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There is no conversation with a man like that. All we can do is demonstrate his emptiness.

yeah, right, sure, whatever you say, bub

mickthinks wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:40 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:20 pm he gave you a provisional yes

What in Christ's name is a provisional "yes" if it isn't a "yes"?

It means, "I have to assume you're telling me the truth about the 8." But honestly, I don't know that you are, so I'm not in a position to grant you anything more than a provisional assent.

Give me better evidence, and you get more of an agreement. That's how evidence works. And really, you've supplied nothing: you've claimed that "White Supremacy" is the great threat in the West today. I ask for some evidence, and you give me 8 guys I don't even know about. But under any circumstances, 8 guys aren't a threat to any country the size of the US.

So do better...or realize you can't.

Manny, are you saying you don't know the answer to the question? You don't know whether there are White Supremacists in the US?

You're pleading ignorance?

Really?

...in the irony void between Mr Can's ears:

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:23 pmGive me better evidence, and you get more of an agreement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MkUyBI-lYk

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:02 am proud goys

LARPers

only a gamma would take 'em seriously

Maybe, but what sort of idiot would pretend they don't exist?

With regard to critical race theory do poor white people in America identify with poor black people? Or in America do poor white people identify with white people?

... do poor white people identify with white people?

"identify" is problematic here. Can you say what you mean in more detail, because this use of "identify" is, like many a pop-psychology term, ill-defined at best, at worst obfuscating.

mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:20 pm ... do poor white people identify with white people?

"identify" is problematic here. Can you say what you mean in more detail, because this use of "identify" is, like many a pop-psychology term, ill-defined at best, at worst obfuscating.

Okay .

I mean "take the part of" . "Feel brotherhood with". Live alongside in the same neighbourhood". "Experience the same or similar hostility or lack of interest from outgroups such as the police or rich employers". " Experience ingroup such as police reliability to attend to my legitimate interests". "Take social and financial benefits from affluent others".

lol Then the answer is sometimes yes, sometimes no, I guess. Some do. Some don't.

mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:44 pm lol Then the answer is sometimes yes, sometimes no, I guess. Some do. Some don't.

Why lol? And what question does your answer pertain to? And why?

Can you please try to help this conversation.

Sure!

do poor white people in America identify with poor black people?
Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. Some do. Some don't.

Or in America do poor white people identify with white people?
Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. Some do. Some don't.

mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:09 pm Sure!

do poor white people in America identify with poor black people?
Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. Some do. Some don't.

Or in America do poor white people identify with white people?
Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. Some do. Some don't.

Is your opinion discursive or is it based on research?

It's based on my pretty firm belief that people seldom fit nicely into categories such as "poor" and "white", particularly when the purpose of the category is to make predictions about their beliefs, opinions and behaviours. Or in other words, not all poor white people are the same.

I'm interested to discuss the point you want to make, but I need you to articulate it in clearer terms.

B,

mick (for once) is right

you're lookin' for monolithism where it doesn't, can't, exist

There hasn't been a bonafide 'leftist' since Lenin and Trotsky started pushing up daisies.

Rather the phenomena you identify as leftist is generally a collection of attitudes, behaviors and values of a class of people and politicians who are and have been thoroughly distorted by the conflicts created by late stage capitalism.

In shorter words, you created em, conservatives, now you eat em.