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Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:30 am if, and WHEN, EVERY one is 'agreeing' on and with 'things', then they can, and WILL BE, 'living' in peace and harmony.

What if we all agree that most other people are stupid and some of them should be killed off, we all agree that we don't want peace and harmony?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:52 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:30 am if, and WHEN, EVERY one is 'agreeing' on and with 'things', then they can, and WILL BE, 'living' in peace and harmony.

What if we all agree that most other people are stupid and some of them should be killed off, we all agree that we don't want peace and harmony?

WHY do 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, sometimes ask the most OBVIOUSLY STUPID, NONSENSICAL, and RIDICULOUS questions?

Are you REALLY STUCK in this type of thinking and seeing 'things' "atla"?

OBVIOUSLY, and OF COURSE, NOT ALL would agree with what you asked here. And, to even ASSUME ALL would or could, is just BEYOND the ABSURD.

By the way, do you even think "yourself" with what you just asked here?

That is;

Do you think (or believe) most other people are stupid and some of them should be killed off? And,

Do you think (or believe) that you do NOT want peace and harmony?

Your Honesty here would be much appreciated.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:04 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:52 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:30 am if, and WHEN, EVERY one is 'agreeing' on and with 'things', then they can, and WILL BE, 'living' in peace and harmony.

What if we all agree that most other people are stupid and some of them should be killed off, we all agree that we don't want peace and harmony?

WHY do 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, sometimes ask the most OBVIOUSLY STUPID, NONSENSICAL, and RIDICULOUS questions?

Are you REALLY STUCK in this type of thinking and seeing 'things' "atla"?

OBVIOUSLY, and OF COURSE, NOT ALL would agree with what you asked here. And, to even ASSUME ALL would or could, is just BEYOND the ABSURD.

By the way, do you even think "yourself" with what you just asked here?

That is;

Do you think (or believe) most other people are stupid and some of them should be killed off? And,

Do you think (or believe) that you do NOT want peace and harmony?

Your Honesty here would be much appreciated.

If you do know that people can't agree on most things, only on a few a things, then what makes you think that agreeing on those few things will bring peace and harmony?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:28 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:04 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:52 am
What if we all agree that most other people are stupid and some of them should be killed off, we all agree that we don't want peace and harmony?

WHY do 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, sometimes ask the most OBVIOUSLY STUPID, NONSENSICAL, and RIDICULOUS questions?

Are you REALLY STUCK in this type of thinking and seeing 'things' "atla"?

OBVIOUSLY, and OF COURSE, NOT ALL would agree with what you asked here. And, to even ASSUME ALL would or could, is just BEYOND the ABSURD.

By the way, do you even think "yourself" with what you just asked here?

That is;

Do you think (or believe) most other people are stupid and some of them should be killed off? And,

Do you think (or believe) that you do NOT want peace and harmony?

Your Honesty here would be much appreciated.

If you do know that people can't agree on most things, only on a few a things, then what makes you think that agreeing on those few things will bring peace and harmony?

WHY do you NOT answer my CLARIFYING questions, but continue to ask me CLARIFYING questions?

Are you REALLY that AFRAID and SCARED to just be Honest here, and CLARIFY?

But to ANSWER and CLARIFY your question here, it is because of those 'things', EXACTLY, that can be agreed upon by ALL which are the very 'things' that is what ACTUALLY leads ALL to creating and living in a Truly peaceful and harmonious 'world', for EVERY one, as One.

The other reason WHY I think that agreeing on those 'things' WILL bring peace and harmony is because this has ALREADY been done and achieved. But just NOT YET for EVERY one of 'you', human beings.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:08 am it is because of those 'things', EXACTLY, that can be agreed upon by ALL which are the very 'things' that is what ACTUALLY leads ALL to creating and living in a Truly peaceful and harmonious 'world', for EVERY one, as One.

The other reason WHY I think that agreeing on those 'things' WILL bring peace and harmony is because this has ALREADY been done and achieved. But just NOT YET for EVERY one of 'you', human beings.

How do you know which 'things' those are? Give us a few examples from the 'things', if you can.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:18 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:08 am it is because of those 'things', EXACTLY, that can be agreed upon by ALL which are the very 'things' that is what ACTUALLY leads ALL to creating and living in a Truly peaceful and harmonious 'world', for EVERY one, as One.

The other reason WHY I think that agreeing on those 'things' WILL bring peace and harmony is because this has ALREADY been done and achieved. But just NOT YET for EVERY one of 'you', human beings.

How do you know which 'things' those are?

BECAUSE of a 'process' I have gone through, ALREADY.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:18 am Give us a few examples from the 'things', if you can.

'you', human beings, do NOT need money to live.

'you', adult human beings, "TEACH" False, Wrong, AND Incorrect 'things' to children, AND, 'you' "TEACH" them as though they are the True, Right, and/or Correct 'things' in Life.

'you', adult human beings, ABUSE children.

'you', adult human beings, ARE Dishonest.

So, when 'you', adult human beings, TURN 'things' AROUND, from what 'you' are doing now, when this is being written, which is what is causing and creating ALL of the 'mess' 'you', human beings, HAVE TO live IN, then 'you' will start 'HEALING' 'the world', and THEN 'you' ALL can START to BEGIN living in peace AND harmony, FOREVER MORE.

All it takes to TURN 'things' AROUND, for the better, is to just be Honest, about ALL the Wrong 'you' ALL do, which you will then become Truly OPEN, which from then you cannot NOT learn, and if you seriously Want to CHANGE for the better, and NOT just CHANGE for 'you', personally, but WANT to CHANGE for "others", then you will FIND OUT WHO and WHY 'you' ARE the way 'you' ARE, then this DOES STOP you from ABUSING children, and THEN children GROW up, consciously, KNOWING what IS Right, from what IS Wrong. Which, in turn, leads to CREATING 'the world' and 'way of life', which we ALL once WANTED and Truly DESIRED to live WITHIN.

And, the BEAUTY of ALL-OF-THIS is that the TURN AROUND only takes a generation or two. This is because this 'way of living' ALIGNS PERFECTLY with out Truly NATURAL WANTS and DESIRES. See, the reason it took millennia to live in the Truly greedy, selfish, abusive, war-torn, stressful, love-of-money and pollution-riddled 'world' is because 'this world' goes AGAINST EVERY 'fiber of our ACTUAL Being', so the TURN AROUND that LEADS to what we ALL Truly WANT and DESIRE, and so which we ALL FOLLOW absolutely VOLUNTARILY anyway is just a very short process, relatively.

EVERY thing I have, and WILL SAY, SHOW and REVEAL, here can NOT be REFUTED. So, are there ANY more CLARIFYING questions you would like to ask here?

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:31 pm 'you', human beings, do NOT need money to live.

'you', adult human beings, "TEACH" False, Wrong, AND Incorrect 'things' to children, AND, 'you' "TEACH" them as though they are the True, Right, and/or Correct 'things' in Life.

'you', adult human beings, ABUSE children.

'you', adult human beings, ARE Dishonest.

None of these are absolutely true, except maybe the first one although debatable, so why do you think that people will agree on them? And even if they would agree, why would that change their behaviour? Many people like being rotten, they prefer exploiting others over living in harmony, or are just plain incapable of changing for the better. That's the "actual truth" of why the world has been like this for millennia, you just don't see the "actual truth" because you are psychologically almost completely blind.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:49 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:31 pm 'you', human beings, do NOT need money to live.

'you', adult human beings, "TEACH" False, Wrong, AND Incorrect 'things' to children, AND, 'you' "TEACH" them as though they are the True, Right, and/or Correct 'things' in Life.

'you', adult human beings, ABUSE children.

'you', adult human beings, ARE Dishonest.

None of these are absolutely true,

1. Can ANY thing be 'absolutely true', to you? (Your Honesty here would be MUCH APPRECIATED, AGAIN).

2. How do you KNOW that these are NOT absolutely true?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:49 pm except maybe the first one although debatable,

What is there to 'debate'?

Name one adult human being who has 'taught' ONLY what is IRREFUTABLY True, Right, AND Correct?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:49 pm so why do you think that people will agree on them?

Because NONE of 'you' could REFUTE them.

And, if you think or BELIEVE you CAN, then go ahead and TRY TO.

By the way, WHY do you THINK NONE of them are 'absolutely true'?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:49 pm And even if they would agree, why would that change their behaviour?

Even if you NEVER answer ANY of my CLARIFYING questions, which you NEVER REALLY DO, will show us that you are BRAVE enough to answer this one; Are you OPEN to the Fact that what I am CLAIMING here could be true?

Now, WHEN 'you', adult human beings, LEARN FULLY WHY 'you' have ALL turned out to be GREEDY, SELFISH, CHILD ABUSING LIARS, then, if you REALLY do have children's 'best interest at heart', which is what most of you CLAIM is true, then you WILL CHANGE your behavior. So, that is WHY. And, t REALLY is that SIMPLE.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:49 pm Many people like being rotten, they prefer exploiting others over living in harmony, or are just plain incapable of changing for the better.

And, could 'you' be a PRIME EXAMPLE of this behavior "atla"?

Or, are 'you' just ANOTHER one of the GOOD ones "atla"? Which is what ALL of 'you' seem to BELIEVE (and say?) 'you' ARE?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:49 pm That's the "actual truth"

I KNOW. I can CLEARLY SEE just how much 'you' like, 'being rotten', how much 'you' like, 'exploiting others', and just how much 'you' APPEAR to be 'just plain incapable of CHANGING for the better. Most of 'you', adult human beings, have been like this now for centuries, and just about EVERY one of 'you' IS, in the days when this was being written. And, to me, 'you' are A PRIME EXAMPLE of this behavior "atla". So, I have NEVER disagreed with what you say here.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:49 pm of why the world has been like this for millennia, you just don't see the "actual truth" because you are psychologically almost completely blind.

LOL
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I SEE and KNOW WHY ALL of 'you', adults, ARE MISBEHAVING. And, I ALSO KNOW HOW to Right the Wrong.

But, as you SUBCONSCIOUSLY ADMITTED to "atla", 'you', now, like 'being rotten', prefer 'exploiting others over living in harmony', and come across as 'just plain INCAPABLE of CHANGING for the better', which means that 'you' and 'your generation' will either be the LAST ones left on earth before you wipe "yourselves" out completely to extinction, OR, there will be a LIFE CHANGING EVENT, which means that 'you' WILL BE the last AND first 'generation' who ACTUALLY CHANGED, for the better, which IN TURN WILL be the beginning of the CREATION of a MUCH BETTER 'life' and 'world', FOR EVERY one.

I KNOW what is about to happen. But you WILL just have to WAIT and SEE, correct?

By the way, I have ALREADY SEEN the reason WHY ALL of 'you', adult human beings, have ENDED UP the way 'you' ALL ARE, when this was being written, so this MEANS I ALSO KNOW what the CURE IS, which will PREVENT ALL future children, ENDING UP the SAME WAY 'you', adults, ARE, when this is being written.

SEE, NONE of 'you' once 'liked being rotten', 'preferred exploiting others over living in harmony, NOR were 'just plain INCAPABLE of CHANGING for the better', in fact ALL of 'you' used to be and 'liked being good', 'preferred to live in peace and harmony over exploiting others', AND were 'TOTALLY CAPABLE of CHANGE', AND, those 'things' actually STILL REMAIN deep within 'you'. Learning how to draw them out, properly and correctly, just takes a bit of time.

Mystical, coat-trailing blather about what humans really are and what we really need - supposed facts about human nature which, once we know them, will solve all our problems, because we'll know the moral facts - always turns out to be yet more of the snake-oil peddled by self-proclaimed prophets and gurus from time immemorial.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:23 amOR, there will be a LIFE CHANGING EVENT, which means that 'you' WILL BE the last AND first 'generation' who ACTUALLY CHANGED, for the better, which IN TURN WILL be the beginning of the CREATION of a MUCH BETTER 'life' and 'world', FOR EVERY one.

I KNOW what is about to happen. But you WILL just have to WAIT and SEE, correct?

Ok, so a life changing event is coming, that will fix everything. How do you know the future so well?

in fact ALL of 'you' used to be and 'liked being good', 'preferred to live in peace and harmony over exploiting others'

Not according to recorded history. And if this was before recorded history, then how do you know the distant past so well?

Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:26 pm Mystical, coat-trailing blather about what humans really are and what we really need - supposed facts about human nature which, once we know them, will solve all our problems, because we'll know the moral facts - always turns out to be yet more of the snake-oil peddled by self-proclaimed prophets and gurus for time immemorial.

What's weird is that Age genuinely seems to think the she's the first person ever to come up with these realizations. How does someone not notice the millions of other "chosen ones" who are all preaching some variation on the same theme?

Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:26 pm Mystical, coat-trailing blather about what humans really are and what we really need - supposed facts about human nature which, once we know them, will solve all our problems, because we'll know the moral facts - always turns out to be yet more of the snake-oil peddled by self-proclaimed prophets and gurus from time immemorial.

LOL

Take about a PRIME EXAMPLE of NOT WANTING to LOOK AT 'things', and instead just KEEP HOLDING ONTO the BELIEFS that one ALREADY HAS.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:21 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:23 amOR, there will be a LIFE CHANGING EVENT, which means that 'you' WILL BE the last AND first 'generation' who ACTUALLY CHANGED, for the better, which IN TURN WILL be the beginning of the CREATION of a MUCH BETTER 'life' and 'world', FOR EVERY one.

I KNOW what is about to happen. But you WILL just have to WAIT and SEE, correct?

Ok, so a life changing event is coming, that will fix everything. How do you know the future so well?

Because I ALREADY KNOW what WORKS, WILL BENEFIT EVERY one, and because of HOW MUCH 'it' IS Truly WANTED.

I ALSO KNOW HOW MUCH a LOT of 'you' will 'try to' FIGHT AGAINST 'it', BUT thee Truth ALWAYS comes OUT, 'in the end'.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:21 pm

in fact ALL of 'you' used to be and 'liked being good', 'preferred to live in peace and harmony over exploiting others'

Not according to recorded history.

LOL
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'you' are SO BLINDED by YOUR OWN BELIEFS can 'you' NOT even just STOP and LOOK and CLARIFY, BEFORE 'you' JUMP to ASSUMPTIONS and CONCLUSIONS.

'you', ONCE MORE, VERY CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY are NOT comprehending NOR understanding absolutely ANY thing in regards to what I am ACTUALLY SAYING and MEANING.

Now, WHOSE FAULT is 'this'?

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:21 pm And if this was before recorded history, then how do you know the distant past so well?

WHY did 'you' go OFF ANOTHER completely Wrong 'tangent', ONCE AGAIN?

'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, REALLY did NEED to CHANGE the WAY 'you' LOOK AT and SEE 'things'.

WHEN 'you' DO, then 'you' can START to SEE what thee ACTUAL of 'things' IS, EXACTLY.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:02 pm

Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:26 pm Mystical, coat-trailing blather about what humans really are and what we really need - supposed facts about human nature which, once we know them, will solve all our problems, because we'll know the moral facts - always turns out to be yet more of the snake-oil peddled by self-proclaimed prophets and gurus for time immemorial.

What's weird is that Age genuinely seems to think the she's the first person ever to come up with these realizations.

What is even WEIRDER is that 'you', "atla", came up with this ASSUMPTION, which you ACTUALLY BELIEVE is UNDENIABLY TRUE, but which could NOT be ANY FURTHER from thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.

Which makes OBSERVING what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING and OCCURRING here all the MORE FUNNIER.

IF ANY one of 'you', human beings, WANTS TO CHALLENGE 'Me', then PLEASE go on AHEAD.

But just saying things like; "these realizations", but NEVER even being even ABLE to CLARIFYING what these ACCUSATIONS refer to EXACTLY, just SHOWS and PROVE the absolute INCOMPETENCE of 'you', human beings.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:21 pm How does someone not notice the millions of other "chosen ones" who are all preaching some variation on the same theme?

What IS 'the same theme'? And,

What ARE some of 'the variations'?

Until they are BROUGHT FORWARD absolutely NO one KNOWS, FOR SURE, what 'you', "atla", are ALLUDING to.

SEE, what 'you' are continually DOING is NEVER BRINGING FORWARD the ACTUAL 'accusation' TO LIGHT so that 'it' can be LOOKED AT FULLY, and 'argued' AGAINST. 'you' do this purposely, although probably unconsciously, because 'you' are a Truly COWARD human being, that IF 'you' DID bring 'them' to LIGHT, FULLY, then 'you' could be PROVEN Wrong, ONCE AGAIN.

It is SO EASY for Truly WEAK and SCARED people to CLAIM things like; " She or he did 'this' or 'that' ", BUT NEVER ACTUALLY SAY what the 'this' NOR 'that' IS, EXACTLY.

Just MAYBE the reason WHY there are people EXPRESSING the SAME 'theme' is BECAUSE it WILL be this 'theme' that EVENTUALLY evolves INTO BEING?

By the way, there is A 'theme', which is COMING INTO FRUITION, NO MATTER HOW MUCH some of 'you', adult human beings, REALLY HATE 'this'.

Making the concepts manifest in the outer world as objects, in the form of structures, institutions, and systems.