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Hobbes' Choice wrote:

henry quirk wrote:"The outcome does not establish the truth of the matter."

I don't recall sayin' it did.

'nuff said.

Except that you are wrong to suggest that a Congress man has legislative duties that extend to matter of foreign policy.

Now 'nuff said.

The question becomes does a congress man's stating the obvious, constitute undermining the negotiating authority of the President? Is it treason or free speech?

What if the President is making promises and establishing conditions that are contrary to the will of the people, as expressed through the elected representatives.

"you are wrong"

And I think you're wrong.

*shrug*

As I say: we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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"does a congress man's stating the obvious, constitute undermining the negotiating authority of the President?"

It may undermine his authority, but that's not the point (Congress is not obligated to agree with, support, or serve, the President).

The Legislative is the equal of the Executive...checks and balance.

Nor is this a 'free speech' issue.

The Senate (its members), as a function of its 'advise and consent' duties, is empowered to do as it did (as the dastardly 47 did).

That's my take, anyway...some disagree...nuthin' I can (or want to) do about that.

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The President through the Secretary of State were in the middle of negotiating what is known as a, sole executive agreement.


Sole executive agreements are made by the president alone.





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The US Constitution gives much of the foreign policy decision-making to the presidency, but the Senate has a role in ratifying treaties, and the Supreme Court interprets treaties when cases are presented to it.



Thus; TREASON.




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The 47 sent a public letter to Iran stating what is common knowledge.

This may undermine the President, but it ain't treason (unnecessary, mebbe; dumb, possibly; illegal, nope).

henry quirk wrote:The 47 sent a public letter to Iran stating what is common knowledge.

This may undermine the President, but it ain't treason (unnecessary, mebbe; dumb, possibly; illegal, nope).

No, but it is treasonous and a felony.

"it is treasonous and a felony"

Again: I disagree.

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Our current President, the honorable Barack Obama has been overly gracious and noble in all references to this matter.


I am sure the President is embarrassed and ashamed of the childish actions by these 47 individuals but he will not pursue criminal charges.


My opinion of the esteemed President Barack Obama has grown because of this matter and this is reflected in President Obama's growing approval numbers.




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Bill Wiltrack wrote:... and this is reflected in President Obama's growing approval numbers.[/size].

Does this matter over there anymore? I thought the way it worked was by the middle of the second term the president is just space filling.

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Well, if honorable President Barack Obama gives a nod to a presidential candidate for the upcoming 2016 elections that could go a long way for that candidate to become elected.


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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
Well, if honorable President Barack Obama gives a nod to a presidential candidate for the upcoming 2016 elections that could go a long way for that candidate to become elected.

I'd have thought he'd have to give the nod to whoever his party chose?

However....

However what?

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No. There are no protocols as far as endorsements for candidates are concerned.


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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.No. There are no protocols as far as endorsements for candidates are concerned.

So presidents endorse candidates? Bit of a poisoned chalice I reckon.

However....

However what?

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Outgoing Presidents CAN throw their support or supporters towards a certain candidate but it is NOT a certain.

That is what I was referring to when I stated, There are no protocols as far as endorsements for candidates are concerned.


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Wanted to thank ALL active members who participated in this particular thread.


OVER 500 VIEWS SO FAR and when I first posted this topic I didn't think we would have over 30 hits.


Well done! Over ten times the amount of hits & responses I could have ever dreamed of for this topic.



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Really Bill,
Who cares for such things? Oh! Yeah! Gnus!!