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“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
~ George Orwell, 1984

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:18 pm ..next time I am in England - I WILL round them up - the Muslims will succumb to the Wrath of GOD that I will bring..

..it will go along the lines of --> 6

to ---> 6

to --> 6

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:31 pm
Are you trying to get put on a terrorist watchlist now?

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 4:46 pm You're contradicting yourself.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:54 pmYou know how to find the proof, and you can find it for yourself.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:54 pmMake a case you'll believe. Apparently, nobody else can.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:13 pmPatience, people. It takes time to work out the narrative line of obfuscation. Coherent sophistry is harder and harder to come by! Let Ibn-Wilbur Al-Boneman’s mental wheels whirl.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:17 pmI’ll get nowhere by agreeing to involve myself in your childishness.

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:49 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:54 pmYou know how to find the proof, and you can find it for yourself.

You're quite right; I do know how to do research. The problem is I cannot find the sort of evidence you say is easy to find.

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:51 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:13 pmPatience, people. It takes time to work out the narrative line of obfuscation. Coherent sophistry is harder and harder to come by! Let Ibn-Wilbur Al-Boneman’s mental wheels whirl.

Make your mind up Gus. Only yesterday you were saying this:

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:17 pmI’ll get nowhere by agreeing to involve myself in your childishness.

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

~ George Orwell, 1984

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:41 pmYou leave me with the role of the adult here.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:41 pmI am more interested in the mechanisms (if that is the right word) of miscommunication and, in your case, that will to refuse to understand.

I am interested in this in this context:

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

~ George Orwell, 1984

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:55 pmI'm not going to tell you what you've seen.

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:58 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 1:55 pmI'm not going to tell you what you've seen.

Who knows? It could jog a memory, but of more immediate interest is what you have seen.

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:55 pmWell here's the thing. If someone makes a claim that sections of the media are lying, I really don't think the onus is on anyone but them to do the heavy lifting to support that assertion. That would take references to articles that are demonstrably lies. It's quite a high bar as they would need to show, not only that the journalist wrote something that was untrue, but that the author knew at the time of writing that it was untrue. Immanuel Can and you keep insisting that doing so is easy, but while there has been some hand waving towards sections to the right of the media, I have yet to see anything substantial. It's as if you want me to just accept your party line. I would like to think the irony isn't lost on you.

IC wrote:You have selected the major media, which used to be regarded as impartial, but have been exposed as ideologically coded with the dominant narratives of the ruling elite lately. Examples abound, including practically all their coverage of things like the elections, the demonstrations, the COVID 'crisis,' and the Ukraine and Gaza wars. They're shilling for their masters.

I think that if you examine them, you will find that you will not be told the truth by these sources. But to our good fortune, the legacy media is all in a death-spiral right now, as a crisis of public confidence in their reliability is upon them. We will soon find that they will collapse financially, or at least be so thoroughly rejected as a source of public information that they will no longer retain their utility to the powers that be. And that, as it turns out, will be a very good thing. It's past time that the monopoly on information they used to hold was broken.