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Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:12 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:06 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:50 pm

Again, you DO NOT KNOW THIS, IC. You don't know what God wants.

Fascinating that you imagine you're able to say what I can or cannot know. What's your basis?

If you know something more than I do about such things, then I assume you've returned from the dead or something miraculous. Have you?

Why would you suppose a person had to return from the dead, in order for God to be able to speak?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:36 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:12 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:06 pm
Fascinating that you imagine you're able to say what I can or cannot know. What's your basis?

If you know something more than I do about such things, then I assume you've returned from the dead or something miraculous. Have you?

Why would you suppose a person had to return from the dead, in order for God to be able to speak?

If God has spoken to you, then can you tell me a little about his voice? Is he more or less baritone, tenor? What exactly did God say when he spoke to you?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:46 pm

Why are you still wasting your time with this?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:46 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:36 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:12 pm

If you know something more than I do about such things, then I assume you've returned from the dead or something miraculous. Have you?

Why would you suppose a person had to return from the dead, in order for God to be able to speak?

If God has spoken to you, then can you tell me a little about his voice?

Did I say He has spoken to me, privately, audibly, as a dismbodied voice of some kind? Nowhere I can find did I say that. But He has most certainly spoken: He's made his intentions known in the Word of God, which anybody can read...including you, if you were inclined.

As Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:52 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:46 pm

Why are you still wasting your time with this?

Because I have nothing else to talk to IC about and he's wonderful company. Why are you asking?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:56 pm As Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

You must have an audio version of the Bible, then.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:16 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:56 pm As Jesus said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

You must have an audio version of the Bible, then.

They're available.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:47 pm

Agnostics may not think they’re atheists, but they sound like atheists.

JP Sears
How to be an Atheist (Funny) - Ultra Spiritual Life episode 17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS1icEssOUM

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:26 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:47 pm Then thank ...born.

Too silly a question for any serious answer.

Not as silly as a God who throws away wasting billions of lives just to make one or two lives.

It’s wasteful and not very well thought out. Imagine killing billions just for the sake of one life.

Thank goodness there are smart people who are already smarter than God knowing there is no individual self in any one of those sperms, and that there’s just no one being born or dying.

That’s just basic biology common sense and rational logic. But then not all self confessed smart Alex’s can understand basic truths. Sometimes it takes silliness to get to actual truth, like the silliness of God who murders its own creation.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:31 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:58 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:37 pm
Precisely so. And we do not. So whose estimate matters?

We and our judicial systems should aim to be merciful like God.

Yes. And also just, like God. Would that were what we were!

More to the practical point, punishments should be for reforming wrong doers, not inflicting suffering on them.

That depends. Punishment has more than one goal: one is sometimes reform, if the offender is willing to be corrected. Some are not. Another goal is justice. And that justice shall be served, whether for reform or redress, is the ultimate goal of all judgment.

Justice and mercy need not be mutually exclusive. It is not only more merciful to reform a wrongdoer, it also reduces crime., and also makes the criminal a happier person.
In the ethical point of view, to know all is to forgive all.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:52 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:26 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:47 pm Then thank ...born.

Too silly a question for any serious answer.

Not as silly as a God who throws away wasting billions of lives...

"Basic biology"? Would that you knew some!

You've completely forgotten that human beings are inherently binary: male and female. And that without both, there is no human life.

To answer anybody who doesn't even know what a "man" and "woman" are is really not worth anybody's time. So I won't be bothering.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:53 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:31 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:58 pm

We and our judicial systems should aim to be merciful like God.

Yes. And also just, like God. Would that were what we were!

More to the practical point, punishments should be for reforming wrong doers, not inflicting suffering on them.

That depends. Punishment has more than one goal: one is sometimes reform, if the offender is willing to be corrected. Some are not. Another goal is justice. And that justice shall be served, whether for reform or redress, is the ultimate goal of all judgment.

Justice and mercy need not be mutually exclusive.

You're right: they're not. They're compatible. But neither can erase the other. Both have to be fully actualized. Whatever the Great Judge arbitrates must be the perfect expression of mercy, but also not at any expense to the perfect fulfilling of justice. Quite a challenge, really.

It's ironic: the skeptics accuse God of being unjust, because he has allowed people like Hitler or Stalin to exist. Then they say He's not merciful, because He judges evil, including the evil that they, themselves have done, and then denied, excused, extenuated and hidden. One wonders what they really want -- and I suggest that what they want is neither justice nor mercy, but only the chance to accuse God of failing in one or another of these respects, in the vain hope of erasing Him from the moral equation and pronouncing Him unfit to judge them.

But they will be disappointed in that. He is able, and He will judge, to the complete satisfaction of the highest standards of both justice and mercy.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:57 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:52 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:26 pm
Too silly a question for any serious answer.

Not as silly as a God who throws away wasting billions of lives...

"Basic biology"? Would that you knew some!

You've completely forgotten that human beings are inherently binary: male and female. And that without both, there is no human life.

To answer anybody who doesn't even know what a "man" and "woman" are is really not worth anybody's time. So I won't be bothering.

You'll bother, especially when you are reminded about what you have probably forgotten which is that the concept of ''binary'' is the dream of conceptual separation.

Actual Reality is not a conceptual dream, the conceptual dream is an artificial overlay upon actual reality, the conceptual dream belongs to the human being, it's original author, who is playing itself in it's own created video game.

Whereas actual reality is one unitary action, never binary. Only the human conception is binary, but it was an immaculate conception remember?

Immaculate conception doesn't mean what you think it means, it actually means a reality prior to it's concept, which is no concept, without doubt or error. No thing, not a thing, nothing just simply IS appearing as every thing, in it's artificial conception ..Sorry to remind you.
Art is natural, the nature of what is natural is artificial. In other words, art is actually noumenon appearing as phenomena.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:16 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:57 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:52 am

Not as silly as a God who throws away wasting billions of lives...

"Basic biology"? Would that you knew some!

You've completely forgotten that human beings are inherently binary: male and female. And that without both, there is no human life.

To answer anybody who doesn't even know what a "man" and "woman" are is really not worth anybody's time. So I won't be bothering.

You'll bother...

Not really.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:21 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:16 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:57 pm
"Basic biology"? Would that you knew some!

You've completely forgotten that human beings are inherently binary: male and female. And that without both, there is no human life.

To answer anybody who doesn't even know what a "man" and "woman" are is really not worth anybody's time. So I won't be bothering.

You'll bother...

Not really.

See I told you you'd bother, that you'd return, come back to yourself. Mr Boomerang Big Bang Banging away until it dies, by which time there will be no one left to know it's over.