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Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:39 pm

Lacewing wrote: Fuck you, Nick. I'm so disgusted by your dishonesty and wavering position to please yourself. GO DO THAT IN PRIVATE!!!

prelude to war?

-Imp

That made me laugh and choke on my drink of water.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:52 pm Regardless of FU's the ancient idea I propose which is the essence of Christinaity remains.

Yes, you like ancient ideas from very primitive thinking. Move on!

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:52 pm Even theough Man as a whole cannot change what we do and will continue to follow the great cycles of nature's laws, we can change what we ARE through conscious evolution.

What the fuck ever, Nick. You can play games with words and move them all around to suit your fancy. The MEANING is what matters... and the way you torque and destroy meanings is CRAP.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:52 pm You can hate and reject this idea with all your might...

The idea is NOT CLEVER, Nick. It is your own mangled mess. I simply look upon it as I look upon dog poo. I do not hate dog poo either. But if feeling "hated" makes you feel significant, you'll weave that into your mangled mess.

Just shut the fuck up with all of the nonsense.

I'm having a glorious day, by the way.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 11:32 pm I don't understand the "attack/war mentality" -- I think it must be a primitive form of insanity or stupidity. I can appreciate "sparring" for the purpose of increasing awareness and agility, but attacks that are meant for the sole purpose of destroying another and everything associated with them seems like a form of blind fury, lacking broader awareness.

It's man's collective survival instinct.

in our DNA.

sadly.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 11:32 pm Does waging war truly RESOLVE anything? (I'm not talking about the profitability associated with it.)

usually not. but sometimes in rares cases it does solve things.

i.e. ww2 - a "just war" Germans (nd japs too) were living under the "Bully mentality" (for there own reasons - not sure of WRT to Japan - but WRT to Germany via in inferiority complex/economic depear - so they all viewed "the rest of the world was against them" - and so welcome militarism to "destory" that world in order to elavete themselves.


their view was "Evil" - on the wrong side of history and right conduct.

war was the last and sadly the last "Cure".


Marshall plan was the wise conduct per after war conduct to have (prob. learned from your folly via our conduct after the prior war - ww1 - were we did not offer a similar "marshall plan" and paid a price 25 yr later.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 11:32 pm Can being SMARTER be more effective than using brute force?

sadly no usually appeasment in the face of a bully only make the bully to be more of one.

a nice "hit on the nose" of the bully is the cure.

BTW - when Germanly invaded Poland they only ONLY let 1/10th of their forces on the Western Front.

HAD FRANCE/ENGLAND had BALLS!!!!!!!!!!! in sept/oct of 39 they had the means to MOVE INTO Western Germany and stopped ww2 before it started (Hitler would have shitted himself and sued for some sort of peace).

but instead they just sat on the western front while poland was removed from history...........and the rest is well history - including ww2.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 11:32 pm Why do so many men like war so much? Is it because they're not smart enough to figure out anything else? Do they instead measure their "intelligence" by the size of their weapons?

most folks to not "like war" - but a few idiot do i grant you.

the remainder leave their minds at the alter of nationalism sadly.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 11:32 pm And while we're at it, why do so many men attack with their penis? How is it that they can rationalize doing such a thing? Doesn't it sound ridiculously stupid? I can't imagine ever attacking anyone with my boobs.

I look forward to all responses...

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Impenitent wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 11:40 pm over population control

since our DNA predates agriculture - the hunter/gathering food resources are not all that high.

i.e. i concure with your assement as to the role of war.

this of course ties in with the usual Tribalism - fear of the "other" /etc.

food for our tribe, not your tribe/s.

Walker wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:05 pm War is good for conquest and conflict resolution, and good for voicing disapproval of war.

LW wrote: I don't understand the "attack/war mentality"

Like a sucker punch, attack/war can be pre-emptive in the face of the inevitable. Not understanding war should not be confused with disapproval of war, and since war is woven into the fabric of humanity, one should endeavor to understand war.

agree fully!

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 3:32 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:05 pm if some moron shows up to claim your mind and body as his own, you might begin to understand the mentality of war from within, even while disapproving of your own warlike actions.

Sure! That seems to be an appropriate response in the moment. What I don't understand is the mindset of war for conquering and controlling and destroying as much as possible. There's never an end because the mindset is not interested in peace. It's essentially a mindset of continuous rape.

yes - it ties in with in inferiority complex and playing the victim while you rape and pillage Poles in the name of making a great nation.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 3:32 pm Which I guess is what made me think of the relationship to the penis.

Re: Phil getting his penis registered as a weapon... ...love it! Please, please DO IT! I would love to see that on the News!

from the above i assume you are a women. i'm not, i have a penis and never rape anyone. nor do i view my member as weapon (I take offence WRT to your view of my member and per i assume the body that it is attached to as a weapon).
you are free to have your view - i value free thought (but it does not mean i'm a mangina and am ok with it).

I disagree with your sexism per this post.


women can be as big of a dick as men BTW.

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:28 pm There are many reasons for war. One of them is treaties. WWII started due to Germany's invasion of Poland which England was bound to by treaty. WWI started due to the assassination of a member of royalty and his country was linked to other countries by treaty. It's a complicated mess.

PhilX

Prince of Austria killed by serbs (which as the the spark for ww1) - but could have still been avoided had Germany not attacked Russia over this.

blame the Kaiser.

per WW2 - another animal - its writing was on the wall per 1932, and would have been averted had France/England had the balls to invade Germany while they were illegally taking over Poland..........................

but they just "sat" and awaited the "phoney war" instead...............cowards.

QuantumT wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:57 pm Imagine a nazi Europe.

i have.

QuantumT wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:57 pm War is only good for stopping something worse.

AS BAD as NAZI Euroope or worse (dabatable is there could be a worse).

agreed

-1- wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 10:40 pm

Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:59 am Lacewing said:

"And while we're at it, why do so many men attack with their penis? How is it that they can rationalize doing such a thing? Doesn't it sound ridiculously stupid? I can't imagine ever attacking anyone with my boobs."

I wonder if I should get mine registered, like a gun?

PhilX

I am guilty of carrying a concealed weapon.

i don't have a gun having depressant tendencies the last thing i need to have lying around.

I value the Rule of Law - so as long as you abide by the Law per your state vie conceal carry i'm ok with it.

if you conceal outside of your State Law's per the particular, the we will have to have a dissagrement Sir!

-1- wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 10:49 pm


2. It resolved the slavery issue in the USA

that is what we are taught in primary schools in US. but IMO this is not so.

US Civil War was due to Slavery (economics of the elite cotton plantationers) as to why WHY the South seceeded from the Union (which was legal BTW - as was Slavery in the northern states - Maryland/Delaware (another thing you never learned in school - also the emancipation proclimation exucluded said slaves in said States on of the Union)).

Lincoln was concerned with unity - with or without slavery - had the South decided to return to the Union by 1863, slavery would have remained legal - as it was in Maryland and Delaware as union states.

----------------sad fact is that do to mechanization Slavery would have become uneconomical within 20 yrs, and the whole Civil War (and the millions that died - avoidable!

all you need to do is look to Brazil to see the "global trend" - the LAST slave nation - which HAD NO WAR - outlawed slavery in 1889.


.................

saner, less "hot heads" would had they governed in america in 1860 - would never had suceeded, and slaves would have continued to be legal in the South (and the two North States i mentioned above) - until 1890 or so...............then they would have been freed,

and many lives saved, and war averted ;-/.

-1- wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 11:18 pm
2. There was never a war against gender or lifestyle choices.

not so that was Germany's first war in the early 30's.

along with the crazy and retarded (sorry for using non-pc terms - i loeth PC anything).

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 11:21 pm

Noax wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 10:54 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:56 pm Can being SMARTER be more effective than using brute force?

...coming up with a plausible alternative, one that makes the 'smarter' group fare better than the war-like group.

I was making a statement of BRAINS vs. BRAWN. There is no specific solution to offer for all conflicts -- it depends on the situation and people involved, of course! My question was pointing out the potential of intelligence (and possessing broader awareness) outwitting those who are charging forth relying mostly on their arsenal of weapons. It's not an outlandish thing to consider... and it's certainly not ignorant.

If you and Henry cannot fathom such a thing, that demonstrates the limits of your thinking.

I understand your premise and think it wrong.

i.e. when the thug is invading your lands, the eggheads need to stop "thinking" (or trying to reason with) - and instead STOOP to the invader's level and kick their ass!!!!!!!!!!!!

if they don't the will lose everytime.

look to the Spanish Civil War - Republicans had it won - internal division, lack of leadership (and naval gazing...............) - 5 yrs later Franco is at the door.

Classic "snatching defeat from the jaw if victory" if there ever as one.


they (replublicans) - got what they deserved IMO - they had it "Won" then pissed it away so fk em.

Franco got what he deserved too - victory over fools had they brains would have won! - Spain.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 12:34 am
Reason backed by demonstrable capacity for violence can lead to fruitful cooperation (this is the heart of diplomacy). Impotent reason (peace mongering and pacifism) is just fodder for the graveyard.

agreed

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 4:19 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 10:24 am If you're gonna get prissy, don't truncate quotes.

Questioning each of your complete sentences somehow compromises your message? Uh no, it made no difference. You could have easily answered my questions, as you THEN went on to do.

So, after being a big baby, you evolved to say this:

Walker wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 10:27 am As a principle, war begins within.
War is conflict.
No conflict, no war.
No internal conflict, no internal war.
The absence of internal conflict indicates peace of mind.
This peace of mind is independent of circumstances.
With this peace of mind, spontaneous ahimsa is the dividing line between good and evil, between human life and savage innocence of a wild animal.

Yes. Peace of mind is independent of circumstances! I'm adding: Broader awareness can evaporate conflict because it sees a bigger picture, along with more potential. I'm questioning why mankind is so primitively intoxicated with a small-minded attack/war mentality. If we think we're so evolved, let's ask such questions instead of only defending and reinforcing how we've been or how we are.

War = stupid. ...And attacking with a penis = stupid.

Depends on the size of the ... war.

Peek-a-boo.