A chat with a philosophical layman about Ethics

[Blaggard]

Yes, yes you are my odd insane doctorate of the model. Apologies if my rhetoric ignored your patent lunacy or whatever objection you have.

[henry quirk]

"collective lunacy"

HA!

No such animal...there's just a whole bunch of singular loons all movin' in the same direction.

[Blaggard]

I stand corrected.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Let's see, would I be willing to use atomics, but not be at ground 0 when they go off? Yep, I'd rather watch from a distance to see what effect it had on those I don't like. That way if I don't get everyone, I can send another one to finish the job. One thing I've learned a few years ago is that I should always finish what I start, even if that was not my intention, but was just accused of it.

BTW, suicide bombers are not brave or courageous or anything like that, just stupid.

Incorrect, as ones fears speaks volumes of their cowardice! But then, I've been well aware of that, as I'm sorry for all others, ignorance supreme!

[SpheresOfBalance]

while mine do!

What did you say again, I must have missed it.

The fearful cowards, (a logical imperative), always miss it, as they can't see life for wallowing in the self! Your choice, not mine! The deeds of small men, of small mind!

[SpheresOfBalance]

I am not willing to use atomics, or be at ground zero when they are not used, does that make me a genius.

I've got to say and kudos to all involved I have never seen a thread go so far from it's original topic so quickly and I think we should take a moment to acknowledge the collective lunacy of all people posting on this thread. Amen.

But it is on topic, as to ethics, one has to conquer their psychic apparatus, to quell their fear, before they can make any sense of it.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Doc,


Slurp, slurp, the benefactor; par for ignorance's course.

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Blaggard,

No, just -- perhaps -- compassionate.

SOB in red.

[SpheresOfBalance]

"collective lunacy"

HA!

No such animal...there's just a whole bunch of singular loons all movin' in the same direction.

As one lies to themselves, any understanding is possible, yet just as incorrect!

[SpheresOfBalance]

... Be true to yourself. ... Yet how does one be true?
By having some good principles; and living up to them !
What makes a principle a good one? Well, it’s richer in values than other principles and it fulfills its purpose. So you might ask: What’s the purpose of a principle? And I would respond: A good set of principles helps us live harmoniously with other people – both in our family and in society. It enables us to avoid quarrels even before they begin. It shows us how to get along with other members of our human species; how to have sweeter cooperation to solve our problems. ... to live a moral life we need to have some high principles and put them into practice....

A good moral principle would... put people first – over things and stuff. ... Good principles show us which way is “up.” They help usget our priorities straight.

... Once we have a good set of moral principles we know that all the systems and ideologies in the world aren't worth one material thing; and all the things in the world aren't worth one human life !

... ""Beyond survival, the goal is to thrive – to go beyond just staying alive and to increase quality of life. Since your brain is already wired to think in terms of creating value, you've already got what it takes. All you need are the keys to help you take full advantage of how your brain naturally works so you make better decisions and take more effective actions more often."

... I would add this: If we can master our mind, perhaps we can think, learn, and act in new and better ways. ... We know, in our hearts, that we can't truly maximize the quality of our own lives unless we maximize the quality of other people's lives as well. From this perspective, quality of life -- and life itself -- is not just about 'my own narrow self';... So let's figure out how to create more and better value! And let's put policies into effect that do that! What do you think?
Comments? ...

Prof, first and foremost, I'd like to say that I love your tenacity in truthfully trying to enlighten the ignorant, to the world of philosophical thought as it pertains to ethics. You are a man after my own heart. But... the current state of affairs is such that... your paper hasn't much of a chance to do much good. [due to] the fearful ignorant, as they know not what they do!

Once we can get rid of mans greed, humanity shall be ready for your paper. ...

Hi, Spheres

YWe would be better off if we took the concept "impossible" out of our language. It sounds like you are telling me that my push for ethics is impossible. Let's be careful not to throw cold water on someone's worthwhile project.
You do deserve credit for recognizing that the enlightened folks would see value in what I write. And you do say later:

Thanks for being you, the glimmer of hope that you are, as well as all that are like you!

so I thank you for those kind words, and your graciousness and perspicacity.

I shall go on educating those who are receptive, those who have open minds to new ideas, and who care deeply about the future of the human race. Those who are reflexive fault-finders or who are mentally rigid won't listen, or will feel threatened by novel ideas. I write for those who appreciate it, like you.

I know a guy who read my booklet BASIC ETHICS twice because he wanted to squeeze every drop of meaning out of it, he loves learning! He believes the project is important. He is a futurist, and thinks in an interdisciplinary way; he has a wide scope of interests. Another gentleman who works as a full-time self-improvement coach, commented, after reading it over carefully, "Good job!!" I wrote the paper for them. http://www.myqol.com/wadeharvey/PDFs/BASIC%20ETHICS.pdf

I don't mean to rain on your parade, obviously, but, I have more faith in you and your attempt, than those to whom you try to enlighten. Oh I'm sure others are out there, but I fear they are minority, and the disparity shall increase with population.

Of course, I hope I'm wrong!!

My challenge to everyone: On this account, Prove Me Wrong!

[thedoc]

Let's see, would I be willing to use atomics, but not be at ground 0 when they go off? Yep, I'd rather watch from a distance to see what effect it had on those I don't like. That way if I don't get everyone, I can send another one to finish the job. One thing I've learned a few years ago is that I should always finish what I start, even if that was not my intention, but was just accused of it.

BTW, suicide bombers are not brave or courageous or anything like that, just stupid.

Incorrect, as ones fears speaks volumes of their cowardice! But then, I've been well aware of that, as I'm sorry for all others, ignorance supreme!

I see, so for you it's cowardice to set off a bomb and not be at the center of the destruction. I'm sure there are many groups in the middle east who would really appreciate your joining their cause, even if only briefly. Some see running away from danger as cowardice, others see it as wisdom, to destroy the enemy and continue the struggle on to victory. What is the point of destroying the enemy if you die in the process, you gain nothing. Death is a very permanent ending to the process of living. But if you choose to die, then you should do so, and decrease the surplus population. My own choice is to live and allow the stupid to die. That way the average intelligence will be just a bit smarter and the human race won't be quite so stupid.

[thedoc]

My challenge to everyone: On this account, Prove Me Wrong!

Just a suggestion, SOB, why don't you prove your point, strap on some explosives, find someone you don't like and set it off. At best, you will take yourself out, at worst, someone else will be injured as well.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Let's see, would I be willing to use atomics, but not be at ground 0 when they go off? Yep, I'd rather watch from a distance to see what effect it had on those I don't like. That way if I don't get everyone, I can send another one to finish the job. One thing I've learned a few years ago is that I should always finish what I start, even if that was not my intention, but was just accused of it.

BTW, suicide bombers are not brave or courageous or anything like that, just stupid.

Incorrect, as ones fears speaks volumes of their cowardice! But then, I've been well aware of that, as I'm sorry for all others, ignorance supreme!

I see, so for you it's cowardice to set off a bomb and not be at the center of the destruction. I'm sure there are many groups in the middle east who would really appreciate your joining their cause, even if only briefly. Some see running away from danger as cowardice, others see it as wisdom, to destroy the enemy and continue the struggle on to victory. What is the point of destroying the enemy if you die in the process, you gain nothing. Death is a very permanent ending to the process of living. But if you choose to die, then you should do so, and decrease the surplus population. My own choice is to live and allow the stupid to die. That way the average intelligence will be just a bit smarter and the human race won't be quite so stupid.

The fact that it's cowardice is a logical imperative.

Flight From Death: The Quest for Immortality

[SpheresOfBalance]

My challenge to everyone: On this account, Prove Me Wrong!

Just a suggestion, SOB, why don't you prove your point, strap on some explosives, find someone you don't like and set it off. At best, you will take yourself out, at worst, someone else will be injured as well.

It would seem that toy trains is ones limit! Or so it would surely seem!

[thedoc]

The fact that it's cowardice is a logical imperative.

Again you fail to see the difference between cowardice and wisdom. There is nothing to be gained in an unnecessary death.

[thedoc]

It would seem that toy trains is ones limit! Or so it would surely seem!

Toy Trains can be quite fulfilling, or they can be a waste of time, for the latter visit 'Northlandz' in New Jersey.