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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:46 pm It was not easy … but I found the vid that ties the two themes together!

Voilà!

Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein
und das heißt: Erika!

On the heath there blooms a flower
called Erika!

Me siento tan orgulloso!

With Henry I can understand the response but you surprise me! I always thought you had the ability to analyze even if I don't agree on some of your major assumptions; I still respected them. All the songs played in the Nazi period except for one existed long before the Nazis arrived. They were just regular folk songs.

It seems I vastly overestimated your intelligence based on prior posts.

Welcome to Henry Quirk's low-life idiots club.

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:31 am

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:46 pm It was not easy … but I found the vid that ties the two themes together!

Voilà!

Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein
und das heißt: Erika!

On the heath there blooms a flower
called Erika!

Me siento tan orgulloso!

With Henry I can understand the response but you surprise me! I always thought you had the ability to analyze even if I don't agree on some of your major assumptions; I still respected them. All the songs played in the Nazi period except for one existed long before the Nazis arrived. They were just regular folk songs.

It seems I vastly overestimated your intelligence based on prior posts.

Welcome to Henry Quirk's low-life idiots club.

Note: I have no idea what any of this Henry-Dubious stuff is about. It might be revealed on other threads but I don’t read other threads.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:17 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:31 am

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:46 pm It was not easy … but I found the vid that ties the two themes together!

Voilà!



On the heath there blooms a flower
called Erika!

Me siento tan orgulloso!

With Henry I can understand the response but you surprise me! I always thought you had the ability to analyze even if I don't agree on some of your major assumptions; I still respected them. All the songs played in the Nazi period except for one existed long before the Nazis arrived. They were just regular folk songs.

It seems I vastly overestimated your intelligence based on prior posts.

Welcome to Henry Quirk's low-life idiots club.

Note: I have no idea what any of this Henry-Dubious stuff is about. It might be revealed on other threads but I don’t read other threads.

It's about nothing at all. Most posts with Henry are about nothing...just a few stupid insults going back and forth for a short period. I was responding to your post which you included in this nothing affair being another stupid addition to stupidity.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:17 amI have no idea what any of this Henry-Dubious stuff is about.

Ain't nuthin': dub is one of those a'fear'd of the (nonexistent) Coronapocalypse. He's all for masks and lockdowns and jabs. And he'd boxcar those (like me) who reject masks, lockdowns, and jabs off to starve (or be starved) in the camps.

Same old same old.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:32 am

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:17 amI have no idea what any of this Henry-Dubious stuff is about.

Ain't nuthin': dub is one of those a'fear'd of the (nonexistent) Coronapocalypse. He's all for masks and lockdowns and jabs. And he'd boxcar those (like me) who reject masks, lockdowns, and jabs off to starve (or be starved) in the camps.

Same old same old.

Henry, if you live an isolated life in a nice country area with your own clean water source and your knowledge of bush craft you are relatively safe not to infect others with any diseases you may have. Otherwise all public health regulations are there to protect yourself and others. Most people live in cities in close proximity to others. Believe me as I spent the best years of my youth in a large city hospital for acute infectious fevers and I know something about infectious diseases, their causes, prevention, and morbidity, from the front line as it were.

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:59 am Henry, if you live an isolated life in a nice country area with your own clean water source and your knowledge of bush craft you are relatively safe not to infect others with any diseases you may have. Otherwise all public health regulations are there to protect yourself and others. Most people live in cities in close proximity to others. Believe me as I spent the best years of my youth in a large city hospital for acute infectious fevers and I know something about infectious diseases, their causes, prevention, and morbidity, from the front line as it were.

This is what I'm talkin' about, Alexis: the same script, from the same people.

Same old same old.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:57 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:59 am Henry, if you live an isolated life in a nice country area with your own clean water source and your knowledge of bush craft you are relatively safe not to infect others with any diseases you may have. Otherwise all public health regulations are there to protect yourself and others. Most people live in cities in close proximity to others. Believe me as I spent the best years of my youth in a large city hospital for acute infectious fevers and I know something about infectious diseases, their causes, prevention, and morbidity, from the front line as it were.

This is what I'm talkin' about, Alexis: the same script, from the same people.

Same old same old.

The only problem with B's argument is that even vax advocates know the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. I have not seen that they even claim it does.

All it does is, according to them, when it does anything, is moderate a few of the worst symptoms of the disease for the vaccinated person, on the theory that there won't be so many critical cases in the hospitals. For everybody else, it does absolutely nothing at all. They still get sick -- very sick -- and they still can even die from it if they're depleted physically already, or in a high-risk group, like the fatties, the oldies and the wheezies.

So by vaccinating oneself, one is not "protecting others" at all. One is protecting oneself modestly, and protecting the hospitals allegedly. But you can still get it, and just as easily as before; and you can transmit it just as easily as before. And you can still die from it, if conditions are right for that.

Meanwhile, if you overreact with fear, and don't keep the truth in front of your eyes, you're causing psychological distress and isolation, wrecking your economy, spreading panic, putting experimental poisons into the systems of people who don't need them (like young men -- remember that they can still spread the virus as easily as before, but there's practically zero chance it will kill them) and wasting resources.

So you have to weigh up what's won and lost. But as for infection to new hosts, the vaxxes do nothing.

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:59 amHenry, if you live an isolated life in a nice country area with your own clean water source and your knowledge of bush craft you are relatively safe not to infect others with any diseases you may have. Otherwise all public health regulations are there to protect yourself and others. Most people live in cities in close proximity to others. Believe me as I spent the best years of my youth in a large city hospital for acute infectious fevers and I know something about infectious diseases, their causes, prevention, and morbidity, from the front line as it were.

So far, there has been no point where the theoretical discussion (I gather it is about Christianity!) has been combined with topical affairs. I admit to being surprised by this. And now the thread has been shifted over to issues related to mass vaccination? Well, I guess one must go with the flow...

I would introduce this as a way to approach the topic:

AJ wrote: "Where does this tend? Is it a myth, a paranoia or a developing reality (?) that it tends in the direction of a powerful, tyrannical administrative State where technological means, and perhaps chemical-technological means, are employed as mechanisms of supreme control. Here I would mention the work of James Lindsay who explains and reveals how Marxist ideas have functioned and are functioning in conjunction with these technological control mechanisms. To confront these idea-constructs and to begin to *see* our world (what it is becoming) requires a renovation of the sort of awareness I refer to as 'spiritual'.

"If one has no lever or axis within ideas, and if one is effectively no longer capable of reasoned, ordered thought, and if one is seduced by the 'brutality' I refer to, one cannot any longer act as a sovereign, creative individual. In this sense the Spirit is thwarted."

From where I sit I notice that all narratives seem convoluted and confused. The information a person has, perhaps their perspectives, are all delivered to them through the media-systems. How could one, ever, arrive at a realistic perspective given that there are idea-wars going on in which (I think this is obvious) it no longer matters what the *truth* is since, it seems, the real facts are obfuscated by very powerful information-dispensing entities within a raw game of power-politics. The difficult part, again from where I sit, is in being able to accurately see and assess the larger dynamics of the power-struggles that are on-going.

However, one problem, and it is not a small one, is that when people who do not have the capability to accurately assess what is really going on in the surrounding world (huge and consequential power-struggles of a transnational and global sort) try to do so they seem, to one degree or other, to cobble together a rather paranoid perspective which has strong 'conspiratorial' elements. It is strange to observe how these paranoid perspectives then get juiced-up with hysterical emotionalism. But it is just that 'emotionalism' which is so prevalent on all sides of the political spectrum.

To confront the present -- even to see it -- involves a true hermeneutical effort.

...and I know something about infectious diseases, their causes, prevention, and morbidity, from the front line as it were.

And I believe you. Except that there is something about the present you are not taking into consideration: mass social-manipulation operations that mirror and reflect the sort of mass-propaganda undertaken by powerful state actors which we were all taught to be aware of, to sniff out, to resist, to oppose.

AJ wrote: "If one has no lever or axis within ideas, and if one is effectively no longer capable of reasoned, ordered thought, and if one is seduced by the 'brutality' I refer to, one cannot any longer act as a sovereign, creative individual. In this sense the Spirit is thwarted."

This is what I notice, or one of the things I notice about the present. The loss of the capacity to think well and to reason carefully is, in my view, essentially a spiritual disease. When one falls down from that one falls into a 'brutal' state. Part of brutality (as I'd define it) is thralldom to emotional impulses -- hysteria. And the hysteric (we know this from those movements that arose in the early 20th century) is the most manipulatable man.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:32 pm

One is protecting oneself modestly

I don't think the jab even does that.

But: I'm not goin' down this road again, and I'm sorry I brought it up. I shoulda poked at dub in some other way.

I spent a good chunk of my time, for roughly two years, in-forum, on beer virus and the associated (orchestrated) hysteria and it netted me diddly.

My position today: anyone who wants to mask up, lock down, and accept the jab ought do that.

Me: I haven't and I won't.

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:31 am With Henry I can understand the response but you surprise me! I always thought you had the ability to analyze even if I don't agree on some of your major assumptions; I still respected them. All the songs played in the Nazi period except for one existed long before the Nazis arrived. They were just regular folk songs.

I am unable to understand what you are actually talking about. What is the connection between the first and second sentence and the third sentence?

What is it in your view that requires 'correct analysis'? How one views mass vaccination?

What do Nazi era popular songs have to do with any of this? (And what is the one song that you refer to?)

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:33 pm But: I'm not goin' down this road again, and I'm sorry I brought it up. I shoulda poked at dub in some other way.

C'mon man. Not only did you 'bring it up' you thoroughly invested in it. And now you want to back out?