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SpheresOfBalance wrote:The real question is why not change now? Answer: Greedy capitalists that want to squeeze every last drop out of their oil infrastructure, tooling for new technologies leave business's in the red for years. That's how the standard and shell moguls shut down ford's ethanol back in the day. Damn those fucks. ...

So they just become??

Coal is the dirtiest fuel of them all, talk about air pollution, carbon footprint, and thus global warming, wow! Sure there's talk of clean coal, but where is it?

Talk about ethics: the ones that cause the problem, are the ones that are saved??

You forgot one, politics must be dropped as well, and as I've said in the past, governments should be ran by scholars (science) as they are the only ones equipped to actually know how to steer the ship of progress, or rather they're the only ones that could possibly do so with any degree of real success, in terms of global equilibrium.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:I think she's referring to not spending money that's required in making the dirty, clean, so as to maximize profits, if not, it is a problem.

So you're saying, "what the hell, we didn't start the fire that's raging out of control, so why not throw accelerant on it?"

So what, the flat white, the most reflective pigment of them all, is responsible for the majority of reflecting the suns rays back out into space, while water/land absorbs the energy, not to mention that ice/snow is cold.

Apathy? If a kids on heroin, do you say "so what he'll do it again anyway?"

So you either don't have any progeny, or don't care about them, and theirs? Nice!!!

reasonvemotion wrote:...

and what changes can we expect to eventuate by doing this?

Arising_uk wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:The real question is why not change now? Answer: Greedy capitalists that want to squeeze every last drop out of their oil infrastructure, tooling for new technologies leave business's in the red for years. That's how the standard and shell moguls shut down ford's ethanol back in the day. Damn those fucks. ...

That and that the customer doesn't want to pay.
No, they lowered there profit margin because their tooling was in place, and business was thriving, so that he couldn't compete as he was just then tooling. It would seem the shoe's on the wrong foot.

So they just become??

Become what?
You're the that said it, how should I necessarily know what you meant.

Coal is the dirtiest fuel of them all, talk about air pollution, carbon footprint, and thus global warming, wow! Sure there's talk of clean coal, but where is it?

Not "thus" global warming as it looks like its going to get hotter regardless.
Again, your apathy fuels the fire.


The clean coal is in the expensive scrubbers that the customer doesn't want to pay for.
Whose responsibility? Who's got the money? I think you are again placing the shoe on the wrong foot.

Talk about ethics: the ones that cause the problem, are the ones that are saved??

When I said "wealthy" I meant you and no-where did I say anyone is going to be saved.
I'd like to hear your definition. So as to speak, but I seriously doubt you have a crystal ball.

You forgot one, politics must be dropped as well, and as I've said in the past, governments should be ran by scholars (science) as they are the only ones equipped to actually know how to steer the ship of progress, or rather they're the only ones that could possibly do so with any degree of real success, in terms of global equilibrium.

Nope, as we have to live in the real world and that'll involve compromise and co-operation which means politics. Science is rife with its own internal politics and scientists are far from understanding how to do this.
Obviously, I meant as it currently is, my way of indicating the need for a radical mastectomy.

Arising_uk wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:I think she's referring to not spending money that's required in making the dirty, clean, so as to maximize profits, if not, it is a problem.

That and that the customer doesn't want to pay.
You're going to have to seriously consider marking those shoes, one with an L and the other with an R.

So you're saying, "what the hell, we didn't start the fire that's raging out of control, so why not throw accelerant on it?"

Nope, I'm saying its going to get hotter anyway, what solutions do you offer for this?
So since you obviously have no solution, you throw accelerant on the fire!

So what, the flat white, the most reflective pigment of them all, is responsible for the majority of reflecting the suns rays back out into space, while water/land absorbs the energy, not to mention that ice/snow is cold.

The pollution we produce is actually keeping the temperature down, if we remove them it'd be even hotter. What do you suggest?
No, you have it reversed. Pollution is trapping the heat, so as for it not, to escape it's confines.

Apathy? If a kids on heroin, do you say "so what he'll do it again anyway?"

This is not a suggestion, I asked for your suggestion.
Who do you think you're talking to? You said "Anyway," this is what I addressed, understand?

So you either don't have any progeny, or don't care about them, and theirs? Nice!!!

I have kids and as I've told them they'll be dead before they are drowned, a question they asked me as this is the message they got from the environmentalists. What I care about is what actual solutions the Cassandras offer rather than this continual 'woe is us!'.
You see Cassandras due to your apathetic lethargy. I for one have plenty of solutions, it's just, people are too selfish to even consider. They, like you, want to know what others can do for them, instead of getting off their rears, and confronting the issues, which, surprise, leads to solution.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:I think he's referring to milking the current energy infrastructure versus the cost of tooling for a new technology.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:No, that's what has created these things in the past in a world initially divided, we are now talking of a time where the fact that we are all one is seen through the eyes of our shared problems. I'm sorry to tell you this but the days of only concerning oneself with a decent enjoyable life are over, that is if you really want to live at all. We've reached the final crescendo, the final curtain call. It's not all fun and games anymore.]

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Greedy capitalists that want to squeeze every last drop out of their oil infrastructure...

bobevenson wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Greedy capitalists that want to squeeze every last drop out of their oil infrastructure...

Is this some kind of economics joke???

The Voice of Time wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:I think he's referring to milking the current energy infrastructure versus the cost of tooling for a new technology.

I still can't see how that constitutes a cost for society. Surely it'll take some time to switch, but the switching itself can be very smooth, we don't actually strictly speaking loose anything.
Do you know the story of Henry Fords ethanol? Standard Oil and Shells moguls saw that he was going to compete with their product, OIL, and so they conspired to put their competition aside so as to take out this new comer. I guess they saw that ethanol was renewable thus ultimately unbeatable. So they dropped their prices so Henry couldn't compete because he was in the beginning phase's of tooling and thus required the previous pricing. Well they succeeded to put him out of business, I wish someone had taken them both out, and I don't mean to dinner, as specifically, Rockefeller, (Standard Oil), had already Massacred innocent women and children, if only I had a time machine I'd fix our problem. The point being that this "we" you speak of is just you and that mouse in your pocket, as we're talking of the rich, the ones that actually control things, and they only understand their bottom line, money..

SpheresOfBalance wrote:No, that's what has created these things in the past in a world initially divided, we are now talking of a time where the fact that we are all one is seen through the eyes of our shared problems. I'm sorry to tell you this but the days of only concerning oneself with a decent enjoyable life are over, that is if you really want to live at all. We've reached the final crescendo, the final curtain call. It's not all fun and games anymore.]

I don't get it, how can you preach science when you come with such meaningless sentences as the last ones there? That's got nothing to do with reality, it's the view of somebody stuck in depressed thought.
Not at all, you're just unaware of the facts that lend to my words, It's not that they're hollow, you're just ignorant of their substance, and I don't feel like writing a book, on the fly, here at PNF. Like I said before, I can't type for shit, for various reasons.

Why are we so quick to condescendingly label people, because we simply don't understand them?

bobevenson wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Greedy capitalists that want to squeeze every last drop out of their oil infrastructure...

Is this some kind of economics joke???

The Voice of Time wrote:

bobevenson wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Greedy capitalists that want to squeeze every last drop out of their oil infrastructure...

Is this some kind of economics joke???

Gotta agree with bob. Many people in the world owe the quality of their lives to the oil infrastructure, and I'd be very surprised if there were any significant amount of people who suffered directly from it, and if anybody at all suffers from it then one should target the reasons for that and not a general concept.
Quality of their lives... That's a joke! It's this, "anything for a buck," mentality that shall be mankind's ruin.


But economically speaking there are truths to this as well if you think money instead of oil, because the Norwegian government had to go not too long ago and criticize oil companies offshore of Norway for not taking enough oil, that is, companies were after quick big bucks and therefore they would rather jump to a new big oil field than finish off fields they weren't done with but where the larger amount of oil was already exploited.

Money is not the bottom line, in actuality, truth is! And it shall knock one dead, in an instant, while they're assessing the worth of their glittering prize.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Do you know the story of Henry Fords ethanol? Standard Oil and Shells moguls saw that he was going to compete with their product, OIL, and so they conspired to put their competition aside so as to take out this new comer. I guess they saw that ethanol was renewable thus ultimately unbeatable. So they dropped their prices so Henry couldn't compete because he was in the beginning phase's of tooling and thus required the previous pricing. Well they succeeded to put him out of business, I wish someone had taken them both out, and I don't mean to dinner, as specifically, Rockefeller, (Standard Oil), had already Massacred innocent women and children, if only I had a time machine I'd fix our problem. The point being that this "we" you speak of is just you and that mouse in your pocket, as we're talking of the rich, the ones that actually control things, and they only understand their bottom line, money..

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Not at all, you're just unaware of the facts that lend to my words, It's not that they're hollow, you're just ignorant of their substance, and I don't feel like writing a book, on the fly, here at PNF. Like I said before, I can't type for shit, for various reasons.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Why are we so quick to condescendingly label people, because we simply don't understand them?

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Quality of their lives... That's a joke! It's this, "anything for a buck," mentality that shall be mankind's ruin.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Money is not the bottom line, in actuality, truth is! And it shall knock one dead, in an instant, while they're assessing the worth of their glittering prize.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:No, they lowered there profit margin because their tooling was in place, and business was thriving, so that he couldn't compete as he was just then tooling. It would seem the shoe's on the wrong foot.

Again, your apathy fuels the fire.

Whose responsibility? Who's got the money? I think you are again placing the shoe on the wrong foot.

I'd like to hear your definition. So as to speak, but I seriously doubt you have a crystal ball.

Obviously, I meant as it currently is, my way of indicating the need for a radical mastectomy.