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Mark Question wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: The future is wholly determined by the present. But the future cannot be know fully and with certainty due to complexity.

So for me, an atheist, I am sure that cause and effect are reliable enough to predict events in the near future, but I don't have to worry about my fate as I cannot say, not can anyone else say what the future brings.

1.the future is wholly determined by the present? we have determined fate? present is determined by the past? determined by the big bang?

2. have you onthological "The future is wholly determined by the present", and epistemological "I am sure that cause and effect are reliable enough to predict events" sentences here?

Mark Question wrote:

Mark Question wrote:

rantal wrote:Why must there be a presumption?
Things that are identical have identical properties (leibniz law) ask yourself this, do mind and brain have identical properties?

all the best, rantal

do price and product have identical properties?

do mind and brain have same beeing and more coherent and scientific prediction models than dualistic free will?
or do you find onthological, metaphysical speculations more useful?

rantal wrote: Price and product are not the same thing and do not have identical properties, indeed the price is a property of the product

I am not sure what you are asking with your next sentence

all the best, rantal[/color]

chaz wyman wrote:

Mark Question wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: The future is wholly determined by the present. But the future cannot be know fully and with certainty due to complexity.

So for me, an atheist, I am sure that cause and effect are reliable enough to predict events in the near future, but I don't have to worry about my fate as I cannot say, not can anyone else say what the future brings.

1.the future is wholly determined by the present? we have determined fate? present is determined by the past? determined by the big bang?

2. have you onthological "The future is wholly determined by the present", and epistemological "I am sure that cause and effect are reliable enough to predict events" sentences here?

Are you agreeing or asking?

chaz wyman wrote: What do you mean; "do mind and brain have same beeing and more coherent and scientific prediction models than dualistic free will?"
Does not make sense.

Mark Question wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: What do you mean; "do mind and brain have same beeing and more coherent and scientific prediction models than dualistic free will?"
Does not make sense.

are mind and brain in same reality/beeing/world?
are mind and brain connected by same reality/beeing/world?
is coherent theory logically ordered or integrated, consistent?
do we need coherent and scientific prediction models?
can we predict and model free will?

Mark Question wrote:

rantal wrote: Price and product are not the same thing and do not have identical properties, indeed the price is a property of the product

I am not sure what you are asking with your next sentence

all the best, rantal[/color]

brain and mind have to be same thing, identical?
mind is more like a property of the brain?

Mark Question wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: What do you mean; "do mind and brain have same beeing and more coherent and scientific prediction models than dualistic free will?"
Does not make sense.

are mind and brain in same reality/beeing/world?
are mind and brain connected by same reality/beeing/world?
is coherent theory logically ordered or integrated, consistent?
do we need coherent and scientific prediction models?
can we predict and model free will?

rantal wrote: Why are you not writing in standard English construction? It makes you meaning obscure?

Of course you cannot reliably predict free will purely because it is free. However, we can get a rough guide to it and theories in the philosophy of mind have been developed to account for this

all the best, rantal [/color][/i]

Mark Question wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Are you agreeing or asking?

i am asking:
1. do we have fate, destiny?

2. is free will ontological or epistemological question?

Mark Question wrote:

rantal wrote: Why are you not writing in standard English construction? It makes you meaning obscure?

Of course you cannot reliably predict free will purely because it is free. However, we can get a rough guide to it and theories in the philosophy of mind have been developed to account for this

all the best, rantal [/color][/i]

same reason why i am not flying any airplane. it makes my feet on the ground.

Mark Question wrote:

Mark Question wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Are you agreeing or asking?

i am asking:
1. do we have fate, destiny?

2. is free will ontological or epistemological question?

1. is our future determined by the present( and past)?
2. is free will theoretical question?

chaz wyman wrote:

Mark Question wrote: 1. is our future determined by the present( and past)?
2. is free will theoretical question?

1. Yes.
2. Do you mean "Is free-will a theoretical question?". Free-will is not a question. What do you mean theoretical?

rantal wrote: Of course you cannot reliably predict free will purely because it is free. However, we can get a rough guide to it and theories in the philosophy of mind have been developed to account for this

Mark Question wrote:

rantal wrote: Of course you cannot reliably predict free will purely because it is free. However, we can get a rough guide to it and theories in the philosophy of mind have been developed to account for this

1. is "you cannot reliably predict free will purely because it is free" begging the question (Latin petitio principii, "assuming the initial point")?
2. what theory do you use to justify, rationalize the idea of free will?