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henry quirk wrote:Tell you what veg: if my means and method offend you, stop reading me.

Ha!

re. veg, - (quote Henry)

Is NASA falsifying evidence and part of the conspiracy/hoax?
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Featur ... /page2.php
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Is the American Meteorological Society part of the conspiracy/hoax?
“There is unequivocal evidence that Earth lower atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; sea level is rising; and snow cover, mountain glaciers, and Arctic sea ice are shrinking.”
FROM
http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2012climatechange.html
Are ALL the following liars and part of a conspiracy?
American Association for the Advancement of Science
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
United States National Research Council
Royal Society of New Zealand
The Royal Society ( of the United Kingdom)
European Science Foundation
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
African Academy of Sciences
InterAcademy Council
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
American Chemical Society[49]
American Institute of Physics[50]
American Physical Society[51]
Australian Institute of Physics[52]
European Physical Society[53]
American Geophysical Union
American Society of Agronomy
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of London
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
The Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
World Meteorological Organization
American Quaternary Association
International Union for Quaternary Research
American Astronomical Society[92]
American Statistical Association[93]
The Institution of Engineers Australia[94]
International Association for Great Lakes Research[95]
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand[96]
The World Federation of Engineering Organizations (WFEO)
the American Institute of Professional Geologists
Canadian Federation of Earth Sciences

Dissenting?
NONE!! !
All those organizations are falsifying data?
Here is Scientific American”s refutation of all the junk science coming from the AGW denier cult.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -nonsense/
http://www.skepticalscience.com/scienti ... rians.html
The argument "global warming stopped in 1998" still enjoys popularity. There is a simpler response to the argument that 1998 is the hottest year on record. It's not true. 1998 is not the hottest year on record. GISS and NOAA both find 2005 is the hottest year on record!
http://www.skepticalscience.com/1998-is ... ecord.html
and that site is from 2009, it has gotten hotter since then!! !
2010 beat 2005! And now,
http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2 ... 02cy800dth
http://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/g ... s-globally
http://na.unep.net/geas/getUNEPPageWith ... icle_id=53
The Oregon petition?
“Approved names on the list included fictional characters from the television show M*A*S*H,[20] the movie Star Wars,[19] Spice Girls group member Geri Halliwell, English naturalist Charles Darwin (d. 1882) and prank names such as "I. C. Ewe"
FROM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition
Climategate?
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Climate ... hacked.htm
Climategate was a hoax perpetrated by hackers that wanted to discredit AGW by any means possible. So they illegally broke into computers and then twisted what they found into a conspiracy. Actually, when the scientists said that they had found a neat trick it was similar to saying, " I found a neat trick to do this calculus problem quicker." There was nothing nefarious about it.
In short ALL of science agrees with AGW.
If you do not believe in AGW then you must believe that there is a conspiracy that involves the entire scientific community. Who is behind this conspiracy? Bigfoot, Elvis? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Boy_%28character%29

raw_thought wrote:Is NASA falsifying evidence and part of the conspiracy/hoax?
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalW.9

NO one is denying that the earth is in a cycle of warming.
It's only those obsessed with GW who think that the climate ought to stay the same.
That's not what the thread is about.

The question is, that if humans are mainly responsible, then why is it that much of the evidence has been falsified?

1. We should be getting cooler (ice age cycles) according to the milanovitch cycles.
2. No data was falsified.
In the scientific community there is agreement (EVERY scientific organization in the world and 97% of climate scientists) that humans have made us deviate from cooling.

our independent and conscientious scientists

This sounds wrong.

raw_thought wrote:1. We should be getting cooler (ice age cycles) according to the milanovitch cycles.
2. No data was falsified.
In the scientific community there is agreement (EVERY scientific organization in the world and 97% of climate scientists) that humans have made us deviate from cooling.

Yes, and most statistics are made up on the spot.

Not even the climate scientists know exactly what is going on. This is in the nature of the data. We only have a couple of generations of reliable high res data to go on. Combining historical proxy data does not show short term highs and lows; this is the fiasco of the "hockey stick" lie.

I agree that to say that all scientists are independent and conscientious is false.
But to claim that the entire scientific community is composed of liars is silly.

Pluto wrote:

our independent and conscientious scientists

This sounds wrong.

I think most are conscientious but none of them are independent, not a single one.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

raw_thought wrote:1. We should be getting cooler (ice age cycles) according to the milanovitch cycles.
2. No data was falsified.
In the scientific community there is agreement (EVERY scientific organization in the world and 97% of climate scientists) that humans have made us deviate from cooling.

Yes, and most statistics are made up on the spot.

Not even the climate scientists know exactly what is going on. This is in the nature of the data. We only have a couple of generations of reliable high res data to go on. Combining historical proxy data does not show short term highs and lows; this is the fiasco of the "hockey stick" lie.

Click on the site I gave from Scientific American, you will see that the "hocky stick lie" necer happened except in the mind of some blogger.

raw_thought wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

raw_thought wrote:1. We should be getting cooler (ice age cycles) according to the milanovitch cycles.
2. No data was falsified.
In the scientific community there is agreement (EVERY scientific organization in the world and 97% of climate scientists) that humans have made us deviate from cooling.

Yes, and most statistics are made up on the spot.

Not even the climate scientists know exactly what is going on. This is in the nature of the data. We only have a couple of generations of reliable high res data to go on. Combining historical proxy data does not show short term highs and lows; this is the fiasco of the "hockey stick" lie.

Click on the site I gave from Scientific American, you will see that the "hocky stick lie" necer happened except in the mind of some blogger.

I don't take advice from a a comic book.
Fact is that you cannot compare archaeological proxy data from ice-cores, and tree rings, with data gathered with scientific instruments designed specifically to plot exact figures.

No, most statistics are not made up on the spot. Go to the NASA site,that data was from scientific instruments. They also have satellite photos. Of course you may claim that those photos were photoshopped by NASA because they are part of the global conspiracy along with EVERY scientific organization in the world. Cant you see that that is silly?

Scientific American is a comic book? I suppose all the scientific journals in the world are also comic books.
Then where do you get your data that AGW is false. Oh yeah, some guys blog.

rhetorical query: how many millions of "scientists" were convinced at one time that the world was flat?

-Imp

Impenitent wrote:rhetorical query: how many millions of "scientists" were convinced at one time that the world was flat?

-Imp

Rhetorical question, How many "Millions" of scientists were there, when it was believed that the world was flat? And what does this have to do with the current debate?

I believe it was the church that asserted that the world was flat and the Sun went around the Earth. The few Scientists that there were tried to tell them otherwise, and history tells us how that turned out.

thedoc wrote:I believe it was the church that asserted that the world was flat and the Sun went around the Earth. The few Scientists that there were tried to tell them otherwise, and history tells us how that turned out.

have faith in your global warming "scientists" and obey

-Imp