Philosophy Now Forum

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 2:35 pm Refles, Greta has voluntarily taken on the responsibilty for waking you up.

What are YOU trying to do for people, Nick???

WAKE THEM UP?????????

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 2:33 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 1:40 pm She believes she is an artist. This is only because she doesn't know what art is and cannot differentiate between art and expression.

Greta IS an artist... and she makes excellent points and asks good questions!

YOU, Nick, cannot distinguish anything that does not match up exactly to your well-worn groove of limited awareness.

And REFLEX refuses to answer the hard questions that call his comments into question. It's cowardly and dishonest... but he seems fine with that.

Honestly, if either of you two guys were honorable about these discussions, you would SEE TRUTH on MANY SIDES, NOT just in your little corners. You refuse to look at your foolish claims from ALL SIDES because you KNOW (on some level), you cannot defend all sides! So you put up a front, and try to pretend that no one can see your bum hanging out on the backside. Oh we see it!!! It's just too bad that you can't take a step forward into broader truths for your own sake -- that would make you more of a "winner" than the illusion of being one which you're trying to protect.

Either you want to believe you are right = avoid answering questions that might show otherwise

Or ultimately, you want to understand broader truth = willing to see and acknowledge truth beyond your current position

I think that TRUE PHILOSOPHY KEEPS SEARCHING AND EXPANDING ALWAYS!!! Your unwavering stance and avoidance in response to thought-provoking examination is a dance of the ego, and belongs on some sort of social chat site.

If you are open to even theoretically how Plato distinguished between knowledge and opinion, you may come to appreciate the purpose of philosophy.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 2:41 pm If you are open to even theoretically how Plato distinguished between knowledge and opinion, you may come to appreciate the purpose of philosophy.

As I think you recently said elsewhere, there's a difference between saying something and understanding it. And there's a difference between quoting things and actually doing them. Your own words and behavior demonstrate your inability to distinguish your opinion from knowledge... as well as truth from illusion. So perhaps you need to study it some more.

Do you still study anything, Nick... or do you just polish your platform?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 3:01 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 2:41 pm If you are open to even theoretically how Plato distinguished between knowledge and opinion, you may come to appreciate the purpose of philosophy.

As I think you recently said elsewhere, there's a difference between saying something and understanding it. And there's a difference between quoting things and actually doing them. Your own words and behavior demonstrate your inability to distinguish your opinion from knowledge... as well as truth from illusion. So perhaps you need to study it some more.

Do you still study anything, Nick... or do you just polish your platform?

Let's make a deal. Explain to me the relationship and difference between what Plato defined as knowledge and opinion and I'll tell you how I try to deal with it.

Greta wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 2:08 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 12:17 amShould I enter this debate?

I can't speak for you but I am personally regretting the thread because it just gave Nick another excuse to attack me. In fact, my entire participation on the forum is feeling that way.

I think that is the idea. I banned him from a forum so now he is driving me away from this one as payback.

It seems illogical to stay here and give this lying narcissist endless free hits to attack me daily. Further, his poor character - the nonstop lying and misrepresentation - brings out the worst in me, which is not the direction I want to go. I am inclined to give Nick this victory and just go as there is no safe space for me here. All the fighting and hostility is not worth it. It's not worth anything at all, just a waste of life.

So good luck with it if you choose to dive in but I personally see this thread as trolled and ruined.

Cheers.

Nonsense, you can't leave because you are one of the few women philosophers I can hold a conversation with...I don't know if that is a compliment or insult so just take it for what it is...

Nick quoted Simone Weil:

"...It is not for man to seek, or even to believe in God. He has only to refuse to believe in everything that is not God.

What makes Nick think that what he calls "secularism" is not of God? Those whom he derides as "secularists" are as knowledgeable about God as anyone else. Nick apparently cannot doubt his own convictions. A man who has complete faith in his own version of truth is an idolater. A man who has complete faith in Simone Weil's ,or any other person's, version of truth is an idolater.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 12:53 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 12:17 am

Reflex wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:55 am
LOL! They better hurry. I'm already in my 60's.

Unless they are only kidding, I think Lacewing's and Greta's comments are very telling. I mean, saying "Case closed" in response to "Of course I promote hatred and division" (taken out of context, of course) and Lacewing saying, "Stop pretending that you speak for the Universe," is indicative of a shallowness akin to college students so terrified of discussion that they shut their ears to opposing views and feel compelled to accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being racist, dogmatic, intolerant, hateful, etc. Those kinds of comments have absolutely nothing to with what is actually being discussed; i.e., human nature in general.

Greta said, "Reflex is speaking as though beliefs are a choice." No, I'm not. I'm saying making a genuine effort to correlate one's sentiment and philosophy is a choice (assuming, of course, the person has a philosophy the wherewithal to make the effort).

Greta also said, "Still no explanation of the "higher mind", rather just a rather childish "onward Christian soldiers" theme." This is interesting and somewhat bewildering since Greta knows exactly what it means.

Should I enter this debate?

Do you own boxing gloves? Do you believe Jesus was expressing hatred and division in the above quote in which he said he brings a sword?

Don't need them, I bring a staff of reason to break up fights (or cause them). Listen to tell you the truth Nick, and you will hate me for what I am about to say, you are a really bad Christian.

I get that people have bad days or say things out of anger, make poor arguments, etc. Its a part of life, I get it. But beating people over the head with "Jesus" only proves that you neither really know him or really understand what you are talking about.

"Jesus" brought division, yes, but he also brought reason and healing and discuss things for what they are...you repeat yourself which is fine, but very rarely can elaborate upon it when put to question other than quoting a few obscure sources. This however is not bad. What is bad however is the fact that you seem to be using "Jesus" as a crutch for personal issues you have not resolved and are projecting them on the world. Are the issues you present correct? Yes, but the manner in which you present and argue them does not work because...quite frankly you argue more from emotion than reason. And what do I mean by reason? A simple observation of structure where "A" either causes or correlates with "B".

It does not take a genius to look at all the bad.

In all truth...and this can be viewed as an ad-hominum...I think you and lacewing have a lot of built up sexual tension that needs resolved. You obviously haven't had a woman in a while (and you can't put together you are not missing anything) and lacewing slept with more men than all the women here combined. I think the confusion here has less to do with reason and more with projected sexual dysfunctions of two opposing extremes.

That is my opinion.

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 4:55 pm Nick quoted Simone Weil:

"...It is not for man to seek, or even to believe in God. He has only to refuse to believe in everything that is not God.

What makes Nick think that what he calls "secularism" is not of God? Those whom he derides as "secularists" are as knowledgeable about God as anyone else. Nick apparently cannot doubt his own convictions. A man who has complete faith in his own version of truth is an idolater. A man who has complete faith in Simone Weil's ,or any other person's, version of truth is an idolater.

Secularism has a place in the divine order...alot of various religions observe this whether you look at the history of Catholicism or Islam.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 4:27 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 3:01 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 2:41 pm If you are open to even theoretically how Plato distinguished between knowledge and opinion, you may come to appreciate the purpose of philosophy.

As I think you recently said elsewhere, there's a difference between saying something and understanding it. And there's a difference between quoting things and actually doing them. Your own words and behavior demonstrate your inability to distinguish your opinion from knowledge... as well as truth from illusion. So perhaps you need to study it some more.

Do you still study anything, Nick... or do you just polish your platform?

Let's make a deal. Explain to me the relationship and difference between what Plato defined as knowledge and opinion and I'll tell you how I try to deal with it.

So... not only do you polish your platform and worship that which you align yourself with... but you want other people to perform on your small stage too.

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 4:55 pm What makes Nick think that what he calls "secularism" is not of God?

Yes!!!

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 4:55 pm Those whom he derides as "secularists" are as knowledgeable about God as anyone else.

Beautiful!!!

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 5:03 pm In all truth...and this can be viewed as an ad-hominum...I think you and lacewing have a lot of built up sexual tension that needs resolved. You obviously haven't had a woman in a while (and you can't put together you are not missing anything) and lacewing slept with more men than all the women here combined. I think the confusion here has less to do with reason and more with projected sexual dysfunctions of two opposing extremes.

That is my opinion.

Admittedly, if I was busy having sex, I probably wouldn't have as much time to be on here. But my communication here is genuine and thoughtful, and not due to anything other than the enjoyment/entertainment and reward of exploring beyond boundaries.

Perhaps you are projecting... as your opinion is not knowledge.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 5:15 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 5:03 pm In all truth...and this can be viewed as an ad-hominum...I think you and lacewing have a lot of built up sexual tension that needs resolved. You obviously haven't had a woman in a while (and you can't put together you are not missing anything) and lacewing slept with more men than all the women here combined. I think the confusion here has less to do with reason and more with projected sexual dysfunctions of two opposing extremes.

That is my opinion.

Admittedly, if I was busy having sex, I probably wouldn't have as much time to be on here. But my communication here is genuine and thoughtful, and not due to anything other than the enjoyment/entertainment and reward of exploring beyond boundaries.

Perhaps you are projecting... as your opinion is not knowledge.

Yeah I have too many women, perhaps I am projecting lol... but let's face it for what it is you hit on me (a random stranger) a few months back in a portion of one of the threads after "being out with friends"....I can only imagine what happens in real life when a man is physically present.

Regardless, I think you and Nick should get together considering you both enjoy fighting and f'cking eachother. Online relationships rarely work, but maybe for you two it might...lol.

The point I am making is that the majority of this discussion is devolving because of specific members who need relationship issues worked out. Nick on one hand probably been laid once and is angry because he cannot keep a woman. You, with your history (which I will not bring up again, and is not relegated to the above story), seem to be in the same boat from a different perspective of too many unwanted men and those who would not stay around.

So Nick tries to "penetrate" everything. You try to "let it all in". I think this is a fair assessment on the relational issues behind your opposing perspectives.


Either way I am laughing my ass off...so if both of you have to keep going then have at it...the thread is dead already.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 5:25 pm you hit on me (a random stranger) a few months back in a portion of one of the threads after "being out with friends"....I can only imagine what happens in real life when a man is physically present.

What the fuck are you talking about? I have never hit on you. Did I show some appreciation for something you said, and your ego ejaculated on itself?

You have repeatedly projected your mistaken beliefs about others -- I know, because I've seen what you accuse me of -- which is how I know that you are not only stupid, but shallow.

A man I was just involved with for a few weeks was someone I initially connected with on several levels... and we hadn't got to sex yet.

You're just an ass spewing crazy crap as you always seem to do. Fuck off.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 5:36 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 5:25 pm you hit on me (a random stranger) a few months back in a portion of one of the threads after "being out with friends"....I can only imagine what happens in real life when a man is physically present.

What the fuck are you talking about? I have never hit on you. Did I show some appreciation for something you said, and your ego ejaculated on itself?

You have repeatedly projected your mistaken beliefs about others -- I know, because I've seen what you accuse me of -- which is how I know that you are not only stupid, but shallow.

Yep...super shallow.

A man I was just involved with for a few weeks was someone I initially connected with on several levels... and we hadn't got to sex yet.

Good for you, just make sure it is not Nick...check his e-mails and texts.

You're just an ass spewing crazy crap as you always seem to do. Fuck off.
Yep...batshit crazy...lol

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That's hot! (Forgive me, I'm feeling rowdy after being out with friends. )

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Here's what was turning me on...

"Relativity is a process of negation through a continual flux of particulate which manifests further particulate. These particulate exist if and only if their is relation, however the relation itself is equivalent to "movement". In these respect logistic relativity is equivalent to logistic perpetual movement where definition is in a continual state of flux."

Ha ha ha. Do you know what humor is... or do you think you're the center of everything in the Universe?

A man I was just involved with for a few weeks was someone I initially connected with on several levels... and we hadn't got to sex yet.
Good for you, just make sure it is not Nick...check his e-mails and texts.

I know the guy in person. What are you talking about? Nevermind, don't answer. It doesn't fucking matter because all of your crap is insane.