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Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:14 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:Don't worry it turns out I'm definitely right. Worship is excessive exalting.
Well that's nice for you: being right.

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:57 pm
by Jaded Sage
I usually am. It's a shame everybody wanted to be dickheads. Maybe I was more willing to spell it out elsewhere. The OP just seemed so crystal clear to me. Anyway, cheers (get it?)!

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:56 pm
by Obvious Leo
Move along please, folks, nothing to see here.

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:50 am
by Greta
Greta wrote:Once you become accustomed to the fact that you have barely a clue what's going on in life and neither does anyone else...
Lacewing wrote:Ahhh YES! Very freeing!

When we give ourselves some slack... then we can give it to other people too. And possibly, it stops being less about who is right or best, and more about how we can enjoy and connect.
Pretty well, although I am still fussier than I need to be about wrong info. Old habits die hard.

Glad that JS turned out to be right, although I suspect the marker was a tad generous. Looks like a game - make prima facie controversial statements (that are just commonsense) without proper explanation and then complaining about the predictable replies.

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:06 am
by Jaded Sage
I think I either offended or confused a lot of you. I apologize. I think perhaps a better example would be shopping or video games.

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:17 am
by Greta
Cheers.

What about wealth?

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:29 am
by Jaded Sage
Wealth is an excellent example!

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:53 am
by uwot
Jaded Sage wrote:If idols are prayed to and worshiped, and alcohol is an idol, then we must reexamine what prayer and worship are, because nobody looks to them in a way that we would normally call prayer and worship. So what are they?
So what do we normally call prayer and worship, if not prayer and worship? By what criteria is alcohol an idol?

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:03 am
by Harbal
uwot wrote: So what do we normally call prayer and worship, if not prayer and worship? By what criteria is alcohol an idol?
I think your timing is a bit off, the alcohol boat sailed quite some time ago. It went on to sink without trace, by the way, so it's just as well you missed it.

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:31 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:Wealth is an excellent example!
Even the most rabid megalomaniac does not pray to wealth.

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:32 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Obvious Leo wrote:Move along please, folks, nothing to see here.
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Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:39 am
by uwot
Harbal wrote:I think your timing is a bit off, the alcohol boat sailed quite some time ago. It went on to sink without trace, by the way, so it's just as well you missed it.
You mean someone took it seriously?

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:00 am
by Harbal
uwot wrote: You mean someone took it seriously?
Not exactly. The only way anyone took it seriuosly was in as much as they may have offered a serious explanation as to why it didn't make any sense. The rest just sort of looked on with amusement.

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:10 am
by uwot
Harbal wrote:The only way anyone took it seriuosly was in as much as they may have offered a serious explanation as to why it didn't make any sense.
One would have thought they had learnt by now.

Re: Reexamination of prayer and worship

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:55 pm
by Jaded Sage
uwot wrote:
Jaded Sage wrote:If idols are prayed to and worshiped, and alcohol is an idol, then we must reexamine what prayer and worship are, because nobody looks to them in a way that we would normally call prayer and worship. So what are they?
So what do we normally call prayer and worship, if not prayer and worship? By what criteria is alcohol an idol?
St. Paul called it one in his epistles.