Health Policy of the American Energy Party (AEP)

[Blaggard]

People are not wearing enough hats...

"Let me take that second point there, when you say souls do not develop because people become distracted? what did you mean?

Has anyone noticed that building there before?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QJvc_SxFQ

"Which brings us once again to the very urgent realisation of just how much there is, still to own."

Hilarious stuff.

Bob soul is a difficult subject, and it's hard to discuss it in a rational manner as MP says this is rarely achieved and can not be done given actual reality in any philosophical frame work let alone a scientific one, see Greyhorns attempts at doing so for further details. The soul is purely a religious matter, there is no real way you can bring the soul into any empirical realm, you of course can talk about it in ontological and teleological terms, but even then it is a matter of faith. MP cleverly use the device of people are not wearing enough hats to insert a sort of dichotomy into philosophy, at face value it seems that it is absurd, but if you think about it closely pari pasu to hat sales it becomes quite a clever metaphor for where meaning in life is, and hence where the soul resides in the philosophical landscape. I think people place too much scope on certain discussions that are irrelevant to where philosophy is, and MP, make that point well as it regards meaning.

[bobevenson]

What does any of this have to do with the health policy of the American Energy Party (AEP)? Oh, by the way, you may wonder why I always show the abbreviation AEP? It reminds me of the AEP mascot, an APE, a baby gorilla often found sitting on the AEP logo, which is three circles within a circle, similar to the Mercedes-Benz logo, with the baby gorilla sitting on the top of the lower circle with his hands on the two upper circles.

[mickthinks]

You yourself drifted off topic, bob, way back here. If you want to return to it, that is as good a place as any to pick up from ...

If the government determines that a certain level of healthcare should be available to everyone [...] It needs to be a specific dollar amount ...

Who wants the same health care to be available to those who are healthy and those who are sick? I want sick people to be able to go to the medics and get better. Healthy people don't need to do that.

[bobevenson]

You yourself drifted off topic, bob, way back here. If you want to return to it, that is as good a place as any to pick up from ...

If the government determines that a certain level of healthcare should be available to everyone [...] It needs to be a specific dollar amount ...

Who wants the same health care to be available to those who are healthy and those who are sick? I want sick people to be able to go to the medics and get better. Healthy people don't need to do that.

Yes, I know what you mean, hire the government to mug me instead of doing it yourself.

[mickthinks]

Yes, I know what you mean, hire the government to mug me instead of doing it yourself.

But that isn't what I mean, bob. Is it really what you think I said?

[bobevenson]

Yes, I know what you mean, hire the government to mug me instead of doing it yourself.

But that isn't what I mean, bob. Is it really what you think I said?

Yes, you want the government to rob me to pay for somebody else's medical care, knowing that if you, yourself, did it, you would be sent to jail.

[mickthinks]

Yes, you want ...

No, bob! I didn't ask you what I want, nor even what you think I want. I asked you whether you really think "I want sick people to be able to go to the medics and get better" means "I want the government to rob you". I guess you can't even see the difference.

[bobevenson]

Yes, you want ...

No, bob! I didn't ask you what I want, nor even what you think I want. I asked you whether you really think "I want sick people to be able to go to the medics and get better" means "I want the government to rob you". I guess you can't even see the difference.

If somebody needs medical care and does not have the money to pay for it, you want other people to pay for it. You can either ask other people to pay or you can force other people to pay. You want to force other people to pay. Correct?

[mickthinks]

No, if somebody needs medical care I don't care if or how it is paid for, I just want them to have it.

[Arising_uk]

The strategy of the American Energy Party (AEP) is to take over a town, then the county, and then the state, using the Champagne Sherry Principle. Each step of the way, the AEP has an adversarial relationship with the next higher level of government. When the state is under full control of the AEP, either the Federal government changes its ways or the state demands secession, and that's when the fireworks start.

So you keep saying ad nauseam but since this would involve you actually leaving your house and getting involved with real people and politics I think we can safely assume this will all remain the fantasy that it is.

[bobevenson]

No, if somebody needs medical care I don't care if or how it is paid for, I just want them to have it.

Right, you don't care if some criminal hits me over the head and takes my wallet to pay for it.

[Arising_uk]

If the government determines that a certain level of healthcare should be available to everyone, there is only one proper way to accomplish it. The government must set up identical healthcare accounts for everybody, whether he be a billionaire or homeless. It needs to be a specific dollar amount invested in that person's name and funded annually by the government. People are able to charge health expenses of any kind to that account, including health insurance, doctor visits, presciptions and hospital care, all purchased by the individual in the free market.

Would you make it a transferable fund? As currently you're locking away a lot of funds for no good purpose as under a universal healthcare system the idea is that you take advantage of economies of scale and actual need not possible need.

Bit confused about why you have health insurance in your list as if you have this what point this fund?

[mickthinks]

Right, you don't care if some criminal hits me over the head and takes my wallet to pay for it.

But I do, bob. If there was no alternative to hitting you over the head in order for someone else to get the medical care they need, I would oppose it.

But there are alternatives. Many of them.

[bobevenson]

Would you make it a transferable fund? Bit confused about why you have health insurance in your list as if you have this what point this fund?

The fund is in an individual's name and can only be used for medical expenses. If the person dies, that fund would be added to any heir's fund. The fund covers medical expenses and/or medical insurance (it's up to the individual whether to have insurance or not, but the cost of insurance is payable from the fund).

[bobevenson]

All of this implies the government being totally out of medicine and healthcare, and having no control over doctors and medical facilities other than assuring that certain standards of performance are maintained.