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Haven't got a clue, have you! If you did have, you'd be more than happy to point it out! No wonder you and IC get along so well. You both have so much in common character wise.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:14 amI think I'll let the minor mystery stand. A small puzzle for you, the guy who'd boxcar the un-jabbed to the camps, from me, the guy who'd shoot you if you tried.
Ah, flattery will get you nowhere.Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:23 amHaven't got a clue, have you! If you did have, you'd be more than happy to point it out! No wonder you and IC get along so well. You both have so much in common character wise.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:14 amI think I'll let the minor mystery stand. A small puzzle for you, the guy who'd boxcar the un-jabbed to the camps, from me, the guy who'd shoot you if you tried.
I think I'll let the minor mystery stand.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 4:21 amWhat's that supposed to be? Reverse psychology? Gaslighting?
But here you would have to show a bit of, say, charity and try to understand my position a little better. I have established, if only through one reference, that I place a great deal of emphasis on 'the metaphysical'. The idea that Idea enters our world and transforms the world unlike any other process and certainly those that we think of as natural. The world left to itself -- without the human -- is simply material process and biological process. And as long as humans were just other animals they were just part of the same determined processes. So the emphasis is on intelligence and, to use a Catholic concept, intellectus:Harry Baird wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:02 pmYeah. It's again pretty weak. He prompts other forum members to reveal their intent on this forum, and in this respect implies that his own intent is to have a certain conversation - but when I try to have the conversation with him that he appears to claim to want, I get merely the response that I indicated above ("Do your own work").
So again the idea, the notion, or the metaphor if you wish, of something ineffable that 'incarnates' into our selves and into our world. However it is always asserted that what is received 'from above' -- for example this is how the Rishis understood Vedic revelation as literally the incarnation of higher vibrations and a divine 'word' -- demands response. Obviously, this is expressed in the Christian traditions as a decision to change the way one thinks and lives. That is to say that those early Christians understood that becoming a Christian meant, literally, taking curative medicines. Submitting to a supervised process in which one consciously sacrificed the 'lower element' in order to attain and hold onto the 'higher element'. To become a catechumen was a serious affair. The process of 'conversion' took place over years.The faculty of thought. As understood in Catholic philosophical literature it signifies the higher, spiritual, cognitive power of the soul. It is in this view awakened to action by sense, but transcends the latter in range. Amongst its functions are attention, conception, judgment, reasoning, reflection, and self-consciousness. All these modes of activity exhibit a distinctly suprasensuous element, and reveal a cognitive faculty of a higher order than is required for mere sense-cognitions. In harmony, therefore, with Catholic usage, we reserve the terms intellect, intelligence, and intellectual to this higher power and its operations, although many modern psychologists are wont, with much resulting confusion, to extend the application of these terms so as to include sensuous forms of the cognitive process. By thus restricting the use of these terms, the inaccuracy of such phrases as "animal intelligence" is avoided. Before such language may be legitimately employed, it should be shown that the lower animals are endowed with genuinely rational faculties, fundamentally one in kind with those of man. Catholic philosophers, however they differ on minor points, as a general body have held that intellect is a spiritual faculty depending extrinsically, but not intrinsically, on the bodily organism. The importance of a right theory of intellect is twofold: on account of its bearing on epistemology, or the doctrine of knowledge; and because of its connexion with the question of the spirituality of the soul.
Does Polly want a cracker?Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:18 amI think I'll let the minor mystery stand.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 4:21 amWhat's that supposed to be? Reverse psychology? Gaslighting?
That is a sentence from Mysticism by Inge that got me thinking about another crucial element in Christianity which I'd say needs to be seen and better understood. And that is that the idea of a 'transforming spirit' (the third person of the Trinity) acts in the present and in history in creative, and progressive, ways. If the Earth is understood as 'the devil's domain' and if something understood as coming from above and outside incarnates:"The feeling of the contrast between what ought to be and what is, is one of the deepest springs of faith in the unseen."
[Note that I take this as a universal idea and broaden it to a metaphysical principle operating in all possible worlds.]The Word was made flesh and tabernacled among us, and we have seen His glory.
Well, no matter what was the actual case, at this moment you (and me and all of us) will only and can only approach the issue -- whatever the issue is -- within and through our imaginations. That is, what we think about, what we see. I would not deny that something, somehow, got set in motion and the Apostles carried it forward. But I'd have to say that they also interpreted, adapted, modified and transformed the essential message into a religious and political movement.Harry Baird wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:45 amYou seem to have a unique view in the sense that you seem to see the historical Christ as merely a sort of symbol of "the Word become flesh" rather than as the actual Word become flesh. The interesting questions that come up for me at that point are who the historical Christ actually was (is?) - his spiritual nature, power, authority, and relevance - and what the actual Word "looks like" - if not the historical Jesus Christ - when it Incarnates. But that's just me with my kind of literal and dogged mind. They may not be of concern to anybody else, and I doubt that they are of concern to you, or, at least, not the first.
Is a way to try to get to the heart of the matter.quintessence
Ancient and Medieval Philosophy. the fifth essence, of which the heavenly bodies were thought to be made, distinguished from the four elements of fire, air, water, and earth; hence, the most pure essence or most perfect embodiment of a thing or being.
Brilliant response but...henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:18 pmDoes Polly want a cracker?Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:18 amI think I'll let the minor mystery stand.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 4:21 am
What's that supposed to be? Reverse psychology? Gaslighting?
Well, here I am...
I love you too, you lil nazi.Dubious wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:29 pmBrilliant response but...
as far as your wit is concerned I'd remove the W from wit and add SH to the left of IT!
You don't have enough brains left to be pathetic.
Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein
und das heißt: Erika!
On the heath there blooms a flower
Yep, there's dub and all the other beer virus fearin' goose-steppers.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:46 pm It was not easy … but I found the vid that ties the two themes together!
...and here I thought you didn't like Nazis. What a mistake-a to make-a!henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:23 pmI love you too, you lil nazi.
