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Age wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:41 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:25 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:35 am

But this is NOT "wasting my time", at all. As I said this is NO issue at all, well for me anyway. Also, as for "putting my mental illness on display" is of NO issue at all, for me, as well.



Okay. But how do you know that this is all an experiment?

Sounds like you believe you are channeling the Universe or channeling some other unknown source here. Otherwise, how would you know that "it's all an experiment"?

Who do you propose is "running this experiment", in which 'you', yourself, are obviously just one of 'us', test subjects, here?



"Much better" for who?

Well if your life is already so bad that it's no issue for you, then again that's your problem.

Now, what supposed "problem"?

I have NO problem and NO issue here.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:25 pm I'm the one running the experiment.

LOL So, you set up this website, did you?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:25 pm It's not uncommon among psychotics and other kinds of mentally ill people to believe that they are channeling The One / God / The Universe. For example they can believe that The One / God / the Universe is using them for some purpose, for example for creation through imagination. That the One is making itself known through them and potentially other humans, and that they get access to The Truth this way.

Do they?

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Are you suggesting that NO human being has access to the actual Truth, through the actual Universe, which they are actually in, HERE NOW?

Of course "NO human being has access to the actual Truth, through the actual Universe, which they are actually in, HERE NOW".
Almost everyone knows this, why don't you?

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surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:48 pm

Age wrote:
I think that time does actually exist Just NOT in the way that you think time exists
I will only KNOW for sure AFTER you inform us of how you define the word time

The passing of an event [ an event is a point of existence ]

Why did you use here the phrase, "the passing of an event"?

I NEVER did. And, I used the word 'event' for a very specific reason. That reason is there is only One actual Event, just like there is only One actual Existence.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:48 pm The distance between events / A measurement of change

'A measurement of change', which human beings do, using tools like the watch and the clock, is just what the word 'time' is referring to, to me.

Also, and by the way, I specifically used the words 'perceived events' because there are NO actual different nor separated events. There is, again, only One Event occurring, HERE-NOW.

And, to me, there is a duration between, labeled, separated events, and, a distance between, labeled, separated things

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:10 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:41 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:25 pm
Well if your life is already so bad that it's no issue for you, then again that's your problem.

Now, what supposed "problem"?

I have NO problem and NO issue here.

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:25 pm I'm the one running the experiment.

LOL So, you set up this website, did you?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:25 pm It's not uncommon among psychotics and other kinds of mentally ill people to believe that they are channeling The One / God / The Universe. For example they can believe that The One / God / the Universe is using them for some purpose, for example for creation through imagination. That the One is making itself known through them and potentially other humans, and that they get access to The Truth this way.

Do they?

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You made three claims.

I asked you three very simple clarifying questions.

You have SHOWN, once again, that you, at the moment, do NOT have the capability to just answer nor just clarify three very simple questions.

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:10 pm

Are you suggesting that NO human being has access to the actual Truth, through the actual Universe, which they are actually in, HERE NOW?

Of course "NO human being has access to the actual Truth, through the actual Universe, which they are actually in, HERE NOW".
Almost everyone knows this, why don't you?

Is this the actual Truth?

If yes, then HOW did you gain 'access' to this Truth, and, WHERE did you get this Truth from, exactly?

But if no, then WHY express what is NOT actually True?

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:10 pm

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:32 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:22 pm
You have here even found your VERY OWN conclusion laughable.

Then why ask for clarification from others if you have already found your VERY OWN conclusion?

You seem to think you are the only one who has figured this out...it's just too funny isn't it?

You see, if you have already found your VERY OWN conclusion, why the heck would you ever need to ask a question?

Why would you need to ask a question if you have already found your very own conclusion?

Don't you understand that there are only questions and no answers?

Yes.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:32 pm But yeah, be your guest, by continuing to ask yourself questions, I mean it's a functional option for you, if at all you are ever in any doubt about what you have found to be your very own conclusions. You never know, you might just one day find the ultimate conclusion - that no more answers would ever be necessary ever again. You do realise that the concept QUESTION can only be KNOWN in relation to the concept ANSWER...otherwise the concept ''question'' would be totally baseless and meaningless. But you can't stop asking questions to yourself can you? and the reason is because there are no answers...it's the cosmic joke, and it's on you.

Are you aware that when you use the word 'because' this indicates that you are actually answering your own questions, which you are asking, and which you also claim have NO answers to either?

Also, are you aware of just how often you ask questions, already believing you already have and KNOW the answers to them?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:52 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:22 pm

When did i claim that "thinking informs 'time' does actually exist.

In the words that were being written.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:22 pmI just said, 'I think that 'time' does actually exist, which, literally, because of the word 'think' means I am NOT sure, and I only 'think' this.

In not sure of the thought that time exists, is a bit of a silly thing to say. Time obviously exists as a word with attached meaning.

The I that thinks is also a word, aka a concept known. So it's still not clear to whom these concepts are known.

This is EXTREMELY CLEAR AND OBVIOUS, to Me.

But again, 'you' would have to KNOW how to answer the question, 'Who am 'I'?', properly AND correctly, FIRST.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:52 pm So you may as well just carry on which this conversation with no one but yourself.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:22 pmThe reason I only 'think' this is because it is based on what i have observed, and obviously the way i observe, and/or interpret things may NOT be true, right, and correct at all.

Well that's obvious simply because the known concept ( i ) or even the known concept ( observer ) and ( perceiver ) are all arbitrary notions that come and go here..and cannot be located to be any thing that can be captured in realtime as living proof of their actual existence...

But they CAN, and, in fact, to do this is a VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY thing to do, that is; Once 'you' KNOW HOW.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:52 pm how would an invisible thought even show up except as a word with attached meaning.

LOL Once the irony being SHOWN here, is SEEN and KNOWN, this is EXTREMELY funny.

Also, the very reason WHY I keep suggesting to CLARIFY, with "another", so that what they are actually MEANING, in what they SAY, (obviously through WORDS) is FULLY understood, then just how funny those words actually ARE under the label "dontaskme" here, will also be FULLY noticed AND recognized.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:52 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:22 pmAlthough I wonder if you actually are SEEING this from the way I do, sometimes you actually do. From what you are saying here, in one sense, and from my perspective, this is thee actual Truth of things.

Well of course I can only experience and know anything from the perspective of the one that is myself right here now.

And when you are able to Truly LOOK AT, breakdown, and SEE what the word 'myself' is actually referring to, then you will recognize and SEE why saying and using words like 'myself' actually does NOT make ANY sense at all.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:52 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:22 pm No it does not. This implies whatever 'you' interpret as. BUT, this 'means' what I MEANT it to MEAN, which, by the way, can be completely different from what you see it as implying.

So there are differences, you've just said there are. Yes, you really did say that.

Yes I did.

There are differences in what 'you' and what 'i' see and say, AND, there are even difference in what 'you', 'i', and 'I' see and say.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:52 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:22 pmAlso, 'time', itself, does NOT exist in different ways. 'Time' ONLY exists in different way because different people see 'time' as different things.

Well this is just about as useful as a chocolate teapot as per usual from you.

Are you under some sort of illusion that what 'you' say is ALWAYS useful?

I suggest that what I said does NOT make sense to 'you', then just ask clarifying questions. But, do NOT forget, you have to be somewhat OPEN, somewhat still inquisitive, and have somewhat some interest. Otherwise you will NEVER ask clarifying questions.

Also, maybe you are saying that it makes PERFECT SENSE and was CLEARLY OBVIOUS, which if it was to you, then so be it, and just let me KNOW.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:52 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:22 pmYou may have made sentences and added a question mark at the end of them, as though they were asked for clarification. BUT, OBVIOUSLY, if you have ALREADY concluded the outcome BEFORE I EVER got a chance to even LOOK AT what you wrote, and respond, then if this is NOT the actual PROOF of just HOW MUCH assumptions can DISTORT things, then I do NOT know what else would be needed.

Then why are you on a philosophy forum if you have already concluded what time is or is not.

To learn how to communicate that better.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:52 pm Why are you even bothering to bring up the subject at all.

Did I bring up the subject? Or, did "another" one bring the word up when they said; everything is in a constant state of motion as nothing is ever the same at any two points in space or time which I just replied to?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:52 pm If you are ever going to bring up the subject of time, then obviously you too will be falling into the same ASSUMING trap that you accuse others of falling into.

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LOL Is this what you REALLY BELIEVE IS TRUE?

What actually leads you to use the 'obviously' word here?

Did you forget that I said I can back up and support what I say. So, if I talk about 'time', then I can also back up and support what I say about 'time'. There is, AGAIN, NO assuming, made on my part anyway.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:19 amBut again, 'you' would have to KNOW how to answer the question, 'Who am 'I'?', properly AND correctly, FIRST.

And you would have to realise that the question ''Who am I '' can only arise to the sense of a separate self. Which everyone knows is a phantom.

And is why questions, any question always lead to more questions, because questions are just answers unanswered.

Just keep playing with yourself Age, we're all doing it, for there is no other. You know it, and everyone knows it.

I'll be back again, when I have the desire to play with myself again. Bye for now.



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Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:47 am

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:10 pm Of course "NO human being has access to the actual Truth, through the actual Universe, which they are actually in, HERE NOW".
Almost everyone knows this, why don't you?

Is this the actual Truth?

If yes, then HOW did you gain 'access' to this Truth, and, WHERE did you get this Truth from, exactly?

But if no, then WHY express what is NOT actually True?

I asked you a clarifying question. Most people know very well that no one has access to the Truth (no one can channel the Universe), only some insane people claim otherwise, but can never prove it. This is what is actually true as far as we can tell, so why don't you know this?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:13 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:19 amBut again, 'you' would have to KNOW how to answer the question, 'Who am 'I'?', properly AND correctly, FIRST.

And you would have to realise that the question ''Who am I '' can only arise to the sense of a separate self. Which everyone knows is a phantom.

And IF "everyone" supposedly "knows" this, then WHERE and HOW did they gather that knowledge?

What actual EVIDENCE and/or PROOF is there that there is NO separate 'self' from thee 'Self'?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:13 pm And is why questions, any question always lead to more questions, because questions are just answers unanswered.

NOT after ALL the questions have been answered, properly and correctly, and therefore one has gone 'FULL CIRCLE' revealing the actual One True big picture of Life, and Existence, Itself.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:13 pm Just keep playing with yourself Age, we're all doing it, for there is no other. You know it, and everyone knows it.

There is NO "other" to One. But there is many "others" to each and EVERY one.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:13 pm I'll be back again, when I have the desire to play with myself again. Bye for now.



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Why are you saying, "Bye for now", when One can NOT leave Its Self?

Or, are you speaking from the human being 'self', when it says, "bye", to another human being?

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:22 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:47 am

Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:10 pm Of course "NO human being has access to the actual Truth, through the actual Universe, which they are actually in, HERE NOW".
Almost everyone knows this, why don't you?

Is this the actual Truth?

If yes, then HOW did you gain 'access' to this Truth, and, WHERE did you get this Truth from, exactly?

But if no, then WHY express what is NOT actually True?

I asked you a clarifying question.

AND, I asked you a clarifying question.

The DIFFERENCE between the clarifying question was asked can be CLEARLY SEEN.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:22 pm Most people know very well that no one has access to the Truth (no one can channel the Universe), only some insane people claim otherwise, but can never prove it. This is what is actually true as far as we can tell, so why don't you know this?

So, 'you' CLAIM that NO one has access to the Truth, or just what is actually true,, but then go on to CLAIM that you KNOW what is actually true, or thee Truth. Okay, so be it.

The answer to WHY I do NOT accept what you CLAIM here is BECAUSE of the OBVIOUS FACT that I am an "insane idiot".

As for 'me', thee "insane idiot", not supposedly knowing that most people know very that NO one has access to the Truth or just what is actually true, then that is just your very own ASSUMPTION. Because, even though 'I' am an "insane idiot", to you, I STILL ALREADY KNOW that a proportion of human beings BELIEVE that NO one has access to the Truth, or to what is actually true. But, "insane idiots", like 'me' can CLEARLY SEE that you CLAIM to KNOW what is actually true here. But, because I do NOT like to assume any thing at all, I will just CLARIFY, once more, to MAKE SURE what is 'actually true', to you.

Is what you said here in the quote, the actual Truth, to you?

If yes, then HOW did you gain 'access' to this Truth, and, WHERE did you get this Truth from, exactly?

But if no, then WHY express what is NOT actually True?

Let us SEE if you WILL answer this Truly OPEN and VERY SIMPLE CLARIFYING question, THIS TIME.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:50 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:22 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:47 am

Is this the actual Truth?

If yes, then HOW did you gain 'access' to this Truth, and, WHERE did you get this Truth from, exactly?

But if no, then WHY express what is NOT actually True?

I asked you a clarifying question.

AND, I asked you a clarifying question.

The DIFFERENCE between the clarifying question was asked can be CLEARLY SEEN.
...

Let us SEE if you WILL answer this Truly OPEN and VERY SIMPLE CLARIFYING question, THIS TIME.

SO to be clear are you clarifying the clarification or is this a clarification of a different clarification? Maybe the previous clarification clarifies the premise, but not the answer whilst the former clarification failed to clarify the clarification of the answer AND the question. I thin it will all become clear if we can get some more clarity!

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:50 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:22 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:47 am

Is this the actual Truth?

If yes, then HOW did you gain 'access' to this Truth, and, WHERE did you get this Truth from, exactly?

But if no, then WHY express what is NOT actually True?

I asked you a clarifying question.

AND, I asked you a clarifying question.

The DIFFERENCE between the clarifying question was asked can be CLEARLY SEEN.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:22 pm Most people know very well that no one has access to the Truth (no one can channel the Universe), only some insane people claim otherwise, but can never prove it. This is what is actually true as far as we can tell, so why don't you know this?

So, 'you' CLAIM that NO one has access to the Truth, or just what is actually true,, but then go on to CLAIM that you KNOW what is actually true, or thee Truth. Okay, so be it.

The answer to WHY I do NOT accept what you CLAIM here is BECAUSE of the OBVIOUS FACT that I am an "insane idiot".

As for 'me', thee "insane idiot", not supposedly knowing that most people know very that NO one has access to the Truth or just what is actually true, then that is just your very own ASSUMPTION. Because, even though 'I' am an "insane idiot", to you, I STILL ALREADY KNOW that a proportion of human beings BELIEVE that NO one has access to the Truth, or to what is actually true. But, "insane idiots", like 'me' can CLEARLY SEE that you CLAIM to KNOW what is actually true here. But, because I do NOT like to assume any thing at all, I will just CLARIFY, once more, to MAKE SURE what is 'actually true', to you.

Is what you said here in the quote, the actual Truth, to you?

If yes, then HOW did you gain 'access' to this Truth, and, WHERE did you get this Truth from, exactly?

But if no, then WHY express what is NOT actually True?

Let us SEE if you WILL answer this Truly OPEN and VERY SIMPLE CLARIFYING question, THIS TIME.

You know very well that sane people reject certainty about absolute knowledge, and so do I. So you have refused to answer the clarifying question as usual.

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:23 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:50 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:22 pm
I asked you a clarifying question.

AND, I asked you a clarifying question.

The DIFFERENCE between the clarifying question was asked can be CLEARLY SEEN.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:22 pm Most people know very well that no one has access to the Truth (no one can channel the Universe), only some insane people claim otherwise, but can never prove it. This is what is actually true as far as we can tell, so why don't you know this?

So, 'you' CLAIM that NO one has access to the Truth, or just what is actually true,, but then go on to CLAIM that you KNOW what is actually true, or thee Truth. Okay, so be it.

The answer to WHY I do NOT accept what you CLAIM here is BECAUSE of the OBVIOUS FACT that I am an "insane idiot".

As for 'me', thee "insane idiot", not supposedly knowing that most people know very that NO one has access to the Truth or just what is actually true, then that is just your very own ASSUMPTION. Because, even though 'I' am an "insane idiot", to you, I STILL ALREADY KNOW that a proportion of human beings BELIEVE that NO one has access to the Truth, or to what is actually true. But, "insane idiots", like 'me' can CLEARLY SEE that you CLAIM to KNOW what is actually true here. But, because I do NOT like to assume any thing at all, I will just CLARIFY, once more, to MAKE SURE what is 'actually true', to you.

Is what you said here in the quote, the actual Truth, to you?

If yes, then HOW did you gain 'access' to this Truth, and, WHERE did you get this Truth from, exactly?

But if no, then WHY express what is NOT actually True?

Let us SEE if you WILL answer this Truly OPEN and VERY SIMPLE CLARIFYING question, THIS TIME.

You know very well that sane people reject certainty about absolute knowledge, and so do I.

But, as an "insane idiot" how would I very well know this?

To 'me', and other "insane idiots", it does not make any sense at all for someone, like 'you', to make certain CLAIMS about things like; 'NO one has access to the Truth', or, 'sane people reject certainty about absolute knowledge', and then go on to CLAIM that this is certainly absolute knowledge, itself.

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:23 pm So you have refused to answer the clarifying question as usual.

But I NEVER refused to answer the clarifying question at all, which can be CLEARLY EVIDENCED and SEEN above. It is 'you' who is actually refusing to answer the clarifying question, as usual.

I answered your clarifying question when I said and wrote; The answer to WHY I do NOT accept what you CLAIM here is BECAUSE of the OBVIOUS FACT that I am an "insane idiot".

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:50 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:22 pm
I asked you a clarifying question.

AND, I asked you a clarifying question.

The DIFFERENCE between the clarifying question was asked can be CLEARLY SEEN.
...

Let us SEE if you WILL answer this Truly OPEN and VERY SIMPLE CLARIFYING question, THIS TIME.

SO to be clear are you clarifying the clarification or is this a clarification of a different clarification?

You seem to have obviously MISSED THE POINT.

The clarifying question posed to me, was based on an assumption that was CLEARLY WRONG. So, the question was asked in relation to some thing that I was NOT even doing.

Whereas, the difference between the clarification I posed to that person was in regards to what they had actually stated.

Did that clear up the difference in clarification that I was alluding to earlier? Or, are you still lost, and thus more clarification is needed, by you?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:57 pm Maybe the previous clarification clarifies the premise, but not the answer whilst the former clarification failed to clarify the clarification of the answer AND the question.

But there was and still is NO clarification, let alone a previous clarification, which has been given by the one to wit I posed the clarifying question to.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:57 pm I thin it will all become clear if we can get some more clarity!

Well that is an EXTREMELY OBVIOUS proposition to make. Do you really think that this needs to be said, and shared?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:50 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:22 pm
I asked you a clarifying question.

AND, I asked you a clarifying question.

The DIFFERENCE between the clarifying question was asked can be CLEARLY SEEN.
...

Let us SEE if you WILL answer this Truly OPEN and VERY SIMPLE CLARIFYING question, THIS TIME.

SO to be clear are you clarifying the clarification or is this a clarification of a different clarification? Maybe the previous clarification clarifies the premise, but not the answer whilst the former clarification failed to clarify the clarification of the answer AND the question. I thin it will all become clear if we can get some more clarity!

omg... too funny.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:14 am

You know very well that sane people reject certainty about absolute knowledge, and so do I.

But, as an "insane idiot" how would I very well know this?

To 'me', and other "insane idiots", it does not make any sense at all for someone, like 'you', to make certain CLAIMS about things like
... BLA BLA BLA skip

Because I told you several times already (since you were insane enough not to know this). Sane people never make 100% certain claims.

Severe memory loss is usually not necessary for insanity, but are you saying that you also have that one?

And still avoiding to answer the clarifying question, everyone can see that.