A world without privacy.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You get weirder by the post.

[Terrapin Station]

In theory, I don't think it should be a problem (a world without privacy). However, in my opinion it would be a problem in lieu of social attitudes changing. Too many people are not comfortable letting other people do their own thing. They're not comfortable when people do not conform to social norms. Politics, sports, the entertainment industry, etc., are more scandal-oriented than ever, because information is more available than ever before. Stuff that used to stay private doesn't any longer. And people are moralizing coformists about it. That's more of a problem than ever with the political correctness and social justice warrior movements. They're all about conformist-minded moralizing, with seeming focuses on being offended. I can't imagine that this situation wouldn't be even worse with no privacy as a policy.

[TSBU]

In theory, I don't think it should be a problem (a world without privacy). However, in my opinion it would be a problem in lieu of social attitudes changing. Too many people are not comfortable letting other people do their own thing. They're not comfortable when people do not conform to social norms. Politics, sports, the entertainment industry, etc., are more scandal-oriented than ever, because information is more available than ever before. Stuff that used to stay private doesn't any longer. And people are moralizing coformists about it. That's more of a problem than ever with the political correctness and social justice warrior movements. They're all about conformist-minded moralizing, with seeming focuses on being offended. I can't imagine that this situation wouldn't be even worse with no privacy as a policy.

The world without privacy is not a problem itself, it's better for every honest and good person. But, how to reach that world, that's a big problem, that was the main plot, many people would fight that world, and masses would claim, as thay've literally claimed in history "hail the chains", just think in how many famous and rich people are there, and how many of them truly deserve that fame, money, whatever. Power is based in lies and ilussions... just think in Hitler, in any gang with a band of punks, in any politician... just imagine them in their real life. Who would obey? no one, but now, they are listened, and those in power would fight to protect the statu quo.

Just think in how many arguments are based in exageration, talk louder, seem more confindent in what you say, etc... useless in that world. Of course, in this world, being honest grant you being hated and ostrized, it's been always that way... but, hell, if I were saying this 50 years ago I would probably be in jail... and I wouldn't be able to say it to people in the other side of the world, etc. Private? things happening in north Korea.

[Greta]

In theory, I don't think it should be a problem (a world without privacy). However, in my opinion it would be a problem in lieu of social attitudes changing. Too many people are not comfortable letting other people do their own thing. They're not comfortable when people do not conform to social norms. Politics, sports, the entertainment industry, etc., are more scandal-oriented than ever, because information is more available than ever before. Stuff that used to stay private doesn't any longer. And people are moralizing conformists about it. That's more of a problem than ever with the political correctness and social justice warrior movements. They're all about conformist-minded moralizing, with seeming focuses on being offended. I can't imagine that this situation wouldn't be even worse with no privacy as a policy.

This conformism is happening in every area as far as I can tell. I post on a musician forum and I've noticed an increasing intolerance for any ideas that are considered unorthodox. The pressure is quite oppressive at times.

[TSBU]

You gotta be kidding...

[henry quirk]

"The world without privacy is not a problem itself, it's better for every honest and good person."

I'm an *honest and *good person and I still don't want pervs watchin' me take a dump.









*not really

[Scott Mayers]

I raised this concern to a local coffee group to which i heard the usual, "well, if you've got nothing to hide..?."

I wanted to say (but didn't), "Then you don't mind me looking through your cell phone right now, correct?"

They just banned this costume window prop in some Detroit news report I saw yesterday:

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What's wrong with me being allowed to prop this gift to that hot neighborhood girl's house down the block? She got something to hide too?

[henry quirk]

"Well, if you've got nothing to hide..?."

Every one has sumthin' to hide, 'cept children.

You shoulda asked to take a gander at those cell phones

[TSBU]

I raised this concern to a local coffee group to which i heard the usual, "well, if you've got nothing to hide..?."

I envy you . But, as you can see in this place, the most common position is yours: You'll fight to make people blind to your activities.

I wanted to say (but didn't), "Then you don't mind me looking through your cell phone right now, correct?"

Yeah, of course, you are the kind of person who usually don't show how he thinks. You probably didn't say that cause that's a stupid sentence. Anyway, if you have hacks skills (but... you don't), then, you can use my webcam or whatever.

They just banned this costume window prop in some Detroit news report I saw yesterday:

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What's wrong with me being allowed to prop this gift to that hot neighborhood girl's house down the block? She got something to hide too?

Evidently, we have different meanings to our territory, some people may get disturbed if you put stupidity in their lifes, other people get offended if you don't have any consequence in their life at all, but you know them.

"Well, if you've got nothing to hide..?."

Every one has sumthin' to hide, 'cept children.

Yeah, some people have said I'm like a baby with two years old. You seem to feel that everybody is corrupted, we have a sentence here, "The thief thinks that everybody is a thief", something like that.

By the way, is easy to put a subject to your post, if you delete the subject, you force other people to click in the forum to see what you've said.

[henry quirk]

"You seem to feel that everybody is corrupted"

No, just human.

[TSBU]

"You seem to feel that everybody is corrupted"

No, just human.

I forgot that I'm an alien. You are right, we are not the same specie.

[Scott Mayers]

I raised this concern to a local coffee group to which i heard the usual, "well, if you've got nothing to hide..?."

I envy you . But, as you can see in this place, the most common position is yours: You'll fight to make people blind to your activities.

Hmmm I use my real name; I often have people complaining that I should learn to tweet because my posts are too long and deep.

I think you've mistaken me for someone else. While I believe in 'privacy', in practice I'm way more open than most.

But 'privacy' is about whether I should have a right to not worry about leaving a camera set up on my computer while walking around naked if I so choose. (among other things I do when naked!)

Privacy is about knowing that businesses aren't using your data (even without identifying information) that gets used to literally create more problems for us when they learn how to anticipate what and when each of us is going to the store, knowing that one would likely be buying toilette paper on some unique day (and even hour) based upon automatic pricing through such data collection.

Privacy is about those trivial but semi-blackmail cards USED everywhere to do the same. By raising the prices artificially for those NOT using the card forces people to require using them but then your purchases are used to determine what you buy.

Note too, for instance, that while it may be technically illegitimate for say, a pharmacist, to openly share or use ones private information. Stores can easily use the linked card to the purchase COST that often are unique identifiers of what medications you take. Thus that information gets used to potentially bias you capacity to benefit using insurances.

Privacy is about the hacking that VASTLY originates with COMPANIES and Governments, not the Anonymous(TM) kind of groups that act with
often some 'cause' by young thinkers and experimenters.

Yeah, some people have said I'm like a baby with two years old. You seem to feel that everybody is corrupted, we have a sentence here, "The thief thinks that everybody is a thief", something like that.

By the way, is easy to put a subject to your post, if you delete the subject, you force other people to click in the forum to see what you've said.

To the underlined: So I HEAR you saying that if anyone complains about X, it assure it is PROJECTION (the proper name of this effect)? This is true if you both have valid as well as invalid reasons to believe something against X.

But I have an offer for ANYONE to assert projection as a means to turn tables: DO give me your cell phone numbers here online with everyone to see; Stop using you own handles (anonymous names); When you have company over, be sure to place all your valuables out where you can demonstrate how trusting you are of them. Take off your clothes and bring out the sex toys for display.

I've suggested this: Demand politicians who demand laws to enable breaching privacy to be unable to have the hypocritical right themselves to be secret; to have a 24-7 cameras on them wherever they go in a 'reality show' format.

[TSBU]

Hmmm I use my real name; I often have people complaining that I should learn to tweet because my posts are too long and deep.

Are you sure they said the word "deep"?

I think you've mistaken me for someone else.

No.

While I believe in 'privacy', in practice I'm way more open than most.

This is a yes/no question. You can give an explanation after that, you say "no, I won't like it".

But 'privacy' is about whether I should have a right to not worry about leaving a camera set up on my computer while walking around naked if I so choose. (among other things I do when naked!)

Why do you guys are so afraid to show your naked bodies or sex? Fucking religion... anyway, "rights" doesn't exist, you may feel you are fair, and me too. So it's a matter of territory. And you think that looking at you should be punished.

Privacy is about knowing that businesses aren't using your data (even without identifying information) that gets used to literally create more problems for us when they learn how to anticipate what and when each of us is going to the store, knowing that one would likely be buying toilette paper on some unique day (and even hour) based upon automatic pricing through such data collection.

I said everybody. So, privacy is about seeing who is the businessman selling that way, and who is the honest one. It's also a matter of, yes, giving you toilette paper when you need it. That's good!
Yes, people are stupid. They work based in how to steal more. It would be great to see them all.

Note too, for instance, that while it may be technically illegitimate for say, a pharmacist, to openly share or use ones private information. Stores can easily use the linked card to the purchase COST that often are unique identifiers of what medications you take. Thus that information gets used to potentially bias you capacity to benefit using insurances.

You seem to have a lack of imagination. I think pharmacys should give your info to everybody. (But what if I have something like sida? Well, that would en with many things like that.)

Privacy is about the hacking that VASTLY originates with COMPANIES and Governments, not the Anonymous(TM) kind of groups that act with
often some 'cause' by young thinkers and experimenters.

People with high hack skills, have good things to do, and wrong things. If a hacker goes to your computer, he is not very good, or he would be hacking better things. If he see, that's good, if he uses wrong what he knows, he is bad. But seeing itself doesn't make him a bad person. So privacy is not about that.

To the underlined: So I HEAR you saying that if anyone complains about X, it assure it is PROJECTION (the proper name of this effect)? This is true if you both have valid as well as invalid reasons to believe something against X. .

Ehhhm... no? Evidently, obviously, no? If you say that everybody has something to hide. Thats obviously a projection, you are not everybody.

But I have an offer for ANYONE to assert projection as a means to turn tables: DO give me your cell phone numbers here online with everyone to see; Stop using you own handles (anonymous names);

I said my name, I gave my skype. I wont say my mobile phone, and I wont explain why, because the same reason I dont explain 2+2=4. Do you seriously believe you are being brave puting your name in a fucking forum? Lol...

I've suggested this: Demand politicians who demand laws to enable breaching privacy to be unable to have the hypocritical right themselves to be secret; to have a 24-7 cameras on them wherever they go in a 'reality show' format.

Did you even read the op?

[Scott Mayers]

TSBU,

I can't make sense of HOW you are speaking. At first I thought I was misinterpreting you but it appears that you MUST NOT speak English as your native language. It also appears that you don't interpret English the same way either. So you are relatively novel or are possibly using some translator program. So, without prejudice in the least, I can't even answer anything above. Sorry.

[TSBU]

TSBU,

I can't make sense of HOW you are speaking. At first I thought I was misinterpreting you but it appears that you MUST NOT speak English as your native language. It also appears that you don't interpret English the same way either. So you are relatively novel or are possibly using some translator program. So, without prejudice in the least, I can't even answer anything above. Sorry.

My English sucks, but it's not the real problem. I've heard the same answer in my own language. The problem is that you can't follow my thoughts.