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You make sense. You are compassionate and you have learned from real-life experiences.


What in the hell are you doing here?




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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.







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You make sense. You are compassionate and you have learned from real-life experiences.


What in the hell are you doing here?




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Me?
The planet is dying, I need to talk to great minds who can understand me, and who actually care. I am not sure that's here. But I'm going to hang out awhile and see. The species has been evolving, but the less evolved and informed rule, preserving themselves, but ultimately are creating a small sector of those who will survive the coming storm. The rest will die. Unless a solution is found. So while solutions are on the table, I'd like to get the conversation started.

our children are ransomed to citizens to fund the state programs of DCS, and many men and even a small handful of women comparatively, are held ransom for the life of their child, not paying support relative to a child's needs, but paying support relative to an income level for state profit. The most important thing you can give your children is your time. Of money, they only need enough to make that time meaningful. And with divorce being more common than not, it is becoming a norm. Here is what that system has done to too many families: http://www.fathersrights.org/statistics

Energy has solutions. Oil will not let them become realized. I can design a process to save the TVA five billion a year in emission costs, and produce clean electricity by re-outfitting coal plants with a new heating dynamic. But the entities that fund such programs are funded by oil and emission revenues, and so it does not fit their 'vision', which means it will not be funded. I'm still awaiting verification of the dismissal being a non-dynamic issue before I search for other ways to either fund the research (some questions still need answers only experimentation will resolve) or just send the abstract to all ends of the globe and hope another country would like the idea of clean electricity generation.

I cannot shut my eyes to these issues. I suffer from them. My children will suffer worse. Their children may not even have a chance.

If I make so much sense, then why do so few understand me? Is it because of the real world experiences? The dedication to knowledge and my Philo Sophia? Or are you talking to another?

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I really like the way you express yourself.


You have heart.
You have passion.


I feel close to your ideals.



All the best to you.





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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.



I really like the way you express yourself.


You have heart.
You have passion.


I feel close to your ideals.



All the best to you.





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Thanks <3 As long as I have breath I will spend it trying to build a world our children can grow up in, raise children in, and find joy in: it's mysteries and it's discoveries, that will hopefully enable the species to evolve into something greater, perhaps something timeless. or not. but either way, I will try.

"Cutting ties between the rich and the government is impossible when wealth dictates the leaders."

Agreed.

Equally impossible: capping wealth (for the reason you offer above).

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"The global science community agrees on global warming trends and dangers"

And, of course, scientists are immune to the temptations of money, fame, prestige, ideology, etc.

And, of course, scientists are never wrong.



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"Maybe I'm wasting my time here talking to you"

Probably.

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"Although there are some 'jacks' in life, In my area they usually represent a very small minority."

My experiences tell me different.

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"The planet is dying"

No, it's not. As a dynamic system, it changes, yes, but the Earth is not dying.

henry quirk wrote:"Cutting ties between the rich and the government is impossible when wealth dictates the leaders."

Agreed.

Equally impossible: capping wealth (for the reason you offer above).

not true. capping wealth would return capital to the government outside of surviving off of special interest. it would add power to government, something politicians love.

"The global science community agrees on global warming trends and dangers"

And, of course, scientists are immune to the temptations of money, fame, prestige, ideology, etc.

And, of course, scientists are never wrong.

your trying to discredit the work of the entire worlds best minds. you can only do that with cynicism. that is intellectual suicide. if you are not willing to even examine the evidence, you clearly have become a dead voice, worthy only of ignoring. I can only have pity on those who take you serious.

"Maybe I'm wasting my time here talking to you"

Probably.

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"Although there are some 'jacks' in life, In my area they usually represent a very small minority."

My experiences tell me different.

ok...

"The planet is dying"

No, it's not. As a dynamic system, it changes, yes, but the Earth is not dying.

http://misscentsible.wordpress.com/2012 ... -is-dying/

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0812 ... o1_400.jpg

http://factsfromfiction.blogspot.com/20 ... image.html

the truth is out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ktYbVwr90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJhgGbRA6Hk

oh but I guess all the well educated are just looking at made up stuff huh?

"...capping wealth would return capital to the government..."

And take it out of the pockets of the used car salesmen, er, politicians (who already wield ENORMOUS power).

You'll never see a cap on wealth.

But, if hell should freeze over and such a thing did come to pass, expect the rich to 'go elsewhere' (or, defend what each perceives as his or hers).

The rich didn't/don't become rich by playing nice...the rich don't stay rich by playing nice.

You're naive.

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"...if you are not willing to even examine the evidence..."

This ain't my first pony ride...what you call 'evidence' is circumstantial, fragmentary, incomplete, and run though with bias.

But, please, chase the rainbow…it's clearly visible through the smog.

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"all the well educated"

HA!

Yep, you're right: the well educated never lie, never err...they're like angels who walk among men.

Tell you what: you, go ahead and place your faith in the pronouncements of the well educated, the would-be managers of economies, the idealistic (criminally insane).

Good luck to you.

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"you clearly have become a dead voice, worthy only of ignoring"

That's exactly my thought about you.

'nuff said.

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Bill you make me laugh
I agree; argument with a cynic is futile.

Is it possible for anyone to be a philosopher, and ignore the necessity of balance? is it wise to allow a society to destroy the very things that give it life?

Let me put it this way: philosophy is the love of wisdom at its core. Let’s examine a ship on the sea, and it has enough to sustain 2000 occupants for its journey. It is divided by class, and started out with 2000 people. Let’s say 800 people have two children, and the top class was initially sustained by having four times the amount of the lesser class, and there are 200 in the top class.

The options are: dump people in the sea, or the upper class lose their extra rations. Of course there is also the danger of more procreation. The ship is split by those who see the danger (mostly lower class) and those who ignore the danger (the upper class) which are philosophers? Those who want to determine a path to balance the ship, or those who wish to ignore it until the supplies are gone? (Ps. watch the two videos, they are not long)

Tesla wrote: Me?
The planet is dying, I need to talk to great minds who can understand me, and who actually care. I am not sure that's here. But I'm going to hang out awhile and see. The species has been evolving, but the less evolved and informed rule, preserving themselves, but ultimately are creating a small sector of those who will survive the coming storm. The rest will die. Unless a solution is found. So while solutions are on the table, I'd like to get the conversation started.

Nikola T

Well you don't mince words.
I respect that.

I'm afraid that many will die. Billions.
This is revealed through historic deduction and analysis and .stochastics.
Our own fault.. we breed like rabbits. And this happens.
My field is concepts/history and the military.

To cut to chase.
Humanity cannot sustain its idiocy.
It must evolve or perish.

I choose.. evolve. Reason. Allows me to choose.
[and lets not forget the stubborn SOB we all are]

Prill

Hjarloprillar wrote:

Tesla wrote: Me?
The planet is dying, I need to talk to great minds who can understand me, and who actually care. I am not sure that's here. But I'm going to hang out awhile and see. The species has been evolving, but the less evolved and informed rule, preserving themselves, but ultimately are creating a small sector of those who will survive the coming storm. The rest will die. Unless a solution is found. So while solutions are on the table, I'd like to get the conversation started.

Nikola T

Well you don't mince words.
I respect that.

I'm afraid that many will die. Billions.
This is revealed through historic deduction and analysis and .stochastics.
Our own fault.. we breed like rabbits. And this happens.
My field is concepts/history and the military.

To cut to chase.
Humanity cannot sustain its idiocy.
It must evolve or perish.

I choose.. evolve. Reason. Allows me to choose.
[and lets not forget the stubborn SOB we all are]

Prill

It is those like you who give me hope, the only thing now is us putting our heads together to figure out what evolving is. The ship scenario is accurate as an overview, discovering what is the best solution in that case can give us a solution to promote for further examination.

From the eyes of the rulers, they would rather dump hundreds into the sea, and from the lower class, they would rather share the rations. The problem is neither are a perfect fix. Only in agreement is the fix 'perfect'. I'm worried, because I'm in lower tier society. I need to raise my class so my child will have a chance. The timeline for the shit to hit the fan is very tentative, simply because it is when action is decided to be taken that it will hit the fan, unless no action is taken, in which case it may be awhile before the shit hits the fan, but when it does, it will be unavoidable and irreversible, starting as natural disasters, and ending with a majority of the planets life extinct.

Another thing that is bothering me is that there is little exposure from news and government. Which leads me to believe they have a plan; and it's not being shared. That gives insight to what will happen to the majority of people caught in the meltdown as government social programs fail. The population cap is nine billion. That’s expected to be reached in 2040. When the population caps it will probably overshoot the cap before reduction, and like any pond with too many fish, the result is a 'great dying'.

I'd rather worry about it now while choices can avoid the meltdown, rather than allow it to be, and the species embrace extinction or near extinction as our next step in evolution.

Tesla wrote:...
Energy has solutions. Oil will not let them become realized. I can design a process to save the TVA five billion a year in emission costs, and produce clean electricity by re-outfitting coal plants with a new heating dynamic. But the entities that fund such programs are funded by oil and emission revenues, and so it does not fit their 'vision', which means it will not be funded. I'm still awaiting verification of the dismissal being a non-dynamic issue before I search for other ways to either fund the research (some questions still need answers only experimentation will resolve) or just send the abstract to all ends of the globe and hope another country would like the idea of clean electricity generation. ...

Go to the coal companies if this idea works? The UK would be interested. How expensive would it be to implement? More than the five billion?

Arising_uk wrote:

Tesla wrote:...
Energy has solutions. Oil will not let them become realized. I can design a process to save the TVA five billion a year in emission costs, and produce clean electricity by re-outfitting coal plants with a new heating dynamic. But the entities that fund such programs are funded by oil and emission revenues, and so it does not fit their 'vision', which means it will not be funded. I'm still awaiting verification of the dismissal being a non-dynamic issue before I search for other ways to either fund the research (some questions still need answers only experimentation will resolve) or just send the abstract to all ends of the globe and hope another country would like the idea of clean electricity generation. ...

Go to the coal companies if this idea works? The UK would be interested. How expensive would it be to implement? More than the five billion?

no, much less. the first step is going to take some research by a team of engineers it will probably take about three months in the design phase. I don't have access to the information I need, but most of the information is available. the basic dynamic can be explained in less than one page, and the overall math for that I did in joules. it utilizes a fairly new technology that is being used for something else. I'm not really sure who to contact. I sent it to DARPA for an office action, and to the D.O.E. for funding and implementation. I am very busy, and very poor. I'm in my last month of my last semester for my chemical engineering AAS.

What connections do you have? I want the final response from the D.O.E. as to why they rejected the proposal for not 'matching their vision statement' before I send it out.

Foghorn. so you can pack 10 more million in to the withered husk of empire called UK.
The sun never set.
You once ruled the world... sad isn't it.