WHAT does it help us ?

[Obvious Leo]

One short logical sentence , please !

After you! You have been asked many times to explain what it is that makes you believe that the universe is a created entity. Every major philosophical school throughout history is unanimous in the view that the universe has always existed and the reason why they've done this is because to assume the alternative is to assume the existence of something which lies beyond the reach of scientific or philosophical enquiry. In other words the alternative proposition requires an unverifiable leap of faith and philosophers are in the logic business, not in the faith business. The convention in philosophy is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Kindly present this proof.

[manden]

Simple answer : all what exists , must have been created (the way we don't know or only a little bit) . That is exact simple logic .

[Obvious Leo]

Simple answer : all what exists , must have been created (the way we don't know or only a little bit) . That is exact simple logic .

No it isn't. It isn't a logical statement at all and any philosophy undergraduate would be able to tell you why it isn't. Your argument is circular because you state as a premise that which you seek to derive as a conclusion.

[manden]

The answer is also simple : you are not able to grasp it . You are not able to use exact simple logic , because are not qualified for (by the TRUE God) . And if you believe or not - I know it !

[Obvious Leo]

This is a philosophy forum, not a fucking pulpit. What the hell are you doing here?

[manden]

Truth is the best philosophy ! Don't you know that ? ? ?

[Arising_uk]

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Caring for fellow creatures , reponisible for fellow creatures and nature , and sharing with fellow creatures as far as it is possible for me .

And all very admirable I applaud you.

A few questions then.

So are you a vegetarian? A vegan?

Work with nature in some way?

Where is the line you draw to sharing?

[manden]

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Caring for fellow creatures , reponisible for fellow creatures and nature , and sharing with fellow creatures as far as it is possible for me .

And all very admirable I applaud you.

A few questions then.

So are you a vegetarian? A vegan?

Work with nature in some way?

Where is the line you draw to sharing?

We are learning to do that . And we can only learn it more than a little when we can recognize the existence of the real creator of the universe .
And I do my best . I can learn . I am mostly vegetarian with a little fish , I am pensioner , and I give about 10 % to the poor people of this world ,
and I have not much , I live very modest .