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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm 3) Identity. You are a wondrous example of a man who has lost his cultural and civilizational identity. To define identity requires a intellectual platform in ideas & values. Because you are the spat-out scrag of postmodern wimpishness, a collapsed man who, very probably, could not defend his civilization nor his country, the notion of *strong identity* is foreign to you. And in it lurks a sense of danger. I refer to Jonathan Bowden who spoke about A European Grammar of Self-Intolerance. The present dispensation has castrated you. You are either an intellectual weakling or a faggot or some sort of masturbating porn-addict (this is a general reference). To recover, to consolidate, a sense of strong identity is terrifying to you, and indeed it is described as something fascistic, something dark and dangerous. So the Politics of Identity, and very certainly the need for Occidental Caucasian man to rediscover and re-invigorate Identity is something crucial but also feared (cowered away from).

Warmongering. That's generally always the root behind people who want to restore past glory. When our civilization is attacked, we'll defend ourselves. Until then, beating up on other countries because they won't bend to the desires of those in charge isn't "defense." Most people just want to live peaceful lives. It's generally the power elite who want soldiers, soldiers to go fight their wars for them. I'm not here necessarily suggesting that you are a member of the power elite. There is the possibility that you are merely a misguided tool advocating for their purposes.

Spengler, eh. How strange that he wrote during the heyday of European colonialism. Hardley, "decline" in the traditional sense, more like greed and overreach. Of course, he became a herald for Nazi paranoia.

You ought to read Chomsky's book, "Necessary Illusions". The title is based on a term coined by Reinhold Niebuhr. Niebuhr believed that ordinary people need to believe in "illusions" (a.k.a. lies) to do the "right" thing. Or more accurately to do what he and his ilk wanted of them. He was a "theologian" no less.

Lies, lies, lies. How else to manipulate and motivate the populace to do what we ought not do.

Naturally, Gary misinterprets as his intellectual interpretive act. It is mostly projection though.

All self-affirmation is regarded as suspect, right out of the gate.

As I said Bowden covers this in his essay on the grammar of self-intolerance.

Note the resurfacing of the *Nazi* trope. Ever useful.

There is the possibility that you are merely a misguided tool advocating for their purposes.

I advocate for the possibility that you have your head up your ass -- at least in terms of understanding the ideas presented.

Next!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 5:57 pm Naturally, Gary misinterprets as his intellectual interpretive act. It is mostly projection though.

All self-affirmation is regarded as suspect, right out of the gate.

As I said Bowden covers this in his essay on the grammar of self-intolerance.

Note the resurfacing of the *Nazi* trope. Ever useful.

"Self-intolerance", is that a fancy name for having a conscience?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:01 pm Next!

No. We're not on "next". We're on exposing you for the danger that you pose.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 5:19 pm

I do not have any other option available to me except to transmute your-plural mire into something positively actionable.

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

trans·mute (trăns-myo͞ot′, trănz-)

To change from one form, nature, substance, or state into another; transform: Alchemists tried to transmute lead into gold. See Synonyms at convert.

[Middle English transmuten, from Latin trānsmūtāre : trāns-, trans- + mūtāre, to change; see mei- in Indo-European roots.]

I understood that part, but what does to transmute my mire into something positively actionable mean?

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:07 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 5:19 pm

I do not have any other option available to me except to transmute your-plural mire into something positively actionable.

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

trans·mute (trăns-myo͞ot′, trănz-)

To change from one form, nature, substance, or state into another; transform: Alchemists tried to transmute lead into gold. See Synonyms at convert.

[Middle English transmuten, from Latin trānsmūtāre : trāns-, trans- + mūtāre, to change; see mei- in Indo-European roots.]

I understood that part, but what does to transmute my mire into something positively actionable mean?

It means turning you into someone who would "defend" his country even if it weren't being attacked.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:02 pm v. trans·mut·ed, trans·mut·ing, trans·mutes
v.tr.

The whole mob, in a moral fever, is going to set me straight!

Man, I didn’t bargain for this!

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:07 pm I understood that part, but what does to transmute my mire into something positively actionable mean?

Any ideological position, say about social conduct and ethics, involves ideas or aspirations that in relation to one can take action.

If the project is, for example, renovation of the corrupted self, then some remedial choices will be taken. That means “action”. (But ceasing to act in some area can also be seen as action, if you get my point).

Those people today (in politics, in social affairs) who propose remediation do so in relation to actionable ideas.

Clear now?

(Gary has careened into territories of projection and cannot be stopped now.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:18 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:02 pm v. trans·mut·ed, trans·mut·ing, trans·mutes
v.tr.

The whole mob, in a moral fever, is going to set me straight!

Man, I didn’t bargain for this!

Fair enough. You want to be superior, be superior.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 5:26 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm 3) Identity. You are a wondrous example of a man who has lost his cultural and civilizational identity. To define identity requires a intellectual platform in ideas & values. Because you are the spat-out scrag of postmodern wimpishness, a collapsed man who, very probably, could not defend his civilization nor his country, the notion of *strong identity* is foreign to you. And in it lurks a sense of danger. I refer to Jonathan Bowden who spoke about A European Grammar of Self-Intolerance. The present dispensation has castrated you. You are either an intellectual weakling or a faggot or some sort of masturbating porn-addict (this is a general reference). To recover, to consolidate, a sense of strong identity is terrifying to you, and indeed it is described as something fascistic, something dark and dangerous. So the Politics of Identity, and very certainly the need for Occidental Caucasian man to rediscover and re-invigorate Identity is something crucial but also feared (cowered away from).

Warmongering.

It's not about war, it's about blood and soil. He's equating masculinity with sacrifice for the greater good of the one race, one folk, and all that shit.

In this context more rational, less irrational. More sober or grounded, less emotionally moved (as you seem to be).

There is nothing unethical in any of the 4 topics I presented. But you •hear• in them grave evils and like Flash resort to the Nazi trope.

I suggest this is programming more than sound, considered thought.

Flash concords:

It's not about war, it's about blood and soil. He's equating masculinity with sacrifice for the greater good of the one race, one folk, and all that shit.

Self-identity, self-definition = evil Nazism.

Once the Nazi accusation is brought out, it is not backed down from. It is untiringly useful to block coherent discussion.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:37 pm In this context more rational, less irrational. More sober or grounded, less emotionally moved (as you seem to be).

There is nothing unethical in any of the 4 topics I presented. But you •hear• in them grave evils and like Flash resort to the Nazi trope.

I suggest this is programming more than sound, considered thought.

Flash concords:

It's not about war, it's about blood and soil. He's equating masculinity with sacrifice for the greater good of the one race, one folk, and all that shit.

Self-identity, self-definition = evil Nazism.

Is there such a thing as "good" Nazism?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:37 pm
Self-identity, self-definition...

"Self" identity is a misnomer. We seem to be pawns in your game of metaphysical naming. We can be witches or elves or trolls or goblins or something and you can be the saint coming to the rescue by purging the world of our diseases.