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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 3:13 am

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 1:57 am well said, AJ, and u didn't post a wall of words to say it. I'm proud of u.

Tomorrow’s another day. I’ll do better.

..threads like these are just groundhog day. (same shit, another day - nobody convincing NE 1 of NE fing)

Unlike my Divine Etymology thread where every atheist thus far is stumped.

I might have to start baptising them!!

Or, get them onto www.boonyism.com as a religion.

It is much less about convincing another person as it is about trying to get to accurate descriptions about what is going on. This present issue — involving an exposure of the ruling elites in Israel to an examination of their policies and activities — is very much connected to questions about “who rules us?” and who controls how narratives and policies are decided, and how they have been decided for these last 30+ years of war.

My own view — I have no idea how I could prove it — is that there is a connection between social, economic and psychological decline in the US, and these 30+ years of war.

So I would stress a wide interconnectivity between events that might seem disconnected.

Maybe it is unfair to pound so mercilessly on Immanuel Can, but it cannot be helped nor should it be avoided. He embodies here fanatical religious projection and perceptual diseases of the mind.

We must confront this because we too are susceptible especially when we deny susceptibility.

Though belovèd IC is intellectually and constitutionally incapable of self-examination yet we can see him.

The difficult part is seeing our own blind spots.

Now here are two Muslim men — the one on the right is quite an accomplished scholar — critiquing the very very strange (but core) Jewish belief about Jewry’s Eternal Enemy, Amalek.

Those two men are still within the larger belief system as zealots-of-sorts, but their analysis is interesting and helpful.

Palestinians as Amalek

If one sees only black and white problems, then one will only find black and white solutions.

@IC: How did Arabs end up living there?

If there is so much slaughter going on by the IDF on Gazans, then why do Hamas supporters feel the need to keep posting obvious AI images like this? Surely with an actual genocide then there would be plenty of actual images and videos to post online. What do you think of those out of proportion legs floating in mid-air, sculptor? What happened to your sceptic's hat, if you ever had one?


There is an AI genocide happening now in Gaza. Appropriate I suppose. Fake humans. Fake genocide. Courtesy of the internet.

I like the barn owl sitting in the cart. he's like 'can somebody please get another cart. I have an appointment to make and can't be bothered with this nonsense'.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 6:49 pm I like the barn owl sitting in the cart. he's like 'can somebody please get another cart. I have an appointment to make and can't be bothered with this nonsense'.


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You didn't notice the hand between the floating legs?

No point in having a sceptic's hat anyway, if you have no interest in whether or not something is true.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:48 pm @IC: How did Arabs end up living there?

Living where? In Israel?

There have always been some Arabic tribes living in the region, all the way back to the days of Abraham, at the least. Likewise, since Abraham at the latest, there have always been some Hebrews, as well. Jews trace their claim to the region as a homeland back to Abraham. Muslims trace their claim to it as sacred back only as far as Mohammed, which was several centuries later.

An interesting thing about Arabs who advocate for the Palestinians today, and about those who support the same, as told by Douglas Murray: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaIaL93mAos

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:04 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:48 pm @IC: How did Arabs end up living there?

Living where? In Israel?

There have always been some Arabic tribes living in the region, all the way back to the days of Abraham, at the least. Likewise, since Abraham at the latest, there have always been some Hebrews, as well. Jews trace their claim to the region as a homeland back to Abraham. Muslims trace their claim to it as sacred back only as far as Mohammed, which was several centuries later.

So the land does belong to both according to what you said. Is that correct?

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:16 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:04 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:48 pm @IC: How did Arabs end up living there?

Living where? In Israel?

There have always been some Arabic tribes living in the region, all the way back to the days of Abraham, at the least. Likewise, since Abraham at the latest, there have always been some Hebrews, as well. Jews trace their claim to the region as a homeland back to Abraham. Muslims trace their claim to it as sacred back only as far as Mohammed, which was several centuries later.

So the land does belong to both according to what you said. Is that correct?

No, it's isn't. It belongs to the children of Abraham and Sarah, as specifically deeded to them by the One who made the land in the first place.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:32 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:16 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:04 pm
Living where? In Israel?

There have always been some Arabic tribes living in the region, all the way back to the days of Abraham, at the least. Likewise, since Abraham at the latest, there have always been some Hebrews, as well. Jews trace their claim to the region as a homeland back to Abraham. Muslims trace their claim to it as sacred back only as far as Mohammed, which was several centuries later.

So the land does belong to both according to what you said. Is that correct?

No, it's isn't. It belongs to the children of Abraham and Sarah, as specifically deeded to them by the One who made the land in the first place.

And you were doing so well. Then you had to go and bring superstitious claptrap into it. Israel is Israel because it's Israel. Anyone who says it has no right to exist needs to be saying the same thing about every country on the planet. Bringing mystical claims into the equation only weakens your position. You have facts, logic, reason and everything else on your side. You don't need superstition.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:32 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:16 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:04 pm
Living where? In Israel?

There have always been some Arabic tribes living in the region, all the way back to the days of Abraham, at the least. Likewise, since Abraham at the latest, there have always been some Hebrews, as well. Jews trace their claim to the region as a homeland back to Abraham. Muslims trace their claim to it as sacred back only as far as Mohammed, which was several centuries later.

So the land does belong to both according to what you said. Is that correct?

No, it's isn't. It belongs to the children of Abraham and Sarah, as specifically deeded to them by the One who made the land in the first place.

Oh, come on! So God gave the right to the children Abraham and Sarah? So Arabic tribes have no right there but Hebrews. Is that correct?

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:54 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:32 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:16 pm
So the land does belong to both according to what you said. Is that correct?

No, it's isn't. It belongs to the children of Abraham and Sarah, as specifically deeded to them by the One who made the land in the first place.

Oh, come on! So God gave the right to the children Abraham and Sarah? So Arabic tribes have no right there but Hebrews. Is that correct?

Where do you live?