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Re: Do you need consciousness to have emotion?
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:50 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
alpha wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:Cetaceans are total masters of their environment. They have need or concept of inventions.
As for dogs, they have evolved to use humans to guarantee their survival.
Why do you think inventions have anything special to offer this thread about consciousness and emotion?
necessity is the mother of invention; and since dogs, whales, etc., can't comprehend the meaning of 'necessity', they don't (and can't) invent anything. i'm trying to establish a proportional relationship between intelligence, emotion, and consciousness.
In other words you have no answer.
What have you invented?
Re: Do you need consciousness to have emotion?
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:53 pm
by alpha
Hobbes' Choice wrote:alpha wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:Cetaceans are total masters of their environment. They have need or concept of inventions.
As for dogs, they have evolved to use humans to guarantee their survival.
Why do you think inventions have anything special to offer this thread about consciousness and emotion?
necessity is the mother of invention; and since dogs, whales, etc., can't comprehend the meaning of 'necessity', they don't (and can't) invent anything. i'm trying to establish a proportional relationship between intelligence, emotion, and consciousness.
In other words you have no answer.
What have you invented?
nothing; but at least i'm educated, which is more than i can say for you, or your dog.
Re: Do you need consciousness to have emotion?
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:25 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Hobbes' Choice wrote:Cetaceans are total masters of their environment. They have need or concept of inventions.
As for dogs, they have evolved to use humans to guarantee their survival.
Why do you think inventions have anything special to offer this thread about consciousness and emotion?
In other words you have no answer.
What have you invented?
nothing; but at least i'm educated, which is more than i can say for you, or your dog.
If invention is a metric of consciousness, then you are unconscious.
I doubt you are as educated as me, and no more intelligent than my dog, you like my dog have both failed to answer my questions.
Re: Do you need consciousness to have emotion?
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:41 pm
by alpha
Hobbes' Choice wrote:If invention is a metric of consciousness, then you are unconscious.
I doubt you are as educated as me, and no more intelligent than my dog, you like my dog have both failed to answer my questions.
i think your dog knew it would be pointless to explain anything to you. i'm inclined to agree with your dog.
Re: Do you need consciousness to have emotion?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:14 am
by Hobbes' Choice
alpha wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:If invention is a metric of consciousness, then you are unconscious.
I doubt you are as educated as me, and no more intelligent than my dog, you like my dog have both failed to answer my questions.
i think your dog knew it would be pointless to explain anything to you. i'm inclined to agree with your dog.
That sums you up perfectly. A person that shares the level of consciousness of a dog. Pity you are incapable of sharing her emotional sensitivity too.
Re: Do you need consciousness to have emotion?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:54 pm
by alpha
Hobbes' Choice wrote:alpha wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:If invention is a metric of consciousness, then you are unconscious.
I doubt you are as educated as me, and no more intelligent than my dog, you like my dog have both failed to answer my questions.
i think your dog knew it would be pointless to explain anything to you. i'm inclined to agree with your dog.
That sums you up perfectly. A person that shares the level of consciousness of a dog. Pity you are incapable of sharing her emotional sensitivity too.
according to you, that's still possibly more consciousness than you have.
Re: Do you need consciousness to have emotion?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:32 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
alpha wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:alpha wrote:
i think your dog knew it would be pointless to explain anything to you. i'm inclined to agree with your dog.
That sums you up perfectly. A person that shares the level of consciousness of a dog. Pity you are incapable of sharing her emotional sensitivity too.
according to you, that's still possibly more consciousness than you have.
How do you work that out?
Re: Do you need consciousness to have emotion?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:37 pm
by alpha
Hobbes' Choice wrote:alpha wrote:according to you, that's still possibly more consciousness than you have.
How do you work that out?
you say that your dog exhibits more consciousness than some humans. what better human than you?
Re: Do you need consciousness to have emotion?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:45 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
alpha wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:alpha wrote:according to you, that's still possibly more consciousness than you have.
How do you work that out?
you say that your dog exhibits more consciousness than some humans. what better human than you?
I think you need to go and lie down, to get your thoughts together.
Re: Do you need consciousness to have emotion?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:51 pm
by alpha
Hobbes' Choice wrote:alpha wrote:according to you, that's still possibly more consciousness than you have.
How do you work that out?
alpha wrote:you say that your dog exhibits more consciousness than some humans. what better human than you?
Hobbes' Choice wrote:I think you need to go and lie down, to get your thoughts together.
i am lying down, and my thoughts are together enough.
Re: Do you need consciousness to have emotion?
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:51 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
alpha wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:alpha wrote:according to you, that's still possibly more consciousness than you have.
How do you work that out?
alpha wrote:you say that your dog exhibits more consciousness than some humans. what better human than you?
Hobbes' Choice wrote:I think you need to go and lie down, to get your thoughts together.
i am lying down, and my thoughts are together enough.
Wonderful.