Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?

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PhilX's evidence.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_theology

"Further information: Ten Commandments § Numbering schemes
The Old Testament refers to ten individual commandments,[15][16][17] even though there are more than ten imperative sentences in the two relevant texts: Exodus 20:1–17 and Deuteronomy 5:6–21.[18][19] The Old Testament does not make clear how the texts should be divided to arrive at ten commandments."
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There are six hundred and thirteen commandments altogether
and all of them are listed in the Old Testament and the Torah
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surreptitious57 wrote:There are six hundred and thirteen commandments altogether
and all of them are listed in the Old Testament and the Torah
Not in dispute. How many are listed on the two tablets given by God to Moses in the OT?

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Those are only the first ten not all of them though they
are obviously of greater significance than all the others
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Greatest I am wrote:Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers? All believers in God are following an entity that they only know by what other people have said about that God. Few, if any, know their God from apotheosis or first-hand information. That fact makes whoever that God is, an idol. It must be so, as what is believed is not a known or real entity. Believers have no real or personal knowledge or experience of their God. All a believer can have is faith in whichever God they are idolizing based on what others have said.
Not in the case of Bob the Baptist and the Church of Ouzo, and I quote from "The Variety of Religious Experience" by William James:
"There can be no doubt that as a matter of fact a religious life, exclusively pursued, does tend to make the person exceptional and eccentric. I speak not now of your ordinary religious believer, who follows the conventional observances of his country, whether it be Buddhist, Christian, or Mohammedan. His religion has been made for him by others, communicated to him by tradition, determined to fixed forms by imitation, and retained by habit. It would profit us little to study this second-hand religious life. We must make search rather for the original experiences which were the pattern-setters to all this mass of suggested feeling and imitated conduct. These experiences we can only find in individuals for whom religion exists not as a dull habit, but as an acute fever rather. But such individuals are “geniuses” in the religious line; and like many other geniuses who have brought forth fruits effective enough for commemoration in the pages of biography, such religious geniuses have often shown symptoms of nervous instability. Even more perhaps than other kinds of genius, religious leaders have been subject to abnormal psychical visitations. Invariably they have been creatures of exalted emotional sensibility. Often they have led a discordant inner life, and had melancholy during a part of their career. They have known no measure, been liable to obsessions and fixed ideas; and frequently they have fallen into trances, heard voices, seen visions, and presented all sorts of peculiarities which are ordinarily classed as pathological. Often, moreover, these pathological features in their career have helped to give them their religious authority and influence."
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bobevenson wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers? All believers in God are following an entity that they only know by what other people have said about that God. Few, if any, know their God from apotheosis or first-hand information. That fact makes whoever that God is, an idol. It must be so, as what is believed is not a known or real entity. Believers have no real or personal knowledge or experience of their God. All a believer can have is faith in whichever God they are idolizing based on what others have said.
Not in the case of Bob the Baptist and the Church of Ouzo, and I quote from "The Variety of Religious Experience" by William James:
"There can be no doubt that as a matter of fact a religious life, exclusively pursued, does tend to make the person exceptional and eccentric. I speak not now of your ordinary religious believer, who follows the conventional observances of his country, whether it be Buddhist, Christian, or Mohammedan. His religion has been made for him by others, communicated to him by tradition, determined to fixed forms by imitation, and retained by habit. It would profit us little to study this second-hand religious life. We must make search rather for the original experiences which were the pattern-setters to all this mass of suggested feeling and imitated conduct. These experiences we can only find in individuals for whom religion exists not as a dull habit, but as an acute fever rather. But such individuals are “geniuses” in the religious line; and like many other geniuses who have brought forth fruits effective enough for commemoration in the pages of biography, such religious geniuses have often shown symptoms of nervous instability. Even more perhaps than other kinds of genius, religious leaders have been subject to abnormal psychical visitations. Invariably they have been creatures of exalted emotional sensibility. Often they have led a discordant inner life, and had melancholy during a part of their career. They have known no measure, been liable to obsessions and fixed ideas; and frequently they have fallen into trances, heard voices, seen visions, and presented all sorts of peculiarities which are ordinarily classed as pathological. Often, moreover, these pathological features in their career have helped to give them their religious authority and influence."
You've also made this statement, "My name is Robert Merlin Evenson, and I know more about the book of Revelation than anyone who has walked the face of the earth, including the author. I can email you the 10 pages that form the Ouzo papers, including "The Ouzo Prophecy," for your spiritual edification."

Know more than even the author. You don't even know your ass from your elbow. Loves to spout his braggadocio. Both of Bob's logic and philosophy are lacking. And he lies and lies and lies - ignore his nonarguments.

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The book of Revelation was written in 96AD by John on the isle of Patmos, and it begins:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. -Revelation 1:1-2
John delivered the message to mankind, and Bob the Baptist interpreted it.
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bobevenson wrote:John delivered the message to mankind, and Bob the Baptist interpreted it.
Your interpretations have resulted in NOTHING of value, and have demonstrated NO TRUTH for anyone. You are spinning in the delusion of your own self-importance and manic intoxicated ideas... like a noisy, angry bug hung up in a web.
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As it says in "The Ouzo Prophecy," "The evil that lurks in the minds of men is manifested in the collective evil of the beast. Understand the man and you cannot be deceived by his institutions." I'm sorry you don't understand this important truth.
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bobevenson wrote:As it says in "The Ouzo Prophecy," "The evil that lurks in the minds of men is manifested in the collective evil of the beast. Understand the man and you cannot be deceived by his institutions." I'm sorry you don't understand this important truth.
A perfect description of Bob Evenson.

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Philosophy Explorer wrote:
bobevenson wrote:As it says in "The Ouzo Prophecy," "The evil that lurks in the minds of men is manifested in the collective evil of the beast. Understand the man and you cannot be deceived by his institutions." I'm sorry you don't understand this important truth.
A perfect description of Bob Evenson.
Exactly. No one is deceived by Bob's madness except Bob, because he cannot see himself clearly. Seeing himself as a divine messenger, he blinds himself from recognizing how his own messages apply to him... and pretty much ONLY TO HIM. Duh.

As it is written: "Poking thyself in thine eye makes thee blind while all others continue to see. Duh."
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Lacewing wrote:
bobevenson wrote:As it says in "The Ouzo Prophecy," "The evil that lurks in the minds of men is manifested in the collective evil of the beast. Understand the man and you cannot be deceived by his institutions."I'm sorry you don't understand this important truth.
Seeing himself as a divine messenger...
No, John on the isle of Patmos was the messenger, and Bob the Baptist is the divinely inspired interpreter.
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bobevenson wrote:
Lacewing wrote:
bobevenson wrote:As it says in "The Ouzo Prophecy," "The evil that lurks in the minds of men is manifested in the collective evil of the beast. Understand the man and you cannot be deceived by his institutions."I'm sorry you don't understand this important truth.
Seeing himself as a divine messenger...
No, John on the isle of Patmos was the messenger, and Bob the Baptist is the divinely inspired interpreter.
Can Bob read Greek or Latin? Where did Bob get his higher education from?

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bobevenson wrote:
Lacewing wrote:Seeing himself as a divine messenger...
No, John on the isle of Patmos was the messenger, and Bob the Baptist is the divinely inspired interpreter.
I think you've presented yourself as both... but for this instance, here's the "correction" you seek...

No one is deceived by Bob's madness except Bob, because he cannot see himself clearly. Seeing himself as a divine interpreter, he blinds himself from recognizing how his own messages apply to him... and pretty much ONLY TO HIM. Duh.

As it is written: "Poking thyself in thine eye makes thee blind while all others continue to see. Duh."
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Why don't you tell that to the spokesman for the Spiritual Counterfeits Project, who was the subject of divine intervention when he wrote that letter to me.
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