Time does not exist.

[bahman]

As I said go read up about it, instead of this "x-mas present shaking". If you had you would know we experience time consciously and we often say that time goes slow or fast depending on situation, then the other part is called biological clock.

So you claim that you can experience time. We have five senses for experiencing our environment. Could you please tell me which sense is helping us to experience time?

We of course have psychological motions but we can pause it if we don't allow that our minds get scattered with our sensations and inner movement, such as thought. You can see that there is no experience of time if you try to do this simple task.

You come here and want cozy chat, not a serious discussion. People must hand feed you very basic information because you are unable to get it yourself. This is why such person usually don't have a good job, because they will stay ignorant and only rely on fragments of information which gives a false incoherent picture of reality.

I have hear such a voice before when people's believes are challenged. That really doesn't offer anything useful so I just leave it to you/them.

Go read up on it from the source, I do not intend to hand feed you everything. You are nothing but a leech.

So you give up discussing!? That was very early.

[HexHammer]

So you give up discussing!? That was very early.

I love discussing with someone who is informed, not a complete ignorant.

[Terrapin Station]

"Hence" makes no sense there. Relative motion between two things exists.

"Hence" makes sense there since what we are really measuring is the relative motion between two things.

But that's what time is. Motion or (processual) change.

[bahman]

So you give up discussing!? That was very early.

I love discussing with someone who is informed, not a complete ignorant.

How you could be sure that who is ignorant if you leave the discussion so early? I am here and ready for debate. It is all up to you.

[bahman]

"Hence" makes no sense there. Relative motion between two things exists.

"Hence" makes sense there since what we are really measuring is the relative motion between two things.

But that's what time is. Motion or (processual) change.

Time is a concept related to relative motions and not motion. That is the difference.

[Terrapin Station]

Time is a concept related to relative motions and not motion. That is the difference.

Why would we say that it's not motion? Especially if saying so leads us to saying something absurd like "It doesn't exist"?

[HexHammer]

So you give up discussing!? That was very early.

I love discussing with someone who is informed, not a complete ignorant.

How you could be sure that who is ignorant if you leave the discussion so early? I am here and ready for debate. It is all up to you.

[bahman]

Why would we say that it's not motion?

Because we can observe/experience motions directly so it is easy to measure relative motion which is related to concept of time.

Especially if saying so leads us to saying something absurd like "It doesn't exist"?

Time does not exist objectively meaning that it could not be experienced. It is simply a concept that we construct to know changes relative to motion of standard clock.

[bahman]

What does this mean?

[HexHammer]

What does this mean?

I know you are playing unusual stupid just to try to annoy me, and it's very amusing!

[bahman]

What does this mean?

I know you are playing unusual stupid just to try to annoy me, and it's very amusing!

So you give up?

[Hobbes' Choice]

"Hence" makes sense there since what we are really measuring is the relative motion between two things.

But that's what time is. Motion or (processual) change.

Time is a concept related to relative motions and not motion. That is the difference.

In what way does "motion" exist, where "time" does not?

[ken]

bahman

I have not had the "time" to read the whole post yet, but if and when we get further into this discussion, then it will be discovered that not just 'time', itself, does not exist but also 'space', itself, does not exist, in the way most people think they exist.

Do you think that could also be a possibility?

We can say with 100% certainty that we only experience forms and motions.

You may say that, but I would be very reluctant to speak for ALL others.

I also could argue against what you said but for now I will leave it.

Without space we couldn't have any form hence space exist.

Before we discuss/argue this point, I want you to answer My question first. 

Time in another hand is a concept that we define it in term of relative motion between two things, one of the things is our standard clock and another is subject of our study (as it is illustrate in OP), hence time does not exist.

I am not sure why you are repeating things to Me regarding the non-existence of time. I agree wholeheartedly "time" in the general concept of time does NOT exist. I said that previously. I just asked the question, Do you think that there could be a possibility that space could also not exist? A simple yes or no would suffice here.

I just want you to see that if you are not open to the possibility that space does not exist, then that will explain and as such is the reason WHY it is so hard for you to explain to others that time does not exist, in the way you are talking about "time" here, if they believe time does exist. If people are not open to a "new" idea or a new way of looking at (some) things, then just saying and repeating things, even with proof and evidence, will not work on most occasions. What is needed is a new way to express/explain, which by the way if that new way is found or discovered please let me know of it

[bahman]

But that's what time is. Motion or (processual) change.

Time is a concept related to relative motions and not motion. That is the difference.

In what way does "motion" exist, where "time" does not?

We directly experience motion by our senses. We cannot experience time directly since we have no sense for such a experience. Time is only a concept which can be derived from relative motion. We however have psychological motions so we can experience the relative motions which we falsely interpret it as passage of time. We can simply find out that time does not exist using a simple task: Just find a quite place and don't let that your mind scattered by any outside and inside stimuli. You will find that there is no passage of time since there is no relative motion.

[bahman]

I am not sure why you are repeating things to Me regarding the non-existence of time. I agree wholeheartedly "time" in the general concept of time does NOT exist. I said that previously. I just asked the question, Do you think that there could be a possibility that space could also not exist? A simple yes or no would suffice here.

No, space exists.

I just want you to see that if you are not open to the possibility that space does not exist, then that will explain and as such is the reason WHY it is so hard for you to explain to others that time does not exist, in the way you are talking about "time" here, if they believe time does exist. If people are not open to a "new" idea or a new way of looking at (some) things, then just saying and repeating things, even with proof and evidence, will not work on most occasions. What is needed is a new way to express/explain, which by the way if that new way is found or discovered please let me know of it.

That is true. It was very difficult for me too to find out a line of reasoning to show that time does not exist. I don't think if I could do better than that since my argument is very simple and short.