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I hear that, and thanks for the wisdom. Regarding the how as you mention, and regarding the nature of things as you have, one need not say the word to speak the truth of it since evidence indicates the word God can flash-fog folks through no fault of the speaker. Realizing the nature of thought, rather than realizing any particular thought, frees awareness from the “dominant attractions of imagination,” as you say.

Walker wrote:- The tap changes everything and everyone has everything change at least once.

- When there’s more than one tap, the tapped one knows the first tap is God tapping. ...

But which one? As there appear to be lot's of 'God's'.

“When I was a child I understood as a child.”

When I became a man, I put away childish things.

Children appear to have no thought about 'God' or 'God's', that has to be given to them it seems.

Nick_A wrote:This of course is the essence of the division between blind belief and blind denial. ...

Not really, I was just pointing out that your claim that there is no method was untrue.

Blind believers have faith in the preachings of one of many secularized religious philosophies professing to reveal the will of our creator. ...

What on earth is a 'secularized religious philosophy'? You mean Religion? If so then it is ironic that you appear to deny that they may have been 'seekers' such as you who have found the answer.

Blind denial denies any sort of objective universal meaning choosing to believe the universe is purposeless and Man creates his own meaning.

Or they may have just read Kant and understand the fruitlessness of your endevour.

Have you considered that if there is an objective purpose to the Universe it may well have bugger all to do with you? That you are being hubristic.

What happens to any meaning in your life if there is an objective meaning? As apparently you will have no meaning of your own.

What happens if the objective meaning has nothing to do with you?

Those beginning to consciously awaken to reality know that both blind believers and blind deniers inhabit the darkness of Plato’s cave condemned to battle over meaningless conflicting opinions. So their question is how a person with the need for experiential truth can free themselves from the dominant attractions of imagination long enough to make progress towards reality human "being" is called to. Of course they will be condemned as Socrates describes in Plato’s cave analogy so one must be veeeerry careful in public if you want to protect your you know whats:

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Thanks to the powers that be, atheists here cannot jump through the computer screen or I would be in serious trouble. Blind deniers do not care for those who have begun to see in a new way. Their righteous indignation is often worse than that of the proverbial woman scorned.

You think to much of your thoughts as atheists are quite happy for you to believe whatever keeps you safe. Although interesting that you keep the blind believers misogynistic attitudes.

Arising_uk wrote: But which one?

The true one.

Which would be? Allah, Yahweh, Wotan, Zeus, 'God', Jupiter, Vishnu, Brahman, Anu, Ra, Osiris, et al and etc.

Arising_uk Oops! I mean Nick_A wrote:Thanks to the powers that be, atheists here cannot jump through the computer screen or I would be in serious trouble. Blind deniers do not care for those who have begun to see in a new way. Their righteous indignation is often worse than that of the proverbial woman scorned.

You are mythologising. The world is not divided into blind believers and blind deniers and if you had any appreciation of the history of ideas, you wouldn't be so presumptuous to suggest that yours is a new way of thinking.
You have invented a story and you are naive enough to believe it. If it is true, give us the facts.

Walker wrote:

uwot wrote:

Walker wrote:Everyone gets tapped.

What do you base that on?

It's in the part that you left out.

No it isn't.

Walker wrote:- The tap changes everything and everyone has everything change at least once.

- When there’s more than one tap, the tapped one knows the first tap is God tapping.

- No one can say for sure that the last tap is God tapping for everyone or anyone. Could be de debble.

- The tapped one knows who’s saying hi.

What does this tap feel like? What makes you think it is god?

Walker wrote:Could be de debble.

'De debble', you say? ''De debble' is in de details.

De--de, de-de...Dat's all, folks!

uwot wrote:No it isn't.

Yes it is.

Walker wrote:- The tap changes everything and everyone has everything change at least once.

- When there’s more than one tap, the tapped one knows the first tap is God tapping.

- No one can say for sure that the last tap is God tapping for everyone or anyone. Could be de debble.

- The tapped one knows who’s saying hi.

uwot wrote:What does this tap feel like? What makes you think it is god?

Those who feel the tap know the tapper is God, because everything changes. The tap feels like everything changes. Man doesn't have the power to change everything or else the climate would be simply wonderful everywhere. The proof is the tap, and that everything does change, just like the proof of your aliveness is that you’re alive. Before the first tap you chop wood and haul water, maybe tapdance. After the first tap you chop wood and haul water, maybe tapdance. The second tap literally takes the life right out of the body ... or that's the first tap if you only feel one.

Dalek Prime wrote:

Walker wrote:Could be de debble.

'De debble', you say? ''De debble' is in de details.

De--de, de-de...Dat's all, folks!

Actually is goes ... God is in the details.

Arising_uk wrote:Which would be? Allah, Yahweh, Wotan, Zeus, 'God', Jupiter, Vishnu, Brahman, Anu, Ra, Osiris, et al and etc.

The one made ineffable by the limitations of both incarnated capacity and ignorance which clouds ... truth.

Walker wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:Which would be? Allah, Yahweh, Wotan, Zeus, 'God', Jupiter, Vishnu, Brahman, Anu, Ra, Osiris, et al and etc.

The one made ineffable by the limitations of both incarnated capacity and ignorance which clouds ... truth.

Fluff and babble to disguise lack of logic and reason. An old trick.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Walker wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:Which would be? Allah, Yahweh, Wotan, Zeus, 'God', Jupiter, Vishnu, Brahman, Anu, Ra, Osiris, et al and etc.

The one made ineffable by the limitations of both incarnated capacity and ignorance which clouds ... truth.

Fluff and babble to disguise lack of logic and reason. An old trick.

Wow! now that is very good circular login, just like everything else from VT.
Sounds like feminist logic, you're a man, therefore your are a jerk, why? because you are a man.
You're an American, therefore you're a jerk, why? because you're an American.

No thought involved, no reasoning, just a stupid, hostile, knee jerk reaction. Stupidly Paint everyone in a particular category, with the same brush, that way you don't actually have to think about it. VT exhibits the typical haters reaction, she hates everyone, so she's an equal opportunity hater.

thedoc wrote: Wow! now that is very good circular login, just like everything else from VT.
Sounds like feminist logic, you're a man, therefore your are a jerk, why? because you are a man.
You're an American, therefore you're a jerk, why? because you're an American.
No thought involved, no reasoning, just a stupid, hostile, knee jerk reaction. Stupidly Paint everyone in a particular category, with the same brush, that way you don't actually have to think about it. VT exhibits the typical haters reaction, she hates everyone, so she's an equal opportunity hater.

And your's isn't 'hostile' at all, old man. I don't believe I addressed you. You seem to be having some kind of wet fantasy in your previous nonsensical drivel.

Walker wrote:The one made ineffable by the limitations of both incarnated capacity and ignorance which clouds ... truth.

They why don't you all shut up about it? Or are you saying 'its' not ineffable but we are? But if 'its' not ineffable then language can describe it and as such there appear to be a lot of 'them'. So which one are you plumping for? And please don't say the true one as you just said 'it' or us are ineffable.