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Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:26 pm**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Bull shit, my responses are far more reasonable than yours are, when you fail. Sometimes you do quite well, which is why I say nothing. I usually only engage one when they presume to know, as if it's possible that they could, usually only addressing ones wording so as to make them more correct. It's common for your type, to think that their 'book' learning, somehow makes them a flawless authority, on everything there is to life. Not true at all. As a matter of fact, focused learning often causes tunnel vision, with no vision of the periphery, the big picture, and that is what you suffer from most often. I believe your study of AI has caused your intelligence to be artificial.

See all those presumptions! Save your platitudes for someone who thinks they have merit given pretty much every one of your conversations here becomes vitriol upon your part.

Glad you finally spit it out.

Nah! Its that I had to spell it out for you.

It seems that with you it really doesn't matter.

It might have mattered to me if you had any authority in such matters.

Non sequitur, as relative perspective does not necessarily have bearing on the quality of the rationale. It could also be said that your 'armchair moralist' applies to you as well. And I can't see that you do understand the big picture. You obviously try and use a band-aid on a wound of the carotid. Easter island has obviously wasted a lesson on you.

Tell me what you think happened on Easter Island?

I do understand the big picture and that picture has no place for solutions that have no touch with the reality.

The term does not apply to me as I do no moralising about anything I don't act upon nor do I raise such issues from the comfort of my armchair.

Obviously not! It was not an emotive image, it was an image of fact, not doctored, but rather the truth of the matter. You spoke of meat usage, which is food, you brought up food, not I. My point was simple to understand, and is that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, other than the Rhino not being endangered, would it be acceptable. As a matter of fact, the current state of this problem, is another example of how the WHITE/foreign man, has corrupted the indigenous peoples, with his "better way, " NOT!

And there we have it! The westerner knows better than those who live there.

The image was emotive as matters of fact can be, that was the point of its being posted. I spoke about the fact that if the animal had also been fully utilized rather than simple butchery for the horn would people find it so offensive. I take your point that you think no endangered species should be killed at all but think it naive when applied in this case as the economic case will outweigh what can be done from altruism. My way the economic case gives incentive for the preservation of the rhino.

What a fool to think that, two on an escalator ride, of contention, while finally seeing eye to eye on one particular point, somehow negates the contention already experienced. There is no such thing as time travel. And it's you that agrees with me, as you presumed to know of my resolve, as you attacked me for it. You often accuse, long before having the right to. You seemingly battle with evil windmills that you project upon others.

Nope! It was you who called me a 'sick fuck' for suggesting we farm them, so its you who have changed your tune.

No you don't think. I've already made you aware of my poorness, I know you're far more wealthy than I am. You couldn't live like this, your standards are far too high. You're a classic example of those that can't see life for the self.

See all those presumptions! You know no such things. From what I understand of how you live, i.e. somewhere where you have internet connection, forests to walk-in, shops to buy stuff, room to grow stuff, you live a life of idyll compared to me.

Posted: **Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:37 pm**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Television (PBS), no link! No the business was a white man in a chopper killing them from the air with an assault rifle, while his ground crew lopped off the horns.

Lobby them to get the BBC's iPlayer system.

So just another poacher then. Black ground crew?

I don't really care how they solve the needless killing, they need funding however it's done.

There you go again! Not needless to those who wish to feed their families.

Your funding is apparently not enough so why not turn it into a commercial concern that can pay for itself?

It's not an emotive picture!!!! It's a moment of fact captured in time. That some may be emotional about it, is subjective, as clearly the poachers aren't affected.

How do you know that!? They may well have concerns that override such feelings.

Of course it was posted to be emotive as matters of fact can be.

How in the hell could you possibly know how my donations were spent? Oh I forgot you're a self proclaimed expert on everything, or at least when you feel like either antagonizing someone for no apparent reason or giving someone the impression that you're an idiot.

You're the one who mentioned the rhino silk tie. Are you now saying that your donations have done nothing towards saving the rhino?

Posted: **Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:00 am**

Arising_uk wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:Television (PBS), no link! No the business was a white man in a chopper killing them from the air with an assault rifle, while his ground crew lopped off the horns.
Lobby them to get the BBC's iPlayer system.

So just another poacher then. Black ground crew?
I don't really care how they solve the needless killing, they need funding however it's done.
There you go again! Not needless to those who wish to feed their families.

Your funding is apparently not enough so why not turn it into a commercial concern that can pay for itself?

It's not an emotive picture!!!! It's a moment of fact captured in time. That some may be emotional about it, is subjective, as clearly the poachers aren't affected.
How do you know that!? They may well have concerns that override such feelings.

Of course it was posted to be emotive as matters of fact can be.
How in the hell could you possibly know how my donations were spent? Oh I forgot you're a self proclaimed expert on everything, or at least when you feel like either antagonizing someone for no apparent reason or giving someone the impression that you're an idiot.
You're the one who mentioned the rhino silk tie. Are you now saying that your donations have done nothing towards saving the rhino?

Girl you are an imbecile, nothing contained in your response makes any sense at all. As usual, we come to the part where I see that either you're a complete and utter idiot, for real or, you just like to stir the pot with assertions, accusations, misunderstandings, lies, etc, just to piss me off, with no effort at all to be honest. And because of it you're one of the most obviously dishonest here at PNF, as no one with your credentials could be that dumb.

I did not buy the tie because I needed one, or was in the market for one, you idiot, at that time we had a little more money than today, I think it was like 1993, I just did it BECAUSE i knew that some of the money went to save the Rhinos and other endangered species. If I don't know the methods used by the WWF at that particular time, how in the fuck could you possibly know, MRS. know-it-all, FOOL! They could have stuck it up the Rhino's ass because the natives think it's taboo to see Abe Lincoln sticking out of an ass, goodness gracious you're stupid. Until you show me a document of the WWF's that explains what methodology they've used over the years you're just another half baked presuming idiot, that just spits out words to see where they splatter.

Get a life, LIAR!

Posted: **Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:24 am**

Arising_uk wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:Bull shit, my responses are far more reasonable than yours are, when you fail. Sometimes you do quite well, which is why I say nothing. I usually only engage one when they presume to know, as if it's possible that they could, usually only addressing ones wording so as to make them more correct. It's common for your type, to think that their 'book' learning, somehow makes them a flawless authority, on everything there is to life. Not true at all. As a matter of fact, focused learning often causes tunnel vision, with no vision of the periphery, the big picture, and that is what you suffer from most often. I believe your study of AI has caused your intelligence to be artificial.
See all those presumptions! Save your platitudes for someone who thinks they have merit given pretty much every one of your conversations here becomes vitriol upon your part.

Glad you finally spit it out.
Nah! Its that I had to spell it out for you.

It seems that with you it really doesn't matter.
It might have mattered to me if you had any authority in such matters.

Non sequitur, as relative perspective does not necessarily have bearing on the quality of the rationale. It could also be said that your 'armchair moralist' applies to you as well. And I can't see that you do understand the big picture. You obviously try and use a band-aid on a wound of the carotid. Easter island has obviously wasted a lesson on you.
Tell me what you think happened on Easter Island?

I do understand the big picture and that picture has no place for solutions that have no touch with the reality.

The term does not apply to me as I do no moralising about anything I don't act upon nor do I raise such issues from the comfort of my armchair.
Obviously not! It was not an emotive image, it was an image of fact, not doctored, but rather the truth of the matter. You spoke of meat usage, which is food, you brought up food, not I. My point was simple to understand, and is that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, other than the Rhino not being endangered, would it be acceptable. As a matter of fact, the current state of this problem, is another example of how the WHITE/foreign man, has corrupted the indigenous peoples, with his "better way, " NOT!
And there we have it! The westerner knows better than those who live there.

The image was emotive as matters of fact can be, that was the point of its being posted. I spoke about the fact that if the animal had also been fully utilized rather than simple butchery for the horn would people find it so offensive. I take your point that you think no endangered species should be killed at all but think it naive when applied in this case as the economic case will outweigh what can be done from altruism. My way the economic case gives incentive for the preservation of the rhino.

What a fool to think that, two on an escalator ride, of contention, while finally seeing eye to eye on one particular point, somehow negates the contention already experienced. There is no such thing as time travel. And it's you that agrees with me, as you presumed to know of my resolve, as you attacked me for it. You often accuse, long before having the right to. You seemingly battle with evil windmills that you project upon others.
Nope! It was you who called me a 'sick fuck' for suggesting we farm them, so its you who have changed your tune.
No you don't think. I've already made you aware of my poorness, I know you're far more wealthy than I am. You couldn't live like this, your standards are far too high. You're a classic example of those that can't see life for the self.
See all those presumptions! You know no such things. From what I understand of how you live, i.e. somewhere where you have internet connection, forests to walk-in, shops to buy stuff, room to grow stuff, you live a life of idyll compared to me.

A liar such as you deserves no intelligent response, as you stray from the original comments to cover your ass, with false assertions that contain nothing more than your venom concealed as possibilities, that you have no way of knowing whether they're viable, just to paint your opponent in a false light, so that you can make believe you've won something. How old are you really, mentally, what with this, and your mudslinging at the drop of a colorful rag on a pole, I'm thinking like 12 years old.

The UK killed a whole village of aborigines, because they were either to lazy to ensure their nuclear test site was clear of people or because they wanted to see it's affects on humans. But either way it wasn't your fault was it IDIOT. You didn't do it DIP SHIT, you would have stopped them huh FUCK WAD! You are such a half wit to assume any one person has any kind of real affect on the government of a super power. I'm the first one to put down America's, powers that be, because of their bull shit, you're such a child. Lying just for the sake of an argument, I get so tired of you! I hate liars. Start being honest without your false presumption, so as to fix a win, and we'll talk again one day, at this point, you're worthless.

Posted: **Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:42 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Girl you are an imbecile, nothing contained in your response makes any sense at all. As usual, we come to the part where I see that either you're a complete and utter idiot, for real or, you just like to stir the pot with assertions, accusations, misunderstandings, lies, etc, just to piss me off, with no effort at all to be honest. And because of it you're one of the most obviously dishonest here at PNF, as no one with your credentials could be that dumb. ...

Sexist as well, who'd have thunk.

That what I say makes no sense to you is explained by you being a megalomaniacal loon. Good job the chances of you doing anything about what you prattle about is zero.

I did not buy the tie because I needed one, or was in the market for one, you idiot, at that time we had a little more money than today, I think it was like 1993, I just did it BECAUSE i knew that some of the money went to save the Rhinos and other endangered species. If I don't know the methods used by the WWF at that particular time, how in the fuck could you possibly know, MRS. know-it-all, FOOL! They could have stuck it up the Rhino's ass because the natives think it's taboo to see Abe Lincoln sticking out of an ass, goodness gracious you're stupid. Until you show me a document of the WWF's that explains what methodology they've used over the years you're just another half baked presuming idiot, that just spits out words to see where they splatter.

I never said you needed it you loon. I also said "great" that for once you actually did something about what you spout but apparently your concern went only as far as the one tie.

Get a life, LIAR!

About what you loon!? I have a life and it involves working hard at a thankless, ill-paid job but at least I'm working as many over here aren't at my age. That you once again use your favorite get-out shows the depths of your self-deceit. So learn to relax you loon, you won't be saving fuck all so stop moralising about stuff you do fuck all about.

Posted: **Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:07 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:A liar such as you deserves no intelligent response, as you stray from the original comments to cover your ass, with false assertions that contain nothing more than your venom concealed as possibilities, that you have no way of knowing whether they're viable, just to paint your opponent in a false light, so that you can make believe you've won something. How old are you really, mentally, what with this, and your mudslinging at the drop of a colorful rag on a pole, I'm thinking like 12 years old.

Your usual get-outs from answering questions or following through a conversation.

You call me a girl and a twelve year-old and accuse me of being a child!

Its got fuck-all to do with 'winning' anything, its about having a chat with those who have differing philosophical opinions. You, like many who visit here, are, I think, too fragile in your opinions and as soon as you have to talk about or discuss them get over emotional and then resort to invective. Get a grip. Its simple loon, if you don't like how a person responds to your words or they have misunderstood them then just correct or ignore them. You have a serious issue with anger management and are obviously fairly mentally unstable. The thing is, I hate bullies and you, if you check, will find that any venom you find from me will be in response.

The UK killed a whole village of aborigines, because they were either to lazy to ensure their nuclear test site was clear of people or because they wanted to see it's affects on humans. But either way it wasn't your fault was it IDIOT. You didn't do it DIP SHIT, you would have stopped them huh FUCK WAD! You are such a half wit to assume any one person has any kind of real affect on the government of a super power. ...

I share no blame nor feel guilt about this because I wasn't old enough at the time pinhead. In my time I've lobbied and marched for CND, it failed, I lobbied and marched against South African apartheid, it succeeded, I've stood on picket lines, some wins, some losses, I've lobbied against the recent 'wars' that the Yank dragged us into and I still lobby here and there for certain causes. This means that I feel less guilty about my country's actions as at least I've tried to do what little is in my power but I don't absolve myself from culpability and pretend its the 'evil bad guys' who are responsible. That you think the way you do but accuse me of being the apathetic dismal one is laugh out loud funny as I know that ones little actions can change things but you have to get off your arse and actually do them with the optimism that others of like mind will be doing them as well.

I'm the first one to put down America's, powers that be, because of their bull shit, you're such a child. Lying just for the sake of an argument, I get so tired of you! I hate liars. Start being honest without your false presumption, so as to fix a win, and we'll talk again one day, at this point, you're worthless.

Please don't bother yourself, as you are a delusional megalomaniacal loon who tars anyone but yourself with your pointless moralistic woes.

Posted: **Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:14 am**

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OK guys...Time to kiss and make up.

It's Friday. Let it go.

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Both of you made some really good points. You each have your respected opinions. Those opinions differ. That's good.

C'mon...let's have a drink together. You both win.

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Posted: **Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:04 pm**

Arising_uk wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:Girl you are an imbecile, nothing contained in your response makes any sense at all. As usual, we come to the part where I see that either you're a complete and utter idiot, for real or, you just like to stir the pot with assertions, accusations, misunderstandings, lies, etc, just to piss me off, with no effort at all to be honest. And because of it you're one of the most obviously dishonest here at PNF, as no one with your credentials could be that dumb. ...
Sexist as well, who'd have thunk.

That what I say makes no sense to you is explained by you being a megalomaniacal loon. Good job the chances of you doing anything about what you prattle about is zero.
I did not buy the tie because I needed one, or was in the market for one, you idiot, at that time we had a little more money than today, I think it was like 1993, I just did it BECAUSE i knew that some of the money went to save the Rhinos and other endangered species. If I don't know the methods used by the WWF at that particular time, how in the fuck could you possibly know, MRS. know-it-all, FOOL! They could have stuck it up the Rhino's ass because the natives think it's taboo to see Abe Lincoln sticking out of an ass, goodness gracious you're stupid. Until you show me a document of the WWF's that explains what methodology they've used over the years you're just another half baked presuming idiot, that just spits out words to see where they splatter.
I never said you needed it you loon. I also said "great" that for once you actually did something about what you spout but apparently your concern went only as far as the one tie.
Get a life, LIAR!
About what you loon!? I have a life and it involves working hard at a thankless, ill-paid job but at least I'm working as many over here aren't at my age. That you once again use your favorite get-out shows the depths of your self-deceit. So learn to relax you loon, you won't be saving fuck all so stop moralising about stuff you do fuck all about.

As soon as you decide to stop lying, and apologize, we'll talk.

Posted: **Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:04 pm**

Arising_uk wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:A liar such as you deserves no intelligent response, as you stray from the original comments to cover your ass, with false assertions that contain nothing more than your venom concealed as possibilities, that you have no way of knowing whether they're viable, just to paint your opponent in a false light, so that you can make believe you've won something. How old are you really, mentally, what with this, and your mudslinging at the drop of a colorful rag on a pole, I'm thinking like 12 years old.
Your usual get-outs from answering questions or following through a conversation.

You call me a girl and a twelve year-old and accuse me of being a child!

Its got fuck-all to do with 'winning' anything, its about having a chat with those who have differing philosophical opinions. You, like many who visit here, are, I think, too fragile in your opinions and as soon as you have to talk about or discuss them get over emotional and then resort to invective. Get a grip. Its simple loon, if you don't like how a person responds to your words or they have misunderstood them then just correct or ignore them. You have a serious issue with anger management and are obviously fairly mentally unstable. The thing is, I hate bullies and you, if you check, will find that any venom you find from me will be in response.
The UK killed a whole village of aborigines, because they were either to lazy to ensure their nuclear test site was clear of people or because they wanted to see it's affects on humans. But either way it wasn't your fault was it IDIOT. You didn't do it DIP SHIT, you would have stopped them huh FUCK WAD! You are such a half wit to assume any one person has any kind of real affect on the government of a super power. ...
I share no blame nor feel guilt about this because I wasn't old enough at the time dipshit. In my time I've lobbied and marched for CND, it failed, I lobbied and marched against South African apartheid, it succeeded, I've stood on picket lines, some wins, some losses, I've lobbied against the recent 'wars' that the Yank dragged us into and I still lobby here and there for certain causes. This means that I feel less guilty about my country's actions as at least I've tried to do what little is in my power but I don't absolve myself from culpability and pretend its the 'evil bad guys' who are responsible. That you think the way you do but accuse me of being the apathetic dismal one is laugh out loud funny as I know that ones little actions can change things but you have to get off your arse and actually do them with the optimism that others of like mind will be doing them as well.
I'm the first one to put down America's, powers that be, because of their bull shit, you're such a child. Lying just for the sake of an argument, I get so tired of you! I hate liars. Start being honest without your false presumption, so as to fix a win, and we'll talk again one day, at this point, you're worthless.
Please don't bother yourself, as you are a delusional megalomaniacal loon who tars anyone but yourself with your pointless moralistic woes.
As soon as you decide to stop lying, and apologize, we'll talk.

Posted: **Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:30 pm**

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I feel a bit responsible as to where this thread is going.

Both of you are passionate about your positions.

That I like. BOTH of you made this thread a success.

I think we are at a point where the word, lying has appeared.

As you can see a lie is — a deliberate untruth.

I don't think either one of you are intentionally stating a deliberate untruth.

Matter of fact, I respect BOTH of you as fellow philosophers and valuable active members here at the Philosophy Now Forums.

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I can't resolve this but I can tell you that retreating a bit and recognizing some common ground that you BOTH could agree upon would be noble.

Great conversation. Again, I thank BOTH of you for bringing up your respective positions.

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Posted: **Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:44 pm**

Bill Wiltrack wrote:.

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I feel a bit responsible as to where this thread is going.

Both of you are passionate about your positions.

That I like. BOTH of you made this thread a success.

I think we are at a point where the word, lying has appeared.

As you can see a lie is — a deliberate untruth.

I don't think either one of you are intentionally stating a deliberate untruth.

Matter of fact, I respect BOTH of you as fellow philosophers and valuable active members here at the Philosophy Now Forums.

..........................................................................

I can't resolve this but I can tell you that retreating a bit and recognizing some common ground that you BOTH could agree upon would be noble.

Great conversation. Again, I thank BOTH of you for bringing up your respective positions.

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Sorry Bill, but I see that Arising_UK has always been a liar. She has been one to complain of spelling, and grammar, which means that she believes that she excels in it. Then she creates sentences and paragraphs, that are incomplete, grammatically incorrect as to conveying a complete idea. That she later says was in her head, but I'm beginning to wonder, if she's not in fact adlibbing as she goes, so as to snag people, with her new version so as to win some imagined prize. Then when one, obviously, or so she says, gets the wrong impression, she holds them accountable. Then as to someone elses words, that has never complained about ones spelling or grammar, that understands that to convey ideas is all that's really matters, no matter how it's accomplished, she 'tells' them what they meant, even going so far as to say that ones meaning is in her understanding, and not in the others mind, whether faithfully conveyed or otherwise. Again she holds them accountable. She is never wrong, no matter what! What a selfish, egotistical lying way to proceed. I on the other hand, try my damnedest, to ensure I word things in such a way as to not mislead, sure sometimes I fail, but I don't blame the other, unless they are nasty, and start hitting me below the belt. She's also a sarcastic little bitch, and no I'm not putting a him down, by calling a him, a her, as I'VE ALWAYS TRULY BELIEVED THAT Arising_UK IS IN FACT A FEMALE. The only reason I say so once she starts getting nasty, is because I know that the fact that I know she is a female, pisses her off to no end, as she's gone to great lengths to ensure no one knows, that it's true. And if in fact she really is a he, then it only attests to his over abundance of femininity, as I see that it is conveyed quite readily, which is why I always believed Arising_UK is a she. Actually once, when I was quite new, it truly seemed that she was coming on to me, but I guess, now that I think about it, if it is a he, they could be gay, which is fine by me, as I have had gay friends, they do not threaten me.

Anyway I see that the way she proceeds here on the forum is dishonest, and I don't care for it. Everything I've said about myself here is 100% true, I absolutely hate liars. I'll tell someone it's none of their business, before I'll lie. Yes I HATE people that try and MISREPRESENT me, before they have a clue as to what I'm about. especially if it's with contempt that they do it, and that's been Arising since the beginning, with her little sarcastic emoticon usage. I have only ever used them to be inviting, she has only ever used them to be BITING. My biggest problem is that I can sense peoples nastiness, and I carry a grudge for some time, especially when I see them continually be nasty. That's my biggest problem, that I see that everything matters, no matter how some brush it off, as being insignificant, so as to save their face. Yes I hold them accountable, unless they have the fortitude to admit they made a mistake, to be humble, and those that aren't humble, are worthless, as no human on the face of this entire planet is perfect, without fault, no not even Arising_UK, though she tells a much different story, I think she actually believes she's perfect, at least to hear her tell it.

Once she apologizes for purposely trying to misrepresent me, so as to hurt me, hit me below the belt, with her obvious lies, we can continue, until then she's worthless. And don't hand me that chivalry crap because shes a female, as to argument everyone no matter what sex, race, religious persuasion or otherwise must at least be honest as to their intent.

Posted: **Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:30 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:As soon as you decide to stop lying, and apologize, we'll talk.

For what!? You frickin loon.

Posted: **Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:35 am**

Bill Wiltrack wrote:...

I feel a bit responsible as to where this thread is going. ...

Save your delusions for yourself.

Posted: **Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:18 pm**

Arising_uk wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:As soon as you decide to stop lying, and apologize, we'll talk.
For what!? You frickin loon.

As soon as you decide to stop lying, and apologize for it, we'll talk like those that are civilized. Am I a loon, or are you just fearful of the truth, as you try and cover it up? As I sense that there is something very dishonest about you. Are you an alternate persona of someone else here? As that would explain why I've sensed you being female, as you dig within your experience's of others persona's, to come up with an alternate way to convey, complete with Inflection, that at least to me seems feminine. The problem we have with this avenue, is that you obviously will not want to have your cover blown in a public forum, understandable. If you care to there's always PM, none would be the wiser, and I'm not a back stabber of the truth, I hold it in far to high a regard.

Hypothetical: If I were Rick Lewis, for instance, and I wanted to participate in my own forum, seriously; I would create another persona for two very good reasons, that at least I see are justified, in the interest of truthful interaction between others, without reservation being injected:
1) So that I could be free to interact with no restrictions, so that I could distance myself from the responsibilities of running a respected magazine, speak my true mind, why take a risk of loosing the business, because some people may not understand the true nature of philosophy.
2) So that anyone I engaged would feel free to interact without restrictions, as I would want their argument to be truthful with respect to their beliefs, and not either tamed or inflamed, due to my position of authority.

I feel that these two reasons are important enough, to the truth of interaction but also see problems that could arise as a result of attempting to create this different persona, meant to ensure the freedom of thoughts, and thus tongues.

Now for all those that are reading, I'm not saying this is the case at all. It's just a Hypothetical, wherein I could see the type of problems, I'm currently seeing, i.e., mistaking inflections, via only text, that seem to indicate a female persona, as though many of us may have a bit of thespian running through our veins, I can see that eventually there could manifest some complications as a result of the act.

I have come here, initially, only to seek real philosophers, of like mindedness, of the truth. When someone attempts to characterize my words in an untrue light, that are defamatory, I take extreme insult, as it is easy enough to ask what it is that I mean, before assuming one knows, and holding me accountable for that false assumption. As I have had enough condescension aimed at me, for a lifetime, because in the past it came from one that was supposed to love me, and not compete with me, only due to their insecurities. Parents should indeed love their children, else they have no right to create a life, to use merely as a punching bag, as they battle their fears. One should instead hold their children close, in the face of adversity, if for no other reason, it would seem, at the very least, because they are an extension of you, and anything that hurts you hurts them, thus they are your strength, as you fight the adversity to save them, thus yourself, but unfortunately some see their children as the reason for their met adversity. These are not the children you want to be. My life, it would seem, was a result of pure unadulterated lust, created by the inability to control ones hormones, not that it's necessarily an easy task for some, apparently. They had not grown up themselves.

No I do not like someone to characterize me falsely. The funny thing is that due to the truth of my endurance, none have ever done so to my face. As the truth of my endurance is reflected in that face. Unfortunately the internet does not allow for it to be seen, as one sits in the comfort of their home, playing with a plastic toy, filled with fiberglass, and other such elements, designed to organize electrons, so as to convey remotely. No, the humanity is somehow lost in this remote exchange, and is ever increasing with each new life born as the ever increasing population of competition and turmoil yields an even emptier shell of a human, due largely to the speed of necessity, to deal with increasing competition for life to survive, as greater numbers surely creates. I wonder where the fire is, as with speed certainly comes friction, and I see that, as is, it can only increase, such that it would seem that fire is in fact out destiny, no revelation here, just par for the current course.

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Posted: **Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:40 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:As soon as you decide to stop lying, and apologize for it, we'll talk like those that are civilized. Am I a loon, or are you just fearful of the truth, as you try and cover it up? As I sense that there is something very dishonest about you. Are you an alternate persona of someone else here? As that would explain why I've sensed you being female, as you dig within your experience's of others persona's, to come up with an alternate way to convey, complete with Inflection, that at least to me seems feminine. The problem we have with this avenue, is that you obviously will not want to have your cover blown in a public forum, understandable. If you care to there's always PM, none would be the wiser, and I'm not a back stabber of the truth, I hold it in far to high a regard.

What are you babbling about?

The only thing you 'sense' is someone who responds to what you say from their understanding of what they read or hear. And this I think is the hinge of the issue as you appear to think that the meaning of ones words is what you think it is, its not. Whilst its true that one knows the meaning of ones thoughts, when it comes to telling others the game changes as meaning in language is not 'in' the words nor on one side as it takes two to make a meaning in communication or language, meaning is a triadic relationship in this sense as when one orders ones thoughts and then picks the words that one thinks best suits those thoughts it is not the case that its a straight transfer to another as when another hears those words they have to assign their thoughts and experiences to them and those can differ greatly from what the utterer intended, hence the saying "the meaning of ones words is the response they get". You on the other hand appear to believe that if one receives a response to ones words that does not fit what one intended then its the fault of the other or that they are lying, etc, etc, and due, I presume, to your personal experiences and psyche take extreme umbrage.

You also appear to look for scapegoats to pillar them with, so in my case you take your misogyny and try to explain my behaviour and words by placing me into a gender category that allows you to apparently think little of them. That you cannot understand a male who behaves differently than you is more a result of your personal and cultural box rather than any reality about males.

: If I were Rick Lewis, for instance, and I wanted to participate in my own forum, seriously; I would create another persona for two very good reasons, that at least I see are justified, in the interest of truthful interaction between others, without reservation being injected:
1) So that I could be free to interact with no restrictions, so that I could distance myself from the responsibilities of running a respected magazine, speak my true mind, why take a risk of loosing the business, because some people may not understand the true nature of philosophy.
2) So that anyone I engaged would feel free to interact without restrictions, as I would want their argument to be truthful with respect to their beliefs, and not either tamed or inflamed, due to my position of authority.

I feel that these two reasons are important enough, to the truth of interaction but also see problems that could arise as a result of attempting to create this different persona, meant to ensure the freedom of thoughts, and thus tongues.

Now for all those that are reading, I'm not saying this is the case at all. It's just a Hypothetical, wherein I could see the type of problems, I'm currently seeing, i.e., mistaking inflections, via only text, that seem to indicate a female persona, as though many of us may have a bit of thespian running through our veins, I can see that eventually there could manifest some complications as a result of the act.

My case in point.

I have come here, initially, only to seek real philosophers, of like mindedness, of the truth. When someone attempts to characterize my words in an untrue light, that are defamatory, I take extreme insult, as it is easy enough to ask what it is that I mean, before assuming one knows, and holding me accountable for that false assumption. As I have had enough condescension aimed at me, for a lifetime, because in the past it came from one that was supposed to love me, and not compete with me, only due to their insecurities. Parents should indeed love their children, else they have no right to create a life, to use merely as a punching bag, as they battle their fears. One should instead hold their children close, in the face of adversity, if for no other reason, it would seem, at the very least, because they are an extension of you, and anything that hurts you hurts them, thus they are your strength, as you fight the adversity to save them, thus yourself, but unfortunately some see their children as the reason for their met adversity. These are not the children you want to be. My life, it would seem, was a result of pure unadulterated lust, created by the inability to control ones hormones, not that it's necessarily an easy task for some, apparently. They had not grown up themselves.

Sad but I really don't care about your issues nor understand the relevance they have here? Especially since, compared to most fathers, I've spent and sacrificed(gladly) a large part of my life raising three kids so have no need for the advice of one whom, I guess, has not.

No I do not like someone to characterize me falsely. The funny thing is that due to the truth of my endurance, none have ever done so to my face. As the truth of my endurance is reflected in that face. Unfortunately the internet does not allow for it to be seen, as one sits in the comfort of their home, playing with a plastic toy, filled with fiberglass, and other such elements, designed to organize electrons, so as to convey remotely. No, the humanity is somehow lost in this remote exchange, and is ever increasing with each new life born as the ever increasing population of competition and turmoil yields an even emptier shell of a human, due largely to the speed of necessity, to deal with increasing competition for life to survive, as greater numbers surely creates. I wonder where the fire is, as with speed certainly comes friction, and I see that, as is, it can only increase, such that it would seem that fire is in fact out destiny, no revelation here, just par for the current course.

If I remember right what you appear to mean is that you are a big scary-eyed aggressively threatening male who uses his appearance in an attempt to cow others. As far as I can see the only humanity that is lost in these exchanges is that you have little feeling or understanding for anothers humanity and are quick to give offense but loathe to receive it. Now I guess you'll say this is not the case and I see from your other post you claim that it is I who instigate insult but I think you'd be pushed to find any post from me where when I am deliberately rude its not been in response. Does it not puzzle you that many of your posts here tend to go this way?

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