How come he doesn't exist ?!

[Khalid]

but one thought is that the Christians should follow the New Testament not the Old so your quotes are not relevant.

If the old testament tells that Lot's daughters seduced him sexually and one of Jacob's sons fucked his mother , then the new one won't say anything better . And the word "New" means a new edition from the old edition that had been distorted and re-written .

I also think they don't worship Jesus but 'God', much as the Muslim claims to do.

I had a conversation with christians , they worship Jesus but they don't consider him God , they consider him God's son .

think it a blind thing and leads to much grief in the world because it brooks no competitors.

An atheist in Egypt can live his life safely in the middle of 70 millions muslims and he can make youtube videos telling others why he is an atheist , why he is not convinced of the Quran and express his thoughts freely but without insult or offence . And I think this is so fair enough and great .

Personally I understand why you theist believers have a faith as its a useful thing when faced with the reality of the world and can give much succour but it was given to you before you could reason

I don't want to change what we are talking and get into another point but there are many reasons and things in the Quran that give me certainty in Islam and makes me mentally confident in my faith .

For example, I've heard from Muslims that your 'prophet' was illiterate before he wrote the Koran and this shows that it is the word of 'God' but this nonsense is up there with the Christian idea of a 'virgin' birth.

Each prophet's experience has it's different conditions and details . Jesus was born of a virgin mother , that is his own experience and case . Mohammad was an illiterate man but he made a civilization , probably you disagree with the word "civilization" but it was an Islamic civilization that was born and extended from Mecca to far places . And when Gabriel angel first came to Mohammad in Hiraa grotto , he told him read , Mohammad answered I don't read , he embraced him strongly and left him then told him again read , he said I don't read , for third time Gabriel embraced Mohammad , left him and told him read , he said what shall I read ? , Gabriel replied " Recite in the name of your Lord who created - Created man from a clinging substance. Recite, and your Lord is the most Generous - Who taught by the pen -Taught man that which he knew not." . This situation proves that there are two character , each one has strong characteristics , one saying read , the other replying rapidly according to the fact that he's an illiterate man .

What would you say to a Buddhist who brooks no 'God'? We know what the Muslim Taliban think about them as they destroyed priceless Buddhist artefacts due to their faith in the Koran.

Stop bringing that mother fuckin fundamentalist extreme model that doesn't represent me nor 95% atleast of muslims .

[Khalid]

It's amazing how you change the conversation from a discussion about religion and God into Politics . Alright shall you answer me please.

Not a really useful defense Khalid as history is a fickle thing and if you go back far enough all is generally connected.

Who kindled the World war I , muslims ?

They had a hand in it as the Ottoman Empire was in decline and fighting for existence.

Was Ottoman emperor behind The assassination of the archduke Franz Ferdinand , the heir to the throne of Austria ? Who benefited the world war I ? Why Palestine was occupied after world war I ?
Anyway let's avoid getting into other points .

Who enslaved tens of millions of black Africans , Islam or muslims ?

Yup! Who do you think we brought them from. Slavery has a long history in Islam.

Tell me the African countries that were under Islamic rule from which you brought your niggers please ?

You don't have nukes because the treaties were set up to stop the proliferation of such things, not that I think that will stop certain countries getting them as its hypocrisy for some countries to have them and deny them to others but I can understand the attempt as the religious believer is not bound by reason and as such I think them more unstable in their actions.

Why should anyone be so sure that Israel will be fuckin stable in their actions with the hundreds of Nuke heads it had ? Why the west is not opposing Israel for not signing the treaty of Nuke prevention ? On the other side they are using all methods available and others not available to stop Iran from having one .
My answer : The international Zionism taking control of the west and the fuckin world .

You talk as tho' the Muslim world was one? Why do you do this as from what I see there is great division and enmity amongst the faithful.

Where is that great division in Muslim world ? you mean the division between the Sunah of major Arab countries and Shita of Iran and other spots . There are differences between each side but I don't see them killing each other anywhere , only in Iraq that has been conquered by the angelic American democracy is where they are bombing each others .

retty much the only thing that unites you is a persecution complex and a hatred of Israel

Because Israel is an imperialistic expansionist state that was constructed on lands that don't own nor deserve . And it's not a state based on nationalism , it's based on religion , that it gathered the Jews from all over the world . And they hate Arabs and Islam . And they have a long record of crimes against Arabs , human rights and children . And the whole scenario of Israel today was mentioned in the Quran , it was mentioned that they would come in the end of time , gathered in one nation , in one state , and they would be very powerful and wealthy on earth and they would prepare for taking control of the world , of one world Israeli government which is about to take place .
I don't care if these words don't make sense to you , add them to the list of Islamic nonsense.

[Khalid]

which is why I think the 'West' should stop interfering in the Middle East and let you alone as you'll soon devolve into internal strife. Not that I think this will happen as it is and always has been about Oil.

In other words no more interference will be useful for the U.S and it's boy friend Israel , so the U.S needs to kindling a Sunni-Shiita strife between the Saudi Arabian animals and their sunni crew on a side and Iran on the other one .
Big destruction , then everything is fine and Israel is one more step closer to full control on the middle east , Arab oil and one Israeli world government eventually.

[chaz wyman]

which is why I think the 'West' should stop interfering in the Middle East and let you alone as you'll soon devolve into internal strife. Not that I think this will happen as it is and always has been about Oil.

It never will. Israel is the 'West'.
It plays an enormously efficient role in taking all the focus away from the rest of the west, and continues to destabilise the Arab nations, by driving a wedge between those that are making money from the west and those that are controlled by ideologues, who see it as an interloper in the heart of Islam.

When you consider the huge influence held by people of Jewish origin in the US government, and financial establishment, there is nothing that will stop the support for Israel from the US.
If you look at who is in control of the National Bank, the World Bank, all the major financial institutions, the major US based multinationals; richest lobbyists and so on, you see where their sympathies lie.

[Khalid]

Ten extra-ordinary facts about man's body :



1- Speed of sneeze reaches 60 mile per hour .
2- Man's heart pumps 2000 Gallons of blood a day .
3- Man's body has amounts of carbon enough to fill 1000 pen .
4- There are 45 miles of nerves around man's body .
5- Man's body gives heat in 30 minutes enough to boil a gallon of water .
6- Man's nose can distinguish more than 50,000 kind of different odors and connect one with memories .
7- The acid man's stomach strong enough to melt zinc .
8- More than half of man's bones exist in the hands and legs .
9- Bones in man's body are stronger than concrete .
10- Man produces an amount of saliva during his life enough to fill two big pools .

[chaz wyman]

1- Speed of sneeze reaches 60 mile per hour .
2- Man's heart pumps 2000 Gallons of blood a day .
3- Man's body has amounts of carbon enough to fill 1000 pen .
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Due to human science the average lifespan in countries where medicine is available, has more then doubled in the last 100 years, despite that one of the tiniest animals on earth, the mosquito, is responsible for 655,000 deaths per year, most of them children. Nature is stronger than god
1. Most sneezing is caused by the common cold of flu, which in the past has caused widespread epidemics. In 1918 cost 12 million painful deaths. Nature wins.
2. Despite our science, nature wins out again and heart disease is still a major killer, and 100,000 deaths per day are heart related.

[thedoc]

Ten extra-ordinary facts about man's body :



1- Speed of sneeze reaches 60 mile per hour .
2- Man's heart pumps 2000 Gallons of blood a day .
3- Man's body has amounts of carbon enough to fill 1000 pen .
4- There are 45 miles of nerves around man's body .
5- Man's body gives heat in 30 minutes enough to boil a gallon of water .
6- Man's nose can distinguish more than 50,000 kind of different odors and connect one with memories .
7- The acid man's stomach strong enough to melt zinc .
8- More than half of man's bones exist in the hands and legs .
9- Bones in man's body are stronger than concrete .
10- Man produces an amount of saliva during his life enough to fill two big pools .

And man shares these qualities with other mammals, makeing man just like all the other mammals, and other living creatures on Earth, So What?

[Kayla]

khalid did you do your homework

for you homework you had to read about the argument from design remember

[chaz wyman]

Koran

109 verses ordering the murder of non believers.

Islam a religion of peace.

http://www.youdopia.com/2010/06/07/stfu ... -retarded/

[Arising_uk]

Pretty much the only thing that unites you is a persecution complex and a hatred of Israel

not even that

indonesia - the most populous muslim country - has unofficial diplomatic relations with israel and are very willing welcome israeli tourists

i have heard an indonesian say that israel cannot be all that bad if the arabs hate it

I stand corrected, I maybe should have said 'Middle Eastern Islam' or at a pinch Arabic Islam.

[Arising_uk]

Was Ottoman emperor behind The assassination of the archduke Franz Ferdinand , the heir to the throne of Austria ? Who benefited the world war I ? Why Palestine was occupied after world war I ?
Anyway let's avoid getting into other points .

Its to simplistic to say that if the assassination had not happened WWI would not have happened. When empires become unstable war happens.

Some benefited, most didn't.

Palestine was occupied after WWI because it was part of the Ottoman Empire and as usual to the victors go the spoils.

Tell me the African countries that were under Islamic rule from which you brought your niggers please ?

British black people over here really dislike the term "n i g g e r".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

Why should anyone be so sure that Israel will be fuckin stable in their actions with the hundreds of Nuke heads it had ? ...

Because so far they haven't used them nor threatened to use them.

Why the west is not opposing Israel for not signing the treaty of Nuke prevention ? ...

The same reason they don't oppose Pakistan or India I guess.

On the other side they are using all methods available and others not available to stop Iran from having one .

Iran has signed the NPT and currently claim that they are abiding by it and not building a weapons capability. You can pretty much tell if a nuclear power reactor has been built to produce fissionable materials. Are you saying they are trying to build them?

My answer : The international Zionism taking control of the west and the fuckin world .

Conspiracy nonsense but then you have faith so you'll pretty much believe anything. All thats happened is you've lived in a time where the most powerful nation upon the planet after WWII also became the home for the bulk of the Jewish culture due to someone trying to kill all of them in Europe. No deliberate conspiracy about it, well apart from the Nazis that is.

Where is that great division in Muslim world ? you mean the division between the Sunah of major Arab countries and Shita of Iran and other spots . There are differences between each side but I don't see them killing each other anywhere, only in Iraq that has been conquered by the angelic American democracy is where they are bombing each others .

I take your point but mine is that like the other theistic religions whilst you have an external enemy your factions will be relatively peaceful but once you lose them then in-fighting becomes the norm hence sectarian violence.

Because Israel is an imperialistic expansionist state that was constructed on lands that don't own nor deserve . And it's not a state based on nationalism , it's based on religion , that it gathered the Jews from all over the world .

Hold on! You regularly talk about us 'Muslims' as a whole and the states you admire are based upon religion?

How do you assign this "deserving" of lands? As the Jews were tossed out by the Romans from that area a long-time back and their book says they'd been there a long-time. Many believe that 'God' gave them rights to that land a long-time back?

And they hate Arabs and Islam . And they have a long record of crimes against Arabs , human rights and children .

Like what? When have the Jews persecuted the Arabs historically?

And the whole scenario of Israel today was mentioned in the Quran , it was mentioned that they would come in the end of time , gathered in one nation , in one state , and they would be very powerful and wealthy on earth and they would prepare for taking control of the world , of one world Israeli government which is about to take place .
I don't care if these words don't make sense to you , add them to the list of Islamic nonsense.

Nah! I add them to the general list of conspiracy nonsense. That you think it 'prophesied' in your book just goes to show how credulous the faithful are.

[Arising_uk]

If the old testament tells that Lot's daughters seduced him sexually and one of Jacob's sons fucked his mother , then the new one won't say anything better . ...

On the whole it doesn't even mention such stuff, hence The New Testament not the Old Testament.

And the word "New" means a new edition from the old edition that had been distorted and re-written .

not in this case, it means the teachings of Jesus Christ as told by the Apostles and knocked-up by the Church.

I had a conversation with christians , they worship Jesus but they don't consider him God , they consider him God's son .

Depends who and which Christians you've talked to. As most of the faithful leave Theology up to their religious leaders.

An atheist in Egypt can live his life safely in the middle of 70 millions muslims and he can make youtube videos telling others why he is an atheist , why he is not convinced of the Quran and express his thoughts freely but without insult or offence . And I think this is so fair enough and great .

I wish you only well in Egypt but think this kind of thing only exists in pluralistic secular states. Good luck.

I don't want to change what we are talking and get into another point but there are many reasons and things in the Quran that give me certainty in Islam and makes me mentally confident in my faith .

Not least because you were told about it before you could reason and everyone around you acts pretty much the same and censure can be subtle. But I'll take your word that you find confirmation in your book as that was the point of it I'd have thought.

Each prophet's experience has it's different conditions and details . Jesus was born of a virgin mother , that is his own experience and case . ...

Not quite, he was born of a 'God' impregnating a human female, very Greek. That you think a 'virgin birth' is possible just shows you'll believe anything.

Mohammad was an illiterate man but he made a civilization , probably you disagree with the word "civilization" but it was an Islamic civilization that was born and extended from Mecca to far places . And when Gabriel angel first came to Mohammad in Hiraa grotto , he told him read , Mohammad answered I don't read , he embraced him strongly and left him then told him again read , he said I don't read , for third time Gabriel embraced Mohammad , left him and told him read , he said what shall I read ? , Gabriel replied " Recite in the name of your Lord who created - Created man from a clinging substance. Recite, and your Lord is the most Generous - Who taught by the pen -Taught man that which he knew not." . This situation proves that there are two character , each one has strong characteristics , one saying read , the other replying rapidly according to the fact that he's an illiterate man .

Are you saying he did not write the Koran but dictated it? If not then I think you'll believe anything if you think an illiterate person can read and write. But it could be that there were quite a few years between 'angelic' visits so I guess he could have got an education in that time.

I know some of the history of the Moorish Caliphate. Osama fancied much the same idea.

Stop bringing that mother fuckin fundamentalist extreme model that doesn't represent me nor 95% atleast of muslims .

And yet you speak for 95% of them? Are you saying these people are not Muslims? Do not believe they live 'gods' rules.

[chaz wyman]

If the old testament tells that Lot's daughters seduced him sexually and one of Jacob's sons fucked his mother , then the new one won't say anything better . And the word "New" means a new edition from the old edition that had been distorted and re-written .

You really are quiet ignorant about this. Old means the Torah, as given by the Jews, New means the Gospels and the word that followed the birth of Jesus.

An atheist in Egypt can live his life safely in the middle of 70 millions muslims and he can make youtube videos telling others why he is an atheist , why he is not convinced of the Quran and express his thoughts freely but without insult or offence

That was the case under Mubarek, but now all non-Muslims live in fear in Egypt. If you ain't got that worked out yet, then you are in for a big surprise, as Islam strangles off the best aims of the revolution.
The new constitution is rapidly returning all the powers had by Mubarek to the new Islamic leadership.
If you don't do anything NOW, your country will be back in the dark ages before the next generation.
Business is leaving, tourism is looking elsewhere and personal freedoms are once again being taken away.
Enjoy your vote as it is not worth the paper it is printed on.

[Khalid]

Its to simplistic to say that if the assassination had not happened WWI would not have happened. When empires become unstable war happens.

Some benefited, most didn't.

Palestine was occupied after WWI because it was part of the Ottoman Empire and as usual to the victors go the spoils.

Absolutely mistaken if you think Palestine was the only gain for Zionist Jews from World War I and II . Actually the biggest and most important gain for zionists was the victory of American or Western capitalism and the stretch of it's domination , just take a rapid look around today to world's finance to touch what I mean . And why does the U.S support Israel with billions of dollars and supply it with most developed weapons until today? Why is it so easy for any sheep to see the American ultimate bias to Israel and it's security until today ? does still exist on planet any creature that doesn't touch the influence on American decision and policies ?

I take your point but mine is that like the other theistic religions whilst you have an external enemy your factions will be relatively peaceful but once you lose them then in-fighting becomes the norm hence sectarian violence.

I'm sorry but it's so wily and bad mentality you have , your hatred to religion , all religions I know , is pushing you to think that all muslims are animals and barbarians who want to always have an enemy which is not true . If just there was nothing named Israel on map and if there was no American or western history of interference in the middle east , everything would have been fine . See the developments made in Emirates , tourism in it , search co-operating projects between Arab countries with majority of zombie muslims with Europe and U.S . Search huge projects of solar energy in north African countries . Search tourism in Lebanon , Morocco , Algeria , Egypt and others . We are not barbarians !

How do you assign this "deserving" of lands? As the Jews were tossed out by the Romans from that area a long-time back and their book says they'd been there a long-time. Many believe that 'God' gave them rights to that land a long-time back?

Aren't you the atheist person who opposes religions and old books . How are you making such defense for Jews on basis of Torah and saying they had the right to take Palestine? You are a funny man .

Like what? When have the Jews persecuted the Arabs historically?

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Not quite, he was born of a 'God' impregnating a human female, very Greek. That you think a 'virgin birth' is possible just shows you'll believe anything.

I believe there is a creator who created me and the whole universe , then a virgin birth is very easy thing for God's ultimate power .

And yet you speak for 95% of them? Are you saying these people are not Muslims? Do not believe they live 'gods' rules.

Carrying a weapon fighting and terrorizing innocent people in the name of Islam , can never make anyone a muslim , and one in this case should never think he's doing anything for the sake or favor of God or that God will be satisfied with him . Murder is one of the most forbidden thing in Islam , there is even a "hadith" of Muhammad saying that a killer will be in nowhere but eternal hell . And in the Quran God says : " Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity. "

So taking a decision to carry a weapon and bomb a building is not Islam , a religion that says "smiling at your brother's face is an alms or charity " . And brother here refers to all people .

[Khalid]

Conspiracy nonsense but then you have faith so you'll pretty much believe anything.

Nah! I add them to the general list of conspiracy nonsense

Do you deny Protocols of Zion ? Have you taken a look at them ?