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SpheresOfBalance wrote: But then I guess I should expect that out of one that has only gone to high school.

You don't know me at all, but that's about the best we can expect.

Belinda wrote:Immanuel Can, your faith in a Supreme Being Who intervenes in nature is not a lot of use for making this world a better place.

Few people outside of the USA and superstitious 'third world' countries believe in an interventionist God.

This world is in bad trouble and you ought to take god more seriously than you do. If you persist in believing in an interventionist god you will fail to act as a fully responsible adult. God is not as magically powerful as you make out. Humans need to discover and support the immanent god. There is no magic, no miracle. There is just hard work sacrifice.

Yeeesss, those of the bible have believed that sacrifice means to murder another. That is not sacrifice!!! Sacrifice is jumping in front of a bullet to save your family or any other innocent life! Sacrifice is only ever denying the self! The opposite of selfish! To be "SELFLESS!!"

thedoc wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote: But then I guess I should expect that out of one that has only gone to high school.

You don't know me at all, but that's about the best we can expect.

Years ago you told me you didn't go to college. Your mind must be slipping or you lied, take your pick!

thedoc wrote:It seems that most Agnostics and Atheists fail to distinguish between "can" and "will", they claim that they don't believe because God doesn't do a particular thing, they fail to understand that perhaps God has chosen not to do that thing that they are looking for. Theists believe that God has granted "free will" to humans and yet Atheists and Agnostics seem to believe that God will preform some act on demand just for them, as if God does not have free will. Is God to be less than man? There seems to be a great deal of confusion that just because God does not preform some act to convince the skeptic, then God does not exist. Why should God fix the world that man has messed up, especially when the men who messed it up, then deny God's existence by saying that they want God out of their lives.

Don't be lumping agnostics in there: (pay attention to the blue text)

agnostic [ag-nos-tik]
noun
1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
Synonyms: disbeliever, nonbeliever, unbeliever; doubter, skeptic, secularist, empiricist; heathen, heretic, infidel, pagan.
2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
3. a person who holds neither of two opposing positions on a topic: Socrates was an agnostic on the subject of immortality.
adjective
4. of or relating to agnostics or their doctrines, attitudes, or beliefs.
5. asserting the uncertainty of all claims to knowledge.
6. not taking a stand on something, especially not holding either of two usually strongly opposed positions (often used in combination):
to take an agnostic view of technological progress; fuel agnostic energy policies.
7. (especially of digital technology) not limited or dedicated to a particular device, system, etc. (often used in combination): platform agnostic software.
Did you note the blue Doc? You see, when it comes to the "meaning" of words, you are definitely lacking! You, as most theists, twist their meaning to suit your "fear of death!"

thedoc wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

thedoc wrote:
You're wrong, some people can "know", but those who don't know, or don't believe, often project their disbelief onto others.
Wrong, I'm surprised that you don't "know" what either "certainty" or "know" means! But then I guess I should expect that out of one that has only gone to high school. While "knowledge" is in fact power, "ignorance" lends to the opposite!!! Seen a leprechaun lately?


My mother was like that, she claimed that she knew my motives better than I did, I just got tired of arguing with her.

Your mother has nothing to do with the "facts" that I present!
Bet you don't know the meaning of that word either!

You might know that you don't know, but you have no knowledge of what other people might know or not know. You are projecting your own ignorance onto others.

"Prove" that you "know!!!"

You "Can't!!!"

IT'S "IMPOSSIBLE!!!"

You only "believe," and that's not enough, so as to actually "know!"

thedoc wrote:Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

You're a mindless idiot. I have always said here that I'm AGNOSTIC, pay attention!!!
I'm saying that neither you nor anyone else can "know" your fucked up god exists! That I "believe" that there could be a "creator," NOT YOUR FUCKING GOD! And that atheists can't "know" that there isn't a "creator." They too can only "believe" that there is not a creator! Of course I agree with them, that your fucking god surely is a farce!

Those people back then were supreme idiots compared to us. For Christ's sake in the 1800's when Lincoln was shot they put leeches on his wounds, fucking stupid!

WE ARE STILL FAR TOO YOUNG TO KNOW IF THERE IS OR IS NOT A CREATOR!!!

But the GOD question is obviously WRONG!!!! BECAUSE HE WAS CREATED IN MANS IMAGE!! IT'S SO EASY TO SEE, YOU GOT TO BE A MORON TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE!!! NO, STRIKE THAT, SO SCARED SHITLESS OF DEATH, YOU'LL BELIEVE ANY FAR FETCHED TALE, NO MATTER HOW RIDICULOUS, SO AS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN LIVE FOREVER!!

Sheesh, you whacked out people blow my mind. Here I have some land in the Florida everglades I want to sell you, no it's solid ground, Suuuure it is...

FUCKING SELFISH, SCARED SHITLESS MORONS!!! I wish you'd all vanish, to make room for those that see knowledge/facts/truth in their true light, not some whacked out fictitious belief system due to the fear of death!

Better to "believe" that your "belief" in a creator as knowledge, is on the horizon, than to believe that your belief in your archaic god is knowledge, because your way allows you to tread on others that don't believe in your mystical crap! I'm tired of you fucking freaks telling others what is, when it's not apparent at all, just so you can quell your most feared fears, at the expense of those others. You people are sick.

I'VE ONLY EVER SAID THAT YOU CAN"T "KNOW" THAT YOUR MAN MADE "GOD" IS REAL, NEVER THAT EITHER I NOR ANYONE ELSE CAN "KNOW" THAT THERE IS OR IS NOT A "CREATOR!" PAY ATTENTION!!! WE ARE STILL TOO YOUNG TO "KNOW" THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION!! PERIOD!!!

Of course I shall always defend your right to "be seen as fools" (same as, ""believe" in anything you want, despite it not being provable")!

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

thedoc wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote: But then I guess I should expect that out of one that has only gone to high school.

You don't know me at all, but that's about the best we can expect.

Years ago you told me you didn't go to college. Your mind must be slipping or you lied, take your pick!

I never posted that, you must be confusing me with someone else, not surprising. I think it is your mind that is slipping.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Don't be lumping agnostics in there:

Just because you post it, doesn't make it so. Usually you are mistaken.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:"Prove" that you "know!!!"

I can't prove it to you, because you will only deny it.

thedoc wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Don't be lumping agnostics in there:

Just because you post it, doesn't make it so. Usually you are mistaken.

Only a fool sees the definitions of words and denies them, case in point! You fool you!

thedoc wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:"Prove" that you "know!!!"

I can't prove it to you, because you will only deny it.

No you can't prove it and you know it, which is why you don't try!

thedoc wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

thedoc wrote:
You don't know me at all, but that's about the best we can expect.

Years ago you told me you didn't go to college. Your mind must be slipping or you lied, take your pick!

I never posted that, you must be confusing me with someone else, not surprising. I think it is your mind that is slipping.

You posted it alright, it was around the same time you were too scared to watch that video on the fear of death, and lied to me about watching it. Remember that, or shall your selective memory kick in again!

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

thedoc wrote:Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I have always said here that I'm AGNOSTIC!!!

For Christ's sake in the 1800's when Lincoln was shot they put leeches on his wounds, fucking stupid!

WE ARE STILL FAR TOO YOUNG TO KNOW IF THERE IS OR IS NOT A CREATOR!!!

But the GOD question is obviously WRONG!!!! BECAUSE HE WAS CREATED IN MANS IMAGE!! IT'S SO EASY TO SEE, YOU GOT TO BE A MORON TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE!!! NO, STRIKE THAT, SO SCARED SHITLESS OF DEATH, YOU'LL BELIEVE ANY FAR FETCHED TALE, NO MATTER HOW RIDICULOUS, SO AS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN LIVE FOREVER!!

I'VE ONLY EVER SAID THAT YOU CAN"T "KNOW" THAT YOUR MAN MADE "GOD" IS REAL, NEVER THAT EITHER I NOR ANYONE ELSE CAN "KNOW" THAT THERE IS OR IS NOT A "CREATOR!" PAY ATTENTION!!! WE ARE STILL TOO YOUNG TO "KNOW" THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION!!

Of course I shall always defend your right to "be seen as fools" (same as, ""believe" in anything you want, despite it not being provable")!

I don't care what you call yourself, I can read what you have written.

Best medicine of the time, you begrudge them for being products of their time?

So you're an atheist, denying that there is a God.

While I thank you for defending my right to believe as I wish, I question your hostility and abuse to my statements.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

thedoc wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote: Years ago you told me you didn't go to college. Your mind must be slipping or you lied, take your pick!

I never posted that, you must be confusing me with someone else, not surprising. I think it is your mind that is slipping.

You posted it alright, it was around the same time you were too scared to watch that video on the fear of death, and lied to me about watching it. Remember that, or shall your selective memory kick in again!

Post the quote of when I stated that.

thedoc wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

thedoc wrote:
I never posted that, you must be confusing me with someone else, not surprising. I think it is your mind that is slipping.

You posted it alright, it was around the same time you were too scared to watch that video on the fear of death, and lied to me about watching it. Remember that, or shall your selective memory kick in again!

Post the quote of when I stated that.

Like I'm your dog that will go fetch a stick! Think again!