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Dalek Prime wrote:
Agreed. (Oh, don't look so surprised.)

Same goes for me.

Art is not everything. If there are no limits then the word 'art' has no meaning at all.
No one, not even you, thinks a screwed up piece of paper is art.

And it does not matter who does it. Some people might thing that if Andy Warhol takes a shit on a table, that makes it art: I do not.

For me that author is dead. An artwork has to be valued anonymously. It has to stand on its own merit.

For me the word Life is the same as the word Art. Life is everything yet retains meaning, and so can art. Everything in the universe can be art or be used to make art. A screwed up ball of paper can be art, of course. The Glaswegian conceptual artist martin creed has made it so. You have your idea of what art is and should be, but I think your parameters of what's possible (in art) are from another era which has been surpassed and has been rendered inadequate in dealing with the work that artists are making now. If we stuck with your definition of what is art and what it should be, art would be a conservative and stuffy place with cobwebs hanging off the brown paintings. Art has moved with the times and can lead the times, today art is confused. Yet art has become very popular too.

Deep
Rectangular plastic fish-tank filled 3/4 with water and placed on a white pedestal of the same size. Place in the tank a solitary goldfish.

Pluto wrote:Deep
Rectangular plastic fish-tank filled 3/4 with water and placed on a white pedestal of the same size. Place in the tank a solitary goldfish.

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The tank should be 2/3 full of water and contain 1.5 goldfish, thus maximising the impact of the piece.

Harbal wrote:

Pluto wrote:Deep
Rectangular plastic fish-tank filled 3/4 with water and placed on a white pedestal of the same size. Place in the tank a solitary goldfish.

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The tank should be 2/3 full of water and contain 1.5 goldfish, thus maximising the impact of the piece.

Do fish grow to the size of their tank?

Walker wrote: Do fish grow to the size of their tank?

This thread is about art, not biology (or whatever branch of science is concerned with fish growth).

Harbal wrote:

Walker wrote: Do fish grow to the size of their tank?

This thread is about art, not biology (or whatever branch of science is concerned with fish growth).

Oops. We'll have to get that looked at.

Pluto wrote:A screwed up ball of paper can be art.

Only in the same way as casually whistling fragments of a pop song could be considered to be music. It wouldn't be worthy of performing, just as the art that you have been describing wouldn't be worthy of exhibiting.

Pluto wrote:

Art is not everything. If there are no limits then the word 'art' has no meaning at all.
No one, not even you, thinks a screwed up piece of paper is art.

And it does not matter who does it. Some people might thing that if Andy Warhol takes a shit on a table, that makes it art: I do not.

For me that author is dead. An artwork has to be valued anonymously. It has to stand on its own merit.

For me the word Life is the same as the word Art..

Well how ridiculous can you get. I suppose that means you can try to fob off any old piece of shit and call it art.
Not much of a working definition is it?

Pluto wrote:Deep
Rectangular plastic fish-tank filled 3/4 with water and placed on a white pedestal of the same size. Place in the tank a solitary goldfish.

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~Wow Look - It's LIFE ITSELF

Harbal wrote:

Pluto wrote:Deep
Rectangular plastic fish-tank filled 3/4 with water and placed on a white pedestal of the same size. Place in the tank a solitary goldfish.

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The tank should be 2/3 full of water and contain 1.5 goldfish, thus maximising the impact of the piece.

Almost full, and piranha feasting on chum.

Dalek Prime wrote: Almost full, and piranha feasting on chum.

Rather one dimensional.

How about a large, pretty goldfish with a full-length, oversized zipper on her underside.

She’s smiling a shark smile, partially hidden by her painted lips. The tips of her pointy teeth are just visible. Big eyelashes. She is surrounded by a tribe (not school) of smallish, radical piranha. Among the bric-a-brac on the bottom of the bowl (sorry, tank) is a treasure chest and a miniature Cologne cathedral.

A bit behind the curve but workable.

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Either that or toothless piranha trying to nibble on her fins.

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Or make her into a plastic fish and build something around that.

Yeah, sounds odd. Just keep it simple. Fish tank, water, fish.

Pluto wrote:Yeah, sounds odd. Just keep it simple. Fish tank, water, fish.

- Hang a large plastic pink goldfish over a fish tank so that it’s a few inches from the water.

- Fill the tank with piranha. Keep them fed so they don’t eat each other.

- Exactly half full of water so both species are inside the space.

- Place a multilingual graphic on the tank … a goldfish in the mouth of a piranha. Both species wear blank expressions. Both are circled in red, a bisecting red line from 2 o’clock to 8 o’clock.

- For obligatory irony, mount a photo of the work on the tank, so that the photo of the photo is in the photo.

- Determine a hefty price tag to prove its worth.

Photograph a potato. Portrait lighting, 3:1 light ratio. Frame it. Sell it for 1.5 million euros.