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I sometimes think that people like you are just quite insane. You crazies act as though you need to look outside yourself to find moral truths, that someone else has to answer the questions for you, that you're merely a parrot, which is ridiculous, as it's inside each one of us. It's as simple as the golden rule refined to account for those things philosophers have found incomplete within it's wisdom. It's beauty can easily be understood by simply learning of how many cultures throughout history have coined similar axioms. It's more universal amongst humans than probably any other axiom. I mean is it really any wonder. The desire to survive, survival of the fittest, animal autonomic systems, etc!Nick_A wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:24 amI’ve learned that many secularists on this site do not believe in objective eternal values. How can there be if there is no Source of existence within which eternal values originate? Consequently we either create our own subjective values or allow the state to enforce its subjective values by law.Infanticide
the crime of killing a child within a year of birth.
From this perspective is there any reason to be against infanticide? If there is no objective value, there can be no objective difference in value of a late term fetus and a week old baby. They are both equally dependent creatures with no objective right to life. So if the mother doesn’t want it, why shouldn’t she kill it? She has created her own reality which states that this week old creature has no objective worth. Is she wrong? How can she be if respect for life as an eternal value is just imagination?
Should subjective societal laws be changed to allow a woman to kill her one week old baby since it lacks objective eternal value and is now just an inconvenience? If not, why not?
Do you know what the word hate means. I'll tell you:Greta wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:59 am
You are infamous on this forum for your hatred of secularists, atheists, women, "snowflakes" and left-wingers.
I have never met a person in real life that hated non-religious people as much as you do. My sister was a fundamentalist and not even her crowd hated secularists as you do. Actually, they didn't hate secularists; they just usually avoided them.
If you won't own your hate, it will always own you.
Granted, there are women I like and women I don't but how is this a hatred for women? This is just silly.Religion in so far as it is a source of consolation is a hindrance to true faith; and in this sense atheism is a purification. I have to be an atheist with that part of myself which is not made for God. Among those in whom the supernatural part of themselves has not been awakened, the atheists are right and the believers wrong.
- Simone Weil, Faiths of Meditation; Contemplation of the divine
the Simone Weil Reader, edited by George A. Panichas (David McKay Co. NY 1977) p 417
Simone Weil wrote:Make way for the new religion, the one that is steeped in truth, (not lies), that which unfolds as our science uncovers it.
"To restore to science as a whole, for mathematics as well as psychology and sociology, the sense of its origin and veritable destiny as a bridge leading toward God---not by diminishing, but by increasing precision in demonstration, verification and supposition---that would indeed be a task worth accomplishing."
Are you worrying about how this baby died or are you just using it's death to support your agenda? And why does it matter as your 'eternal values' have this fate as that baby's karma and the actions of the mother as her karma so they chose their fate and what point in opposing, worrying or challenging this eternal dharma?Nick_A wrote:What's the problem? We know it was just a worthless organism. Why worry how this baby died? Admit that it was meaningless and get on with the more important issues of your daily life. ...
You are definitely one sick hombre. What you have made beyond abundantly clear by your countless posts that arguing with a disease won't ever cure it or annul it. Is this what all your "eternal values" has done to you! What you really need to groove yourself back to some sense of sanity is a couch, a shrink and a couple of years of therapyNick_A wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:03 am Dubious wrote
What does it mean "to look human?" Since it isn't an objective standard, looking human is a subjective determination. A very convenient method to justify genocides. Perhaps Jews didn't look sufficiently human to the Nazis which justified the Holocaust"When does an "it" become a human being?"
When it begins to look human; do you need a lesson in biology?
I know you do, but some people don't see that...they only see what they want to see. If they did not recognise your words in their own self they would have no objection. It's their own ''self thoughts'' that they hate... not you. One cannot get angry about an issue unless they them self believe it to be true.
I really hear you Nick...but it will fall on deaf ears. Those with ears will hear, those with eyes will see, many are called, few are chosen...Your compassion is clearly palpable from another awakened being here.Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:28 amI don't hate snowflakes; I feel sorry for them. Just the thought of me being indoctrinated into a mindless snowflake sends shivers up my spine. I feel bad for them. They are being robbed of their ability to think and feel as a human being. I feel compassion for what they are enduring, not hatred.
You are fighting against self imposed interpretations which are killing you inside. Is it really preferable to learning to impartially discuss ideas?
Clueless.
Every thing dies, get over it, nothing belongs to you.
But it's your belief too, otherwise you'd not be getting all flared up and angry at yourself...do you not see how powerful beliefs actually are?Greta wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:59 am
You are infamous on this forum for your hatred of secularists, atheists, women, "snowflakes" and left-wingers.
I have never met a person in real life that hated non-religious people as much as you do. My sister was a fundamentalist and not even her crowd hated secularists as you do. Actually, they didn't hate secularists; they just usually avoided them.
If you won't own your hate, it will always own you.
And look at what you have now said to him...in above quote.. Why are you insulting and abusing Nick now? Do you not see the blatant hypocrisy ?All this would have ended except that I banned him from the other forum for being abusive and insulting.
Without the thought ''religion'' what is there here?SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:25 am
Archaic religions have absolutely no place in modern human life, except for their place in the history of philosophy. Only as some of the stepping stones that have gotten us to this place in understanding the past and current human condition.
Make way for the new religion, the one that is steeped in truth, (not lies), that which unfolds as our science uncovers it.
You are literally creating the idea of ''religion'' with your incessant belief there is such a thing that exists...anything with the fa'cult'y for thought aka the mind has an imagination...any thing imagined automatically becomes a cult...stop creating cults.SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:25 amArchaic religions have absolutely no place in modern human life, except for their place in the history of philosophy. Only as some of the stepping stones that have gotten us to this place in understanding the past and current human condition.
Great, then go and buy the best and most expensive chemistry set on the market ..and make a human being out of it. And then when you've done that, perhaps you can make a hummingbird.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:14 amClueless.
Every thing dies, get over it, nothing belongs to you.
Amazing, I get that feeling as well! That means there's nothing to get over!
Only things die, not the not-a-thing in which they appear...as long as you identify yourself as a thing you will lose every time...get it.
Not really...or maybe YOU don't get it with all the stupid mystical garbage borrowed, of course, from that cesspool of wisdom called The East.
It doesn't matter what either of us GET! When I croak and when you croak we'll ALL be in the same place called Nowhere, figuratively speaking, without knowing a single person, place or event encountered in your life...including yourself and even what life is or was. I don't doubt that for many that can actually be a blessing!
Btw, the main scriptures I have massive respect for are the Vedas and the Upanishads which are commentaries on the Vedas; to complete the trinity of the sublime the inclusion of the Bhagavad Gita is likewise indispensable.
Think on these things, think about the divine pleasure of the finest melted chocolate exploding it's silky smooth sensation inside your mouth.
...and then what?
Too much negative attention can cause dis-ease.
...and too many illusions may cause insanity.
Equilibrium at ease ..discernment is the key..let the dead bury the dead.
I'm quite certain that in ALL of history the dead never buried someone else who just died...and it wouldn't be good for business either!
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I got news for you. That requires nature's laboratory not an expensive chemical set and YOU are a creature of that process along with everything else that's alive. After your time is over, if not cremated, the process continues by "decomposing" you. Live with it!
You’re preaching to the already converted.Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:45 amI got news for you. That requires nature's laboratory not an expensive chemical set and YOU are a creature of that process along with everything else that's alive. After your time is over, if not cremated, the process continues by "decomposing" you. Live with it!