledge can be lost. You are also ignorant to believe knowledge belongs to human beings.

All the technology in the modern world today has always existed timelessly - if it hadn't, how could it have ever manifested at all?
It doesn't make sense to make comparisions of superior or inferior, as all knowledge that ever was, is, and will be..is sourced from the same place, it has to exist all at once simultaneously which is here NOW - NOW here.

Humans are the action figures that apply this free knowledge resulting in the manifestation of that knowledge in the form of physcial structure that is the seen world.

The action figure is the machine that weaves the material world into manifestion, but the knower is another matter....who or what is the knower?

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Greta wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:19 am
Many modern societies could easily build larger and stronger pyramids than were built by the ancients if there was a reason to do so, but the ancient Egyptians could not build ANY of the modern architectural wonders, or even come close to it.

You see this is where you are very confused, but it is not your fault, it is the fault of your conditioning to believe in time.

You see the people, aka machines, action figures who built the pyramids are the same action figures that are around to day, along with the knowledge of how to build them, it's just that there is no use for them anymore, it's not that they cannot be built now, as they can. And that same logic applies to the technology we see today...the egyptians had no reason to use that technolgical knowledge we see in the world today, simply because it had not entered their awareness...it's not that the knowledge didn't exist, of course it existed because it's manifesting here now today.

Today and yesterday only exist Now...there is no time separating before or after, there is no inbetween now and now, it's all NOW...knowledge only becomes available on demand for it....there is only the eternal now. Now is the only place life happens.

You are being totally clueless to suggest that the egyptians could not build ANY of the modern architectural wonders... how can you possibly say that because these architectural wonders are only possible because that knowledge exists NOW.
THE NOW OF PAST IS THE SAME NOW AS THE FUTURE ...NOW never moves.

Just because the ideas had not yet entered the egyptians awareness doesn't mean it was impossible. It does not mean the ideas did not exist, because if they exist now, then they must have always existed, because there is only NOW. I don't know if this is too simple for you to grasp.

Greta wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:19 amHence, the ancient Egyptians never built a space station or large hadron collider. Do you think that, if they had the ability to build such things that they would not, knowing the acquisitive and curious nature of that culture?

Doesn't mean the ideas didn't exist, a knowledge CANNOT BECOME KNOWN until that knowledge is tapped /tuned into on demand for it, and that knowledge has then entered the awareness. There is only everything that ever is was and ever will be existing simultaneously and instantaneously NOW.

Time is what's stops EVERYTHING from happening all at once.

Nick is right, you are stuck in your conditioned secular mind-set greta, set by others, and fail to see the bigger picture. But welcome to life as an avatar, the world of limitational knowledge.


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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:14 am

Greta wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:19 am
Of course much knowledge is always lost throughout history. Much environmental knowledge was lost when Europeans and Asians conquered indigenous peoples too. Welcome to life. One hopes you will eventually acclimatise.

You really are so ignorant to believe knowledge can be lost. You are also ignorant to believe knowledge belongs to human beings.

Just putting your immature trolling aside, information cannot be lost but knowledge can be, certainly for all practical means and purposes.

Greta wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:16 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:14 am

Greta wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:19 am
Of course much knowledge is always lost throughout history. Much environmental knowledge was lost when Europeans and Asians conquered indigenous peoples too. Welcome to life. One hopes you will eventually acclimatise.

You really are so ignorant to believe knowledge can be lost. You are also ignorant to believe knowledge belongs to human beings.

Just putting your immature trolling aside, information cannot be lost but knowledge can be, certainly for all practical means and purposes.

Knowledge implies a knower.

The knower can never be lost, because the knower is inseparable from the knowledge known.. go back to real school and get yourself a proper education ..you spend too much time loitering around toy town...it serves you no purpose or reason to think with clear clarity.

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I love the way ignoramusus call knowledge holders trolls.

It's like how dare one say knowledge can never be lost.

It's like no, you can't possible know that, because that knowedge is lost don't you know.

The joke is on you...who believes that knowledge can be lost.

There are two types of nothing aka knowledge in the world.

The no thing that is reality.

And the desperate no thing that is the mind of /greta.

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Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:09 pm

Ecclesiastes 1:9 New International Version (NIV)
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

It is all the same stuff. The problem is remembering it.

I know Nick, thanks, and thanks for being able to stand firm and strong against the eddies whose only purpose is to trap you into limitation and fear, which does not serve you other than to distract you away from the knowledge you have always known...rememebering who you are. Only the strong stand strong and last forever...built of pure true grit and resillience to endure forever.

I say jog on to bad education... real education uplifts us, it is not meant to make us feel as though we are not good enough, or are are lacking and therefore deemed too stupid to understand the bigger picture.

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(In case it helps) Tone disclaimer: My comments/questions below are being said in a completely calm voice:

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:16 am I know Nick... /...thanks for being able to stand firm and strong against the eddies whose only purpose is to trap you into limitation and fear

Which channel are you on now, DAM? WHO is it that traps Nick into limitation and fear? Why are you not regarding such a notion the way you typically would with anyone else?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:16 am real education uplifts us, it is not meant to make us feel as though we are not good enough...

Doesn't Nick constantly aim to make "progressives" feel that they are not good enough? He can't even acknowledge the higher nature and qualities of people who he labels as progressives. He talks about all kinds of superficial divisions, exclusions, and rules. Why haven't you challenged that as you are typically eager to do?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:16 am ...or are are lacking and therefore deemed too stupid to understand the bigger picture

Haven't many of us used this tactic -- including you and Nick? Are you ignoring that right now too?

This channel-changing to suit your focus of the moment is why it seems you are in a spin, and that you'll say/ignore anything within that. Does that seem honest and clear to you?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:16 am

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:09 pm

Ecclesiastes 1:9 New International Version (NIV)
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

It is all the same stuff. The problem is remembering it.

I know Nick, thanks, and thanks for being able to stand firm and strong against the eddies whose only purpose is to trap you into limitation and fear, which does not serve you other than to distract you away from the knowledge you have always known...rememebering who you are. Only the strong stand strong and last forever...built of pure true grit and resillience to endure forever.

I say jog on to bad education... real education uplifts us, it is not meant to make us feel as though we are not good enough, or are are lacking and therefore deemed too stupid to understand the bigger picture.

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I appreciate your concern but I know the game. Feel bad for the young in these institutions of psychological child abuse called secular progressive schools. They don't know the game. They are taught to attack scapegoats and become snowflakes in order to protect themselves from the reality of self knowledge

How is it that some people become seekers of truth even at the risk of provoking the growls of the Great Beast? Why do some have an overwhelming need for truth most don't understand and are willing to risk everything for it? What could be worse than some kid growing up with this need and the talent to pursue it as they have it slowly killed inside of them and made "normal" for the world by the spirit killers?

The spiritual philosophical attraction to the big picture vs the secular progressive attraction to fragmentation and specialization. This battle is as foolish as the opposition between science and religion as it exists now. But the war is on and the best we can do is to support the young who intuite this stupidity and support those offering legitimate alternatives.

I say jog on to bad education... real education uplifts us, it is not meant to make us feel as though we are not good enough, or are are lacking and therefore deemed too stupid to understand the bigger picture.

Very true. Secular progressive education is the science of indoctrination. It teaches what we must do while human education is the gradual process of remembering what we ARE - Human life in eternity. Once we acquire the experience of what we ARE, then we can open to conscience revealing the futility of indoctrination.

It is all the same stuff. The problem is remembering it.

You're right Nick, you have great awareness of the human condition, that's all I'm saying.

The thing is, no one can kill the spirit, it's immortal.

The great beast doesn't want us to know that.

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Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:33 pm
Feel bad for the young in these institutions of psychological child abuse called secular progressive schools. They don't know the game. They are taught to attack scapegoats and become snowflakes in order to protect themselves from the reality of self knowledge

It's legalised child abuse Nick. Children are just the innocent pawns in the game, easy to manipulate since they have no life experience to know any different, it's sad.

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Some children are non-complient, and can see through the game though, some manage to slip through the net... I was, is one of them...haha!

Kind of tells me I'm not really of this planet.