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Conciousness is not OPEN because Consciousness is not CLOSED.
Lol actually I'm controlling you by making you waste your time writing page long responses, and by making you put your mental illness on display. It's all an experiment. And then I don't read the long parts I cut out.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:28 amNO.
'I' control 'you' by making 'you' reply to 'me', although you supposedly do not read what I write, which by the way you OBVIOUSLY do read. As PROVEN here ONCE AGAIN.
In fact 'I' continually make 'you' do things, although you deny doing them, and then, by the way 'I' am able to control the 'you', I make 'you' provide the PROOF of what you deny even doing.
How many words I use to MAKE THIS HAPPEN is of absolutely NO issue at all, well for me anyway.
Partly. But 'Yes' would be a sufficient enough answer for now.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:12 pmIs that because all that can ever be experienced is only within the eternal now ?Age wrote:
For the Universe to exist the way It does then space and motion is NEEDED. Time however is a completely other matter
But if 'what' is eternal?surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:12 pm But if it is eternal it will have a temporal element to it so why cannot time exist ?
But this is NOT "wasting my time", at all. As I said this is NO issue at all, well for me anyway. Also, as for "putting my mental illness on display" is of NO issue at all, for me, as well.Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:39 pmLol actually I'm controlling you by making you waste your time writing page long responses, and by making you put your mental illness on display.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:28 amNO.
'I' control 'you' by making 'you' reply to 'me', although you supposedly do not read what I write, which by the way you OBVIOUSLY do read. As PROVEN here ONCE AGAIN.
In fact 'I' continually make 'you' do things, although you deny doing them, and then, by the way 'I' am able to control the 'you', I make 'you' provide the PROOF of what you deny even doing.
How many words I use to MAKE THIS HAPPEN is of absolutely NO issue at all, well for me anyway.
Okay. But how do you know that this is all an experiment?
"Much better" for who?
Then in what specific way do you think it exists ?Age wrote:
I think that time does actually exist Just NOT in the way that you think time exists
Re: Age who claims EVERY thing I say can and will be backed up and supported with empirical EVIDENCE and PROOF, or with sound, valid arguments.
'Time' to me is just the word, which refers to the human behavior of working out the duration between two perceived events. I say, 'perceived', because there is only One actual event occurring.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:38 amThen in what specific way do you think it exists ?Age wrote:
I think that time does actually exist Just NOT in the way that you think time exists
I will only KNOW, for sure, AFTER you inform us of how you define the word 'time'.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:38 am And how is that different to how I think it does ?
When did i claim that "thinking informs 'time' does actually exist.
Although I wonder if you actually are SEEING this from the way I do, sometimes you actually do. From what you are saying here, in one sense, and from my perspective, this is thee actual Truth of things.
No it does not. This implies whatever 'you' interpret as. BUT, this 'means' what I MEANT it to MEAN, which, by the way, can be completely different from what you see it as implying.
Once again, here is ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of a human being making ASSUMPTIONS, and then BELIEVING those ASSUMPTIONS are the one and only actual CONCLUSION, without EVER ONCE clarify nor investigating with the one who spoke/wrote the words.
You have here even found your VERY OWN conclusion laughable.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:05 pm Also Age...I have a question waiting for you here ...viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29752
Quote: ''If you WANT logical and sound PROOF that 'hell' exists, then question AND challenge me about this.''
Look forward to your response, thanks in advance.
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Well if your life is already so bad that it's no issue for you, then again that's your problem.Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:35 amBut this is NOT "wasting my time", at all. As I said this is NO issue at all, well for me anyway. Also, as for "putting my mental illness on display" is of NO issue at all, for me, as well.Atla wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:39 pmLol actually I'm controlling you by making you waste your time writing page long responses, and by making you put your mental illness on display.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:28 am
NO.
'I' control 'you' by making 'you' reply to 'me', although you supposedly do not read what I write, which by the way you OBVIOUSLY do read. As PROVEN here ONCE AGAIN.
In fact 'I' continually make 'you' do things, although you deny doing them, and then, by the way 'I' am able to control the 'you', I make 'you' provide the PROOF of what you deny even doing.
How many words I use to MAKE THIS HAPPEN is of absolutely NO issue at all, well for me anyway.
Okay. But how do you know that this is all an experiment?
Sounds like you believe you are channeling the Universe or channeling some other unknown source here. Otherwise, how would you know that "it's all an experiment"?
Who do you propose is "running this experiment", in which 'you', yourself, are obviously just one of 'us', test subjects, here?
"Much better" for who?
Then why ask for clarification from others if you have already found your VERY OWN conclusion?
To ''be here'' is known...so this known ''be here'' cannot be unknown. In the known ''be here'' ..this knowing known cannot unknow itself like the way it was stated in the last comment...here> ''But only for the split second I read that. After that split second has past 'i' am not there anymore.''
Yes, Consciousness is the knowing, the only knowing there is.
Well that would be a matter for me to know that.. not you.
Human beings are born not-knowing anything. Their knowing comes from an external source, namely, as and through knowledge, aka WORDS believed to be real...that is passed along from one generation to the next. All knowledge aka WORDS are a manifestion of SOUND heard as words with meaning, quite meaningless in the grand scheme of things, as it's just noise...much like the sound of a barking dog, except with a bit more bite to it.
Yeah, it's kind of crap how that happens sometimes, it's called lost in translation. But is not important, since we all can only know and experience what is our own personal direct experience, what feels true and right for that one only.
Nah, believe me, people are not that dumb..when people arrive HERE, only they will know that, and they will not depend on another one to validate and approve of their own knowing. So the comment is just basically darn stupid.
Well again, that is only Consciousness pretending to not be HERE. It's really nothing to get all fired uppity uppity about.
No they don't. Human beings can't do anything of the sort, for they are concepts known within consciousness itself. Consciousness does not even know because consciousness is the KNOWING that cannot be known.
Well that's where you continue to have your head stuck up your arse believing that characters can get a peek up their own skirt, when they obviously cannot, and the reason why has been explained many, many times to you that characters do not know anything, characters are KNOWN by the only knowing there is which is Consciousness.
Nothing that does not exist can believe or know anything. Including the concept of Consciousness. There is only empty immediate direct KNOWING without knowing.
Wrong again, humans can't do or know anything.
This is all bollocks and misinformation that you love to accuse others of having.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:02 pmJust because Consciousness asks a human being a question, the human being can misconstrue and distort this in absolutely any way. Here, for example, of the human being BELIEVING that just because they are asked a question, which they are OBVIOUSLY INCAPABLE of answering, correctly, then they instantly "jump to some distorted conclusion", to distract them of the FACT that they do NOT know. This human being decided to go with the "demanding answers" conclusion.
No idea what is being babbled here. It's just confusing wtf are you talking about word salad, and then you wonder why no one can communicate properly with you.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:02 pmYet, if asked to clarify WHY they made this assumption, and BELIEVE that this is true, then they, once again, would NOT be able to clarify, and in fact would NOT BELIEVE that this is even what took place. They ARE in complete DENIAL, as will be PROVEN.
Do you SEE ALL questions as "demanding answers"?
If yes, then WHY?
But if no, then WHY that question I asked?
Speak for yourself.
Speak for yourself.
That's nice for you.
Clevvver boy, well observed.
Ok, lets here them, then?
Well obviously every author of it's own story knows the outcome of it's story. Any one with half a brain knows that fact.
Agreeing or not agreeing arises within oneness as oneness interacts with itself over it's own known conceptual stories. The character in the story has nothing to do with the play of energy since the character is just an idea, it does not exist.
Presence is already in perfect harmony and peace. It does not depend on a story to inform it of such. For example: the still peaceful lake does not depend on a mind to inform it of such, the still peaceful lake is self evidently still and peaceful...and the same applies to this immediate alive presence aka awareness.
Speak for yourself.
There is no one or thing controlling any one or thing. These are just energies and known as concepts arising in and to consciousness ONLY.
More pointless waffle.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:02 pm'you' are 'trying' as hard as you can, and as desperately to write thee story, but it is just NEVER going to work. Here is a hint, if you want to write a story, then it HAS TO BE one that makes sense to one and ALL, that is EVERY one. 'your' story makes sense to NO one other than 'you'. But even then 'you' do NOT know how to make actual and FULL sense of it.
More useless waffling on about fairy phantom stories, that have no substance whatsoever so are irrelevant.
How can cartoon characters do any of the things requested here as they do not exist.
NOT consciousness does not exist, there's no such thing. So this is just more pointless waffle.
Sorry, but light trying to shine on itself, is just nigh impossible. That's like the sun trying to burn itself. You really are being stupid now.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:02 pm And, because you can NOT, then this is WHY you just keep re-repeating what you have said previously. And, also the very reason WHY 'you' 'try to' put this back onto Consciousness is so the 'shine' is TAKEN OFF 'you'. But, this will NEVER work. This is because 'I', Consciousness will always shine the light back onto 'you', human beings.
Gosh, you really are funny one aren't you?
Oh really, is that so? well well well, you really do know alot about yourself don't you. And that's great, because you are the only knowing there is in your direct experience, although I'd drop the concept of you and just be the real you, else you'll be thinking there are two of you, and that might confuse you even more than you already do confuse yourself.
Oh boy, this is so tickling my funny bones now...of course there is pleasure and pain, but only as known concepts arising and falling in you. Same goes for the concept BLISS and contentment... these too are also known concepts that arise and fall in consciousness.
Well again, that would only be light trying hard when it doesn't really have to, as part of it's infinite expression.
LOL... but Consciousness does not MOVE. . except in the move i as cartoon characters move on a move i screen while the screen itself is motionless, sigh! Why do you keep forgetting this?
That's because human beings don't exist. . and that which does not exist can't.
Wow, poor humans eh, the shit they have to go through, it just breaks my heart to observe it sometimes.
No SELF has ever been seen...so this is just more useless waffle arising here on this forum screen.
Speak for yourself.
The fact that you openly admit you are creating a dance between two energies is more evidence that you just refuse to be the stillness peace and harmony you speak of.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:02 pmThis is because of the way 'I' am controlling 'you' by making 'you' dance, for Me. This is because the more 'you' dance and weave away from being Truly OPEN and Honest, then the MORE evidence AND prove I am making, to substantiate My claim of HOW simple and easy peace and harmony will come about for EVERY one.
There is no claimer or knower except in my fictional story that I am not writing nor readin except in my conceptual story arising here in me.
What an amazing dance, I do hope you are purposely enjoying making all this happen to yourself.Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:02 pmAlso, it is NOT frustrating at all, when I am purposely making THIS HAPPEN. When I cause this to occur in order to make the goal happen, then this is the very opposite of frustrating.
By me, NOT YET saying what it is that I want to say and express, then 'I' am controlling 'you' to MISCONSTRUE 'Me', and what 'I' say.
You are a bastard child, you have no relatives, your apparent relatives are your imagined ideas that you believe to exist in your imagined story that you are not writing or reading to anyone else except yourself.
Sure, it will for you are nothing without your handy.
What a silly childish, stuuupid thing to say.
In the words that were being written.
In not sure of the thought that time exists, is a bit of a silly thing to say. Time obviously exists as a word with attached meaning.
Well that's obvious simply because the known concept ( i ) or even the known concept ( observer ) and ( perceiver ) are all arbitrary notions that come and go here..and cannot be located to be any thing that can be captured in realtime as living proof of their actual existence...how would an invisible thought even show up except as a word with attached meaning.
Well of course I can only experience and know anything from the perspective of the one that is myself right here now.
So there are differences, you've just said there are. Yes, you really did say that.
Well this is just about as useful as a chocolate teapot as per usual from you.
Then why are you on a philosophy forum if you have already concluded what time is or is not. Why are you even bothering to bring up the subject at all. If you are ever going to bring up the subject of time, then obviously you too will be falling into the same ASSUMING trap that you accuse others of falling into.Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:22 pmYou may have made sentences and added a question mark at the end of them, as though they were asked for clarification. BUT, OBVIOUSLY, if you have ALREADY concluded the outcome BEFORE I EVER got a chance to even LOOK AT what you wrote, and respond, then if this is NOT the actual PROOF of just HOW MUCH assumptions can DISTORT things, then I do NOT know what else would be needed.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:28 am
'I' control 'you' by making 'you' reply to 'me'
In fact 'I' continually make 'you' do things.
But this is NOT "wasting my time", at all. As I said this is NO issue at all, well for me anyway. Also, as for "putting my mental illness on display" is of NO issue at all, for me, as well.
Now, what supposed "problem"?Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:25 pmWell if your life is already so bad that it's no issue for you, then again that's your problem.Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:35 amBut this is NOT "wasting my time", at all. As I said this is NO issue at all, well for me anyway. Also, as for "putting my mental illness on display" is of NO issue at all, for me, as well.
Okay. But how do you know that this is all an experiment?
Sounds like you believe you are channeling the Universe or channeling some other unknown source here. Otherwise, how would you know that "it's all an experiment"?
Who do you propose is "running this experiment", in which 'you', yourself, are obviously just one of 'us', test subjects, here?
"Much better" for who?
LOL So, you set up this website, did you?
Do they?Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:25 pm It's not uncommon among psychotics and other kinds of mentally ill people to believe that they are channeling The One / God / The Universe. For example they can believe that The One / God / the Universe is using them for some purpose, for example for creation through imagination. That the One is making itself known through them and potentially other humans, and that they get access to The Truth this way.
And how is 'YOUR' experiment actually going here?
Why do you, supposedly, "not really care" now?
The passing of an event [ an event is a point of existence ]Age wrote:
I think that time does actually exist Just NOT in the way that you think time exists
I will only KNOW for sure AFTER you inform us of how you define the word time
