What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?

[Walker]

I can think of one or two lovers of their god who seem to be the definition of vice-riddenness nowadays.

All the atheist can know of a god-lover’s love of god is the atheist’s love of no god.

[Ansiktsburk]

I can think of one or two lovers of their god who seem to be the definition of vice-riddenness nowadays.

All the atheist can know of a god-lover’s love of god is the atheist’s love of no god.

Atheist (or believer) is not necessarily a steady state.
Apart from that, you miss the point. No matter what the love of the god is, it does not follow that wholesomeness follows, as it seems now, it's rather the opposite.

I guess your point with the two bible verses is something like : to get the wholesomeness in eg studies, you need the inspiration from the love of God. I didn't seen that in my more-than-myself christian or muslim classmates back in the days when I studied.

They were as lazy as I, but they drank less booze.

[Jaded Sage]

No matter what the love of the god is, it does not follow that wholesomeness follows.

That is where you are mistaken. I don't know what the definition of God would have to be, but it seems that any god the love of which does not result in wholesomeness is not worthy of being considered God. Perhaps that is the necessary-sufficient condition.

[Jaded Sage]

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Sense the this is about philosophy, I figured Sherlock Holmes would be more fitting; but sense this is also about wholesomeness or righteousness, perhaps batman fits just as well.

[Hobbes' Choice]

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Sense the this is about philosophy, I figured Sherlock Holmes would be more fitting; but sense this is also about wholesomeness or righteousness, perhaps batman fits just as well.

Er no, I think this is all about American Psycho.

Still... quite appropriate for a thread that has descended into religious craziness.

[Jaded Sage]

I hope that someday larger minds come to this forum. It's getting tiresome dealing with the same old childish bullshit. But I'm not going anywhere.

We all know I'm right. We all know it's interesting.

[marjoram_blues]

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Sense the this is about philosophy, I figured Sherlock Holmes would be more fitting; but sense this is also about wholesomeness or righteousness, perhaps batman fits just as well.

Er no, I think this is all about American Psycho.

Still... quite appropriate for a thread that has descended into religious craziness.

Hmmmmm. Yes, the flavour of religious fervour was there right from the start.
The way she jumped all over Walker was like Wow
The way she has ignored any follow-up questions to her hyper-zeal. The way she conveniently cannot cite the source of her OP ( which book, section of Plato). Her laziness to refresh her, perhaps, faulty memory; to research it properly and answer the honest challenge posed. And lots more besides.
[ I know JS claims to be man, even a 'gentleman' but her voice sounds female to me. Either way, it matters not a jot. Philosophy is for all. ]

I have read enough about so-called 'Virtue' to realise that most theories emphasise moderation; neither too much or too little.
JS has an unfortunate tendency to claim some kind of moral superiority and higher degree of happiness as a result of 'super-devotion'.
Or v.v.

I'm not at all sure our crazy lives work like that. But others do...

[marjoram_blues]

I hope that someday larger minds come to this forum. It's getting tiresome dealing with the same old childish bullshit. But I'm not going anywhere.

We all know I'm right. We all know it's interesting.

Carry on, hunny bunny. It's fascinating...

[Jaded Sage]

I dunno, but it is how I say it is. And Plato called it. Also, the fact that I can't remember the book is irrelevant to the question. Happy and wholesome. Thanks to philosophy. That's just the way it is.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I hope that someday larger minds come to this forum. It's getting tiresome dealing with the same old childish bullshit. But I'm not going anywhere.

We all know I'm right. We all know it's interesting.

Carry on, hunny bunny. It's fascinating...

How amusing that the person with the smallest mind on the Forum thinks that there is a lack of "large minds" here.

[Jaded Sage]

I'm not going to debase myself to using a philosophy forum for name calling. In fact, I'm going to ignore you until you say something relevant. What Plato said and what I experienced about how philosophy results in wholesomeness is the topic. For fun, and kind of to illustrate, I refer everyone back to Sherlock and Batman.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I'm not going to debase myself to using a philosophy forum for name calling. In fact, I'm going to ignore you until you say something relevant. What Plato said and what I experienced about how philosophy results in wholesomeness are the topic. For fun, and kind of to illustrate, I refer everyone back to Sherlock and Batman.

No one is name calling. You implied that you mind is bigger than other people, and that the Forum was devoid of large minded people, and I disagreed with you, as I think you are very small minded.

I don't think Batman has any philosophy to offer. What you need to figure out is that Plato was working in the infancy of Philosophy and has been surpassed as many times as a tortoise in a Formula One race.
Try and read a simple guide to Philosophy - say B. Russell's History of Philosophy and you will see how little of it is about Plato. Plato provides a ground upon which we build by digging it all up.
Conan Doyle does have a little to say about deduction - but most of it is wrong sadly. He was a mystic, not very bright and did not know the distinction between induction and deduction - most of Holmes' findings were the result of induction, not deduction.

[marjoram_blues]

I'm not going to debase myself to using a philosophy forum for name calling. In fact, I'm going to ignore you until you say something relevant. What Plato said and what I experienced about how philosophy results in wholesomeness is the topic. For fun, and kind of to illustrate, I refer everyone back to Sherlock and Batman.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I'm not going to debase myself to using a philosophy forum for name calling. In fact, I'm going to ignore you until you say something relevant. What Plato said and what I experienced about how philosophy results in wholesomeness is the topic. For fun, and kind of to illustrate, I refer everyone back to Sherlock and Batman.

She's been promising to ignore me for months. I wish she would!!

[Jaded Sage]

I can think of one or two lovers of their god who seem to be the definition of vice-riddenness nowadays.

All the atheist can know of a god-lover’s love of god is the atheist’s love of no god.

Nah, I don't think so. Let's use your definition. Philosophy is God. Many atheists love philosophy, therefore many atheists love God as much as theists do.