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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:22 pm Son (ETC...)

I sure hope you aren't older than me, because you sound like a 19 year old...

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:24 pm
Humanity matters. I don't.

How very altruistic. I expect you'll shortly be donating both kidneys?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:26 pm How very altruistic. I expect you'll shortly be donating both kidneys?

How conveniently misunderstood.

Giving my last kidney to you would mean I think you matter more than me. You don't and I don't think that.

We matter more than you. Giving up my kidneys isn't going to help US

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:27 pm We matter equally. All of us.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao? Lesser criminals? The handicapped? Women? Foreigners? Enemies? The comatose and moribund? The unborn? Me?

They all matter to you as much as yourself?

Why should they?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:31 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:27 pm We matter equally. All of us.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao? Lesser criminals? The handicapped? Women? Foreigners? Enemies? The comatose and moribund? The unborn? Me?

They all matter to you as much as yourself?

Why should they?

Because they contribute until proven otherwise?

This comes to mind: http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Golga ... eet_Ship_B

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:31 pm Because you are more useful than not until proven otherwise.

I trust you'll forgive me if I am not encouraged by the thought of trying to centre my worth as a human being in my mere utility to someone else. And I'm definitely not inspired to trust the process (whatever it may be) by which things are "proven otherwise."

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:34 pm I trust you'll forgive me if I am not encouraged by the thought of trying to centre my worth as a human being in my mere utility to someone else. And I'm definitely not inspired to trust the process (whatever it may be) by which things are "proven otherwise."

For somebody who says "control is an illusion" I sure wonder if you DO trust anything.

More fallacy of gray - "I don't trust doctors - so I am going to do my own appendisectomy"

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:35 pm For somebody who says "control is an illusion" I sure wonder if you DO trust anything.

Well, none of the things you're backing at the moment, anyway.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:36 pm Well, none of the things you're backing at the moment, anyway.

That's a performative contradiction. Using this INTERNET thing. Built by strangers for your benefit. Having education at your fingertips.
Using electricity, fresh water and sanitation.
Buying food from the convenience store near you.
Benefitting from medical and police services.
Living in the safest time in human history. NOT having to sleep with one eye open.
Not dying from sepsis when you get a sore tooth.

Go live in the wild for a while and tell us how it goes flying solo.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:38 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:36 pm Well, none of the things you're backing at the moment, anyway.

That's a performative contradiction.

No. The things you are backing at the moment.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:39 pm No. The things you are backing at the moment.

I am backing the status quo as well as its current trajectory (although things could move a little faster).

If you disagree, do tell me what other time in human history you would've preferred to live in...

Your logocentrism is distracting you from the fact that I believe in a "greater power". You call it God - I call it humanity. Teamwork/co-operation.

They are both very much the same idea with different gift-wrapping

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:40 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:39 pm No. The things you are backing at the moment.

I am backing the status quo as well as its current trajectory (although things could move a little faster).

Ah, the fresh naivety of Evolutionary Progressivism. It wafts to the nostrils like a summer breeze over the manure pile.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:45 pm Ah, the fresh naivety of Evolutionary Progressivism. It wafts to the nostrils like a summer breeze over the manure pile.

Ah, the cynicism of a powerless mind!

You conveniently ignored the question. If 2018 sucks, which century and which country would you like us to teleport you back to?

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:46 pm You conveniently ignored the question. If 2018 sucks, which century and which country would you like us to teleport you back to?

It wasn't on point. I will say for the third time, my skepticism was directed to the horses you were backing at the moment.

However, we shall see if 2018 is a good year to live in. The future is yet to be made. We may yet wish we were born earlier, especially if some of the technological blunders we're making come to fruition, or if it proves anywhere near as bloody an era as the previous century.